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Posted 10 March 2012 - 04:34 PM

CBC is just an all around joke anyway. Total eastern favoritism.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 04:44 PM

TIP** if you have a PVR, you can pause a few seconds and sync it with internet/radio voiceover
forget Ron and Don - I love John and John

the CBC sold their song
and it's not like they have replacement parts for the Ron and Don's sideshow either
I agree with Shift4 - there is literally nothing enjoyable about HNIC other than the hockey itself
and it is not just dodo's corner - which remarkably, seems to have gotten even more insular and arrogant - and has lost even their own internal dynamic of banter/back and forth - Ron has become embarrasssingly deferential to Don
but PJ Stock? I don't want to listen to PJ Stock any more than I do Ron and Don.
not to mention how terrible Mark Lee's screaming pbp is...
complete mute-out of the CBC for me thanks

Edited by oldnews, 11 March 2012 - 02:04 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:52 PM

Burke is a baby, and CBC has been ir-relevent since Howie Meeker retired..................dont tell me you just noticed.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 11:32 AM

I developed a hate for Ron after seeing a lot of his anti Canuck bias over the last couple years. It is clear he doesn't like our team, not just Burrows.

Very unprofessional and classless. Ron is supposed to be the voice of fairness between the two and somehow that got lost when it comes to the Canucks

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 06:53 PM

I hope Hockey Night goes to TSN.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 09:37 PM

He had it coming. Losing around 1000000 viewers hurts too. Sorry Don, you pissed a lot of Canuck fans. Were not stupid, we don't live in Caves, we know bias when we see it. most epic comment by Don Cherry,

"Ontarios' Toronto Maple Leafs."

I don't even bother with Coaches corner anymore. He had it coming. He needs to focus more on the NHL then the Maple Leafs. Teh fact he keeps blasing Burke shows that he cares too much about the Leafs. It's like us. WE blast Luongo, Sedins, Gillis A.V because we care too much about the CAnucks. He makes it too obvious sometimes.

 

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:55 AM

All I can say is "be careful what you wish for". If Ron and Don go, it seems likely that HNIC would replace them with someone else just as opinionated. The fact that Mike Milbury continues to get face time seems to bear this out, even though his embarrassing rant on the CBA negotiations had Ronnie rolling his eyes, while Eliotte could barely keep from laughing out loud.

While it's true that Ron and Don don't do much in the way of in depth hockey analysis, there's a reason for that: It's not what they're there for. Their schtick is entertainment/comic relief in the guise of hockey discussion and judging by how long a run they've had, it's been a very successful formula.

BTW: I really don't understand this "I want some real hockey analysis" stuff.

Really? Is that what you want? The 500 or so other intermission "analysis" features don't cover it for you?

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:35 PM

I love CBC and everything about it. It is THREE moves away from shining bright once again


1st - Fire Mike Milbury
2nd- Move Coach's Corner to second intermission
3rd- Stop the Maple Leafs bias

Optional- Make Kevin Bieksa a regular on the After Hours feature
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:42 PM

If it goes to TSN, they better
1. Get the guy who does the CBC playoff game intros
2. Bring Jim Hughson over
3. Avoid loving the Maple Leafs too much, give greater balance
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:45 PM

MIght as well end the show. It's not like we cbc will die without it. The main theme is the game itself. It's like any of us are watching. They are entitled to their opponion, however it's getting tiring, when he's going on rambling about the Leafs. Majority of the people who watch it, are not Leafs fans. Europeans are great players. For all I know, Kesler will be god like if he was from Canada.

All I can say is "be careful what you wish for". If Ron and Don go, it seems likely that HNIC would replace them with someone else just as opinionated. The fact that Mike Milbury continues to get face time seems to bear this out, even though his embarrassing rant on the CBA negotiations had Ronnie rolling his eyes, while Eliotte could barely keep from laughing out loud.

While it's true that Ron and Don don't do much in the way of in depth hockey analysis, there's a reason for that: It's not what they're there for. Their schtick is entertainment/comic relief in the guise of hockey discussion and judging by how long a run they've had, it's been a very successful formula.

BTW: I really don't understand this "I want some real hockey analysis" stuff.

Really? Is that what you want? The 500 or so other intermission "analysis" features don't cover it for you?


 

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 08:13 PM

I think Sportsnet and the CBC will partner up for the Saturday night package.

On Saturdays, all Canucks games must start home games at 1900h Pacific instead starting early for the stinkin' Leafs!!! 


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Posted 12 March 2012 - 08:20 PM

Hold on,

Center Ice blacks out local teams games when the leafs are playing? Is this just a Saturday HNIC thing, or does it occur every time one of Ott/Mtl share a timeslot with Toronto regardless of day and network?

