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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:08 AM

I love how all these people are jumping onto this like crazy.

This kind of stuff has been happening for many years, and a lot of other horrible atrocities like this happen every day. You just don't see it on TV.

I bet in a week 95% of the people posting this stuff will forget about it.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:24 AM

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:37 AM

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:28 AM

As much as the idea of the campaign is certainly great, I'm sure many of you would quickly think otherwise given Invisible Children's sketchy history.

http://en.wikipedia....dren#Criticisms

Great cause, but nothing will ever change. Invisible Children nets huge assets just by oversimplifying an extremely complicated situation in Uganda. Not to mention that by supporting this organization, you would be supporting an organization that advocates direct military intervention. I think we all know how that ended up last time.

Oh yeah, and foreign aid has drastically ruined the Ugandan economy in recent years:

http://www.worldpres...Africa/2074.cfm

I'm seeing a lot of misguided people here just jumping into something they don't really know about.


Thanks for this. Saves me the effort.

It used to be said there was a sucker born every minute.

Now it's a million suckers born every second.

What's sad is that so many of the people in this thread rely on social media (IE superficial sound bites) for their weirdly views.

I betting most couldn't even have answered the following question :who is the leader of the lords resistance army?" a week ago. Or even could pick out Uganda off a map.

Of course it's good that people know his name but pllleease. Acting as if you have some knowledge about the situation beyond someone's name? Lol

Sadly we have a society of e-warriors who haven't yet learnt that everything you read is not necessarily true or that the written word is now so footloose and fancy.

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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.

Logic at its finest.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:31 AM

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View Postnhlconspiracy, on 21 April 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.

Logic at its finest.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 03:57 AM

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:05 AM

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This Kony thing is retarded.

1. The video over simplifies the situation and calls for military intervention without addressing larger issues such as government corruption, excess in foreign aid, and lack of basic human necessities. Westerns love a villain to hate on.

2. It turns a very serious matter into an internet fad. Half of my friends can't tell the difference between Joseph Kony and Carl Weather and I doubt any of them will remember this next year.

3. Awareness? Government pressure? If the US already have military advisers on the ground in Uganda, I'm willing to bet that Obama already has very clear plans.

4. I'm sick of people feeling that we have the right to walk into a foreign nation and somehow liberate them. This is white man's burden 2.0 and does little to encourage stability in the long run.

Slactivism is one of the worst things to come out of online social networks. Give this a read: http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/, he words it much better than I did.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:54 AM

For an interesting supplement one should watch machine gunpreacher, with gerard butler. Its about a badass biker who finds god and goes to africa to build an orphanage, but ends up having to Protect th e kids from konys lra army. And its based on the true story of sam childers.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 01:48 PM

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:14 PM

For an interesting supplement one should watch machine gunpreacher, with gerard butler. Its about a badass biker who finds god and goes to africa to build an orphanage, but ends up having to Protect th e kids from konys lra army. And its based on the true story of sam childers.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:22 PM

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 05:33 PM

KONY 2012 responds to the critiques present here and elsewhere.


CRITIQUES

Thank you for reading this and doing further research about Invisible Children (IC) and KONY 2012. In response to this explosion of interest about the KONY 2012 film, there have been hundreds of thousands of comments in support of the arrest of Joseph Kony and the work of Invisible Children. However, there have also been pieces written that are putting out false or misleading information about these efforts.

This statement is our official response to some of these articles and is a source for accurate information about Invisible Children's mission, financials and approach to stopping LRA violence.

Invisible Children's mission is to stop LRA violence and support the war-affected communities in East and Central Africa. These are the three ways we achieve this mission; each is essential:
  • 1) Make the world aware of the LRA. This includes making documentary films and touring them around the world so that they are seen for free by millions of people.
  • 2) Channel energy from viewers of IC films into large-scale advocacy campaigns to stop the LRA and protect civilians.
  • 3) Operate programs on the ground in LRA-affected areas that provide protection, rehabilitation and development assistance.

As you will see, we spend roughly one third of our money on each of these three goals. This three-prong approach is what makes Invisible Children unique. Some organizations focus exclusively on documenting human rights abuses, some focus exclusively on international advocacy or awareness, and some focus exclusively on on-the-ground development. We do all three. At the same time. This comprehensive model is intentional and has proven to be very effective.

We are committed, and always have been, to be 100% financially transparent and to communicate in plain language the mission of the organization so that everyone can make an informed decision about whether they want to support our strategy.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:06 PM

KONY 2012 responds to the critiques present here and elsewhere.