I thought it was bad enough, yet understandable, when local Canucks games would be blacked out on CI when a game was PPV on Canucks TV years back, but blacking out to assist ratings in a nationally televised game...

That is horseshot. I'm pissed for you.

Centre Ice blacks out all english nationally televised games in Canada. That happens when the games are on the CBC, TSN, and TSN2.

On Saturdays, all Canucks games must start home games at 1900h Pacific instead starting early for the stinkin' Leafs!!! 


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Posted 12 March 2012 - 08:20 PM

not local teams

Basically Centre Ice doesn't pick up any HNIC (at least that I could ever find) from my location anyways. So I only ever get the national broadcast which always happens to be the leafs

Get the timeshifter package to get other CBC feeds.

On Saturdays, all Canucks games must start home games at 1900h Pacific instead starting early for the stinkin' Leafs!!! 


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Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:00 PM

I wouldn't miss HNIC if it were gone. Yes its a Canadian classic and has been around forever, however their broadcast teams are dreadful and Ron and Don just make me want to turn off the TV. Maybe they can come back later when they refresh their talent or something but I think its time for them to take a time out.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 11:34 PM

CBC lost their intro tune and all of their integrity went with it, it seems. Now TSN has that tune and HNIC will soon be TSN's as well.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 12:47 AM

much in same way its unfair to group Fox(the simpsons etc.) with Foxnews in the united states(the former being the cultural antithesis of the latter) such comparisons are just as unfair with the CBC and HNIC, if you have a problem with HNIC take it up with HNIC. If you have an issue with a L'oreal product would you be naming Nestle in your arguments(parent company)? not unless you had a reason to undermine nestle.

when arguments are framed against the CBC, specifically, instead of just HNIC, bias becomes an issue. its a little ironic that these issues are being brought up by a team owned by the CBC's competitors(rogers and bell own 75% of the leafs now) coincidentally bell also owns a 15% stake in the paper this was printed in. this is something that can't be ignored. what these companies want is a monopoly on all media in this country and right now the only thing standing in their way is the CBC. they already control the access points for TV and internet, now they want control of the content on that media, and they've elected a party that will strangle the CBC's funds. and in the end if they get their way we'll all get bent over and reamed out by them.

do you enjoy the current telecom situation in this country? we we've got 3 massive companies that collude and then gouge you by offering what is essentially the exact same services for the exact same prices, coincidentally at 2-3 times that of the US. now picture that in hockey and broadcasting. its just so fitting that the 2 of the 3 companies that do this are bell and rogers. and now they want to do the same to hockey.

competition is what makes the capitalist economic model work; monopolies are what collapse it. historically communism was born out of the strife caused by them. the only reason TSN is as good as it is is because it has to compete, if we lose the HNIC, we will in effect lose what makes TSN great.
HNIC is the CBC's biggest cash cow, enabling them to air precious and important canadian content that helps to shape our national identity and where canadian stars are given the opportunity to succeed domestically. the other networks don't do that anymore.

now that the CBC issue is out of the way, I completely agree that HNIC needs a shake up. ron and don have got to go, as does milbury, bring in some youth and some recently retired players. its time for the HNIC to experiment with new hosts and formats, however i wouldn't expect the toronto centric nature of the program to change all that much, because thats just demographics. toronto has more than 2x the pop we do, 3x ottawa. only, i hope the subsidy is adequate for them to complete such a transition, for if they fail to do we'll all lose.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:16 AM

MIght as well end the show. It's not like we cbc will die without it. The main theme is the game itself. It's like any of us are watching. They are entitled to their opponion, however it's getting tiring, when he's going on rambling about the Leafs. Majority of the people who watch it, are not Leafs fans. Europeans are great players. For all I know, Kesler will be god like if he was from Canada.

I'm going to have to disagree, M.O.

Coach's Corner airs between the first and second periods of the early Saturday night game. Now, I don't know what the exact numbers are, but I'd hazard a guess that over 90% of those games feature the Leafs.

Since the Toronto viewing audience is roughly three times that of Vancouver or Montreal, I believe that Ron and Don are actually preaching to the choir in their segment on HNIC.....
Orland Kurtenbach and Dennis Kearns had just been torched 8-1 by the Habs, but they still took time to come out to meet us, some fellow BC boys who were playing hockey in Montreal. THAT"S what being a Canuck is!

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:02 AM

Get the timeshifter package to get other CBC feeds.


They aren't HD channels
Hockey is the only sport, the rest are just games.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:23 AM

A prelude to the CBC inevitably losing it's NHL contract.

But is TSN any better?


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:30 AM

the CBC sold their song


No they did not. It was sold to BellGlobeMedia (TSN) by the actual rights holders (some woman I think), and only because they swooped in with a very high offer right in the middle of CBC's negotiations with rights holder. It would be very irresponsible for a crown corporation to pay the milllion or so dollars to own a 'song'.