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  • 1) Make the world aware of the LRA. This includes making documentary films and touring them around the world so that they are seen for free by millions of people.
  • 2) Channel energy from viewers of IC films into large-scale advocacy campaigns to stop the LRA and protect civilians.
  • 3) Operate programs on the ground in LRA-affected areas that provide protection, rehabilitation and development assistance.


Do you realize how vague each of those goals are?

I'll give them point #1, because getting people aware is cheap and easy. Then what?

This group advocates lobbying governments to install a military presence in Uganda. Let's ignore the massive amounts of potential backlash from this and say they succeed in taking out Kony. This does little to address the crushing poverty and government corruption in the region. Instability in Africa is not the result of some crazed thug, it's because the people who live there are unable to support themselves.

This campaign takes away focus from the real issue. If you want to support a real cause, donate to Doctors Without Borders instead of liking a video on Facebook.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:09 PM

Do you realize how vague each of those goals are?

I'll give them point #1, because getting people aware is cheap and easy. Then what?

This group advocates lobbying governments to install a military presence in Uganda. Let's ignore the massive amounts of potential backlash from this and say they succeed in taking out Kony. This does little to address the crushing poverty and government corruption in the region. Instability in Africa is not the result of some crazed thug, it's because the people who live there are unable to support themselves.


I am not arguing either way, merely providing more reading I came across to those interested.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 01:11 AM

Do you realize how vague each of those goals are?

I'll give them point #1, because getting people aware is cheap and easy. Then what?

This group advocates lobbying governments to install a military presence in Uganda. Let's ignore the massive amounts of potential backlash from this and say they succeed in taking out Kony. This does little to address the crushing poverty and government corruption in the region. Instability in Africa is not the result of some crazed thug, it's because the people who live there are unable to support themselves.

This campaign takes away focus from the real issue. If you want to support a real cause, donate to Doctors Without Borders instead of liking a video on Facebook.


In their defense, that's not what this whole campaign is about, and there's probably other charities and organizations that focus on the things you just mentioned, so don't try to criticize an organization for what they don't do. Just try to see whether their goals will have positive results.

Again, I don't think IC is trying to solve "instability in Africa". They're trying to "stop Kony". Honestly, I'm not even quite sure about all of this, but I think their ultimate goal is to wipe out the LRA, by any means possible. They're going to try with the top-down approach by taking out their leader first.

I'm still wrestling with whether Kony should be taken out by a foreign special forces, or get snuffed out by the local military. I think IC raised a good point by saying that without the support of the local army, they're powerless. Trying to restructure a foreign military is out of the question, so they're trying to cooperate with a sketchy military force.

Something that really puts me off is the US-centric theme. Essentially, IC doesn't need our political support as Canadians, but they'd like to have our money. We'll see what happens.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 01:20 AM

In their defense, that's not what this whole campaign is about, and there's probably other charities and organizations that focus on the things you just mentioned, so don't try to criticize an organization for what they don't do. Just try to see whether their goals will have positive results.

Again, I don't think IC is trying to solve "instability in Africa". They're trying to "stop Kony". Honestly, I'm not even quite sure about all of this, but I think their ultimate goal is to wipe out the LRA, by any means possible. They're going to try with the top-down approach by taking out their leader first.

I'm still wrestling with whether Kony should be taken out by a foreign special forces, or get snuffed out by the local military. I think IC raised a good point by saying that without the support of the local army, they're powerless. Trying to restructure a foreign military is out of the question, so they're trying to cooperate with a sketchy military force.

Something that really puts me off is the US-centric theme. Essentially, IC doesn't need our political support as Canadians, but they'd like to have our money. We'll see what happens.


This is what I find so twisted about this whole campaign. People are willing to throw money as this militant cause with so little understanding of the situation.

I do not believe that mob rule should be the standard for dealing with renegades and criminals.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:32 AM

For an interesting supplement one should watch machine gunpreacher, with gerard butler. Its about a badass biker who finds god and goes to africa to build an orphanage, but ends up having to Protect th e kids from konys lra army. And its based on the true story of sam childers.


If I'm not mistaken there are serious questions about the authenticity of mr Childers claims.
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View Postnhlconspiracy, on 21 April 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.

Logic at its finest.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:35 AM

This is what I find so twisted about this whole campaign. People are willing to throw money as this militant cause with so little understanding of the situation.

I do not believe that mob rule should be the standard for dealing with renegades and criminals.


The most disturbing thing should be people's willingness to support a cause they knew nothing about at all until it appeared in a Facebook status and who still have no clue.

Access to information does not make one informed.

That's the issue. People have unprecedented access to information but people are not necessarily more informed.

Edited by Lonny Bohonos, 09 March 2012 - 03:47 AM.

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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.

Logic at its finest.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:59 AM

This is what I find so twisted about this whole campaign. People are willing to throw money as this militant cause with so little understanding of the situation.

I do not believe that mob rule should be the standard for dealing with renegades and criminals.


It's not fair to ask you this, but what do you think the solution should be, then? You can't ignore the fact that Kony is a real criminal, and that something needs to happen sooner than later, and it certainly has to happen quickly in order to really move forward. The risks are obvious.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:06 AM

Kony and the LRA have been ERADICATED and have been INACTIVE in Uganda since 2006; there is now a peace process in place. Of the money that gets donated to Invisible Children, only 31% goes on their charity work. The rest goes to film making. But this 31% of your money, that you either directly give to them or help them raise through sharing their video, goes toward causes like funding Uganda’s military and the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (both of which have done despicable things, such as using rape as a weapon of war).
The organization behind Kony 2012 — Invisible Children Inc. — is an extremely shady nonprofit that has been called ”misleading,” “naive,” and “dangerous” by a Yale political science professor , and has been accused by Foreign ­Affairs of “manipulating facts for strategic purposes.” They have also been criticized by the Better Business Bureau for refusing to provide information necessary to determine if IC meets the Bureau’s standards.

http://www.foreignaf...e-lra?page=show
http://www.guardian....riminal-justice
http://www.vice.com/...ony-2012-or-not
http://rachelheldeva...-2012-resources
http://visiblechildr.../we-got-trouble
http://www.scarlettl...e-next-chapter/
http://blog.joerenke...y-2012-exposed/
http://web.archive.o...2010-06-02.html

More like, actually socially aware humanitarians are frustrated at the sheer ignorance and stupendous quickness with which our generation can be brainwashed into thinking they're doing something good and REFUSE to fact-check their beliefs because it weighs heavily upon their heartstrings.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:22 AM

Nowhere did he say in the video that you have to give them money. Anyone that gives money to charities without knowing exactly where it's going is an idiot anyways.

The point of the video, which alot of people seemed to have miss out on, is that the power of social media can in fact make people and government's take action. And I think that's the most important thing here, not whether or not you feel like giving your money to a charity that may or may not be corrupt.

The bottom line is, Joseph Kony is an evil person who has committed crimes against humanity. Whether you agree with the way Invisible Children is going about trying to get rid of him is irrelevant. What is relevant is that people around the world actually know who this guy is now, and they are willing to put more pressure on governments to capture him. I don't see anything wrong with that.

It's people that try to crap on movements like that that are the ones who are harmful to change. Say what you want about invisible children, but don't look down on people uniting together to try and do something good. There's not enough of that in the world right now.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:25 AM

Nowhere did he say in the video that you have to give them money. Anyone that gives money to charities without knowing exactly where it's going is an idiot anyways.

The point of the video, which alot of people seemed to have miss out on, is that the power of social media can in fact make people and government's take action. And I think that's the most important thing here, not whether or not you feel like giving your money to a charity that may or may not be corrupt.

The bottom line is, Joseph Kony is an evil person who has committed crimes against humanity. Whether you agree with the way Invisible Children is going about trying to get rid of him is irrelevant. What is relevant is that people around the world actually know who this guy is now, and they are willing to put more pressure on governments to capture him. I don't see anything wrong with that.

It's people that try to crap on movements like that are the ones who are harmful to change. Say what you want about invisible children, but don't look down on people uniting together to try and do something good. There's not enough of that in the world right now.


They DO advocate buying their "action kit" for $30 for that stupid cover the night event happening in a month, which you can buy all the supplies for like a mere $10 anyways
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:30 AM

They DO advocate buying their "action kit" for $30 for that stupid cover the night event happening in a month, which you can buy all the supplies for like a mere $10 anyways


Yes, and if people want to get a little bracelet and a couple posters for 30 bucks that's their choice. The main point of the video, which he stated clearly, was this was about people uniting through social media to evoke change.

I'm not gonna argue about whether or not Invisible Children is a legitimate charity or not. The fact is, this is a real issue, they didn't make it up. And if more people actually cared about stuff like this around the world, hanus crimes like this would not be allowe to go on for as long as this did.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:59 AM

Lets just do nothing, that's easier, right?

I love these arrogant people who try and piss on stuff like this, and act like everyone else is dumb but them.

Yes it's true most people didn't know who Joseph Kony was a week ago, but now millions of people do. Hmmm seems to me their video worked then didn't it?

I see alot of people who come off sounding dumber by not being able to seperate the message from the messenger. Just because you may be against Invisible Children, doesn't mean you should be against the message. They've already succeeded in their goal of spreading this message to millions of people, and in doing so proved the power of social media. I see that as only a positive. Even blind action is action, and is better than sitting on your hands and doing nothing.

Social media movements like this have already shown they can do amazing things; as we saw with the Arab spring in the Middle East, and the Occupy Wall Street movement in North America. These social movements are not gonna go away anytime soon, so you better get used to them. I find it refreshing that there are people that are willing to actually do something to create change, instead of sitting and doing nothing, and saying that things will never change. It's just a self-fulfilling proficy to say things wil never change.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 05:02 AM

Nowhere did he say in the video that you have to give them money. Anyone that gives money to charities without knowing exactly where it's going is an idiot anyways.

The point of the video, which alot of people seemed to have miss out on, is that the power of social media can in fact make people and government's take action. And I think that's the most important thing here, not whether or not you feel like giving your money to a charity that may or may not be corrupt.

The bottom line is, Joseph Kony is an evil person who has committed crimes against humanity. Whether you agree with the way Invisible Children is going about trying to get rid of him is irrelevant. What is relevant is that people around the world actually know who this guy is now, and they are willing to put more pressure on governments to capture him. I don't see anything wrong with that.

It's people that try to crap on movements like that that are the ones who are harmful to change. Say what you want about invisible children, but don't look down on people uniting together to try and do something good. There's not enough of that in the world right now.


Ha ha a for real?

Social media distribution of these videos will empower people to put pressure on governments to catch him?

What world do you live in?
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View Postnhlconspiracy, on 21 April 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.

Logic at its finest.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 05:06 AM

Lets just do nothing, that's easier, right?

I love these arrogant people who try and piss on stuff like this, and act like everyone else is dumb but them.

Yes it's true most people didn't know who Joseph Kony was a week ago, but now millions of people do. Hmmm seems to me their video worked then didn't it?

I see alot of people who come off sounding dumber by not being able to seperate the message from the messenger. Just because you may be against Invisible Children, doesn't mean you should be against the message. They've already succeeded in their goal of spreading this message to millions of people, and in doing so proved the power of social media. I see that as only a positive. Even blind action is action, and is better than sitting on your hands and doing nothing.

Social media movements like this have already shown they can do amazing things; as we saw with the Arab spring in the Middle East, and the Occupy Wall Street movement in North America. These social movements are not gonna go away anytime soon, so you better get used to them. I find it refreshing that there are people that are willing to actually do something to create change, instead of sitting and doing nothing, and saying that things will never change. It's just a self-fulfilling proficy to say things wil never change.


Now you're comparing the Kony2012 to the events in Egypt? Tunisia? Libya?

Not even remotely close.

It also has little to do with people being stupid. More like willfully ignorant.

The funny thing is these same people are often the first to accuse others of being sheeples, ignorant etc for believing corporations/US govnt etc etc

Just goes to show that everyone is a sheep in their own way eh?
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View Postnhlconspiracy, on 21 April 2011 - 02:05 PM, said:

It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.

Logic at its finest.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 06:34 AM

It's not fair to ask you this, but what do you think the solution should be, then? You can't ignore the fact that Kony is a real criminal, and that something needs to happen sooner than later, and it certainly has to happen quickly in order to really move forward. The risks are obvious.


My understanding is that Kony is nearing defeat or surrender. Ideally I would like to see him brought in and tried by the Uganda government, but I would also accept some sort of peace negotiation if it would dissolve the LRA (see http://en.wikipedia....eral_Butt_Naked). The goal should be to resolve this issue with as little fanfare as possible so that the government can move on the more pressing issues like weaning its people off of foreign aid and improving the education system.

Although I'm not a fan of this killing for justice mentality, I'm even fine with using foreign troops to hunt him down. I think this is stupid given America's utter frack-up in Somalia, but obviously my opinions have little weight in this matter.

What I can't stand is a witch hunt. This KONY 2012 campaign is nothing less than propaganda to get armchair activist involved in a conflict that they do not understand or ultimately even care about beyond clicking a few links or donating a few dollars. If Kony does get captured, people here will give a cheer, declare the problem to be over and move on to the next slacktivist fad while Ugandans are still getting screwed over by poverty.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

Kony 2012? Sure, I get that he's a Christian, and a general, but if you run him against Mitt now you're just going to split the fundy vote with Santourum. I'd tell Kony's people to hold off until 2016.

He's still more likable than Gingrich though.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:28 AM

This is nothing more than a propaganda campaign for a 'allied' invasion of Africa, AFRICOM is already in place.
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