I do agree that losing that tune did kinda kill the soul of HNIC. What bugs me more is that TSN has done a terrible job with it by consistently playing the boring original version of the song. Instead of leasing the great variations/updates to it that CBC did over the years, they waste their time doing these one off 'celeb/publicity stunt' versions that are just godawful.

While I loathe milbury, mark lee, and especially PJ stock, among others on the show, I like that opportunities are there now for gems like Elliotte Friedman, and the women getting more of a role.

Ultimately I hope HNIC stays with CBC, as the money they make off it goes onto subsidize other CBC programs, helping them to fulfill their mandate of promoting canadian culture.

Also, going back to the original article, I wonder how many american franchises are annoyed with NBC's persistent catering to only 5 or so teams in their broadcasts? At least ottawa and vancouver get on tv.... I don't think you're existence is acknowledged by NBC if you're not a north east corridor team (buffalo and columbus need not apply).
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:13 PM

That's awesome news. I hate how self centered that old bag Cherry is. He always goes on about 'his buddy' and how 'he' told them what to do to get better. It's always cause of 'his advice' people are getting better, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah - like stfu already.

He thinks he knows more than organizations themselves, is always ready to start a fight without realizing that he is on a very popular channel in Canada, and he has the attitude of a sore winner. Never lets Ron talk, mofo thinks he's a iconic figure world wide, and he thinks he's the God of hockey - give it a break.

Yea Cherry is. Good guy and all, he gives good advice, does good stuff, and helps communities, but the guy thinks he's a 1 man show and knows it all; never wrong - again, like stfu lol: he cant pronounce half the players names that he talks about, and yet he says he's great buddies with them - pretty sure if you were great buddies, you'd know how to say your 'buddies' name mr don berry.


....he's a good guy, but does stupid things. Cut it out don, don't think that your a king.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:17 PM

Not to mention, Hnic has been a pain in the back side for lots of teams, like us Vancouver, cause of all the bias commentary they have; just ridiculous.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:20 AM

A million times better IMO. Better analysts, better pbp and colour commentators, more credible panel, better intermission features, and far less bias than HNIC.

CBC HNIC may be branded as a Canadian tradition but that's the only card they have to play. Traditions can change and I personally would embrace TSN HNIC with open arms

Don Cherry is an icon but some of us watch that show not to have to hear about his personal vendettas and barbaric views. We want unbiased opinions about what is going on in the NHL. No one better to provide that view than Bob McKenzie IMO


Couldn't have said it any better.

TSN actually discusses the hockey being played, instead of Ron and Don giving their opinions about how they think the game should be played.

Those two should just go do something like LeafsTV, or Cherry can go broadcast for Boston.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:50 AM

maybe burke should be focusing a little more on the hockey aspect of his hockey club, and a little less on the media aspect.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:48 AM

I think a lot of the bias is showing through because the Canucks have become very successful, and everyone at HNIC is wondering "why can't that be the Leafs?" Why is the city that is barely "Canadian" getting all the success and attention?

"It should be the Leafs dammit!" is something I bet is said more than a few times a year in the HNIC offices.

Edited by Lewah, 14 March 2012 - 10:49 AM.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:33 PM

It all went downhill once the CBC lost the rights to the hockey night in Canada theme.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:15 PM

It all went downhill once the CBC lost the rights to the hockey night in Canada theme.


The didn't actually lose them, they chose not to renew their contract with the songwriter.

I remember an interview with her at the time and she said she was quite surprised at the CBC decision..

TSN was more than happy to step into the breach once CBC dropped the ball, but they got it because CBC no longer wanted it.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:33 PM

TIP** if you have a PVR, you can pause a few seconds and sync it with internet/radio voiceover
forget Ron and Don - I love John and John

the CBC sold their song
and it's not like they have replacement parts for the Ron and Don's sideshow either
I agree with Shift4 - there is literally nothing enjoyable about HNIC other than the hockey itself
and it is not just dodo's corner - which remarkably, seems to have gotten even more insular and arrogant - and has lost even their own internal dynamic of banter/back and forth - Ron has become embarrasssingly deferential to Don
but PJ Stock? I don't want to listen to PJ Stock any more than I do Ron and Don.
not to mention how terrible Mark Lee's screaming pbp is...
complete mute-out of the CBC for me thanks


Something I've seen done for years, minus the delay fixer with the PVR. I remember watching Saturday night games at family dinners, and people would put the radio on and mute the TV so they could listen to Jim Robson and Tom Larschied instead, even though there was a 5 second delay.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:21 PM

Canucks and Senators shouldn't be mad - CBC is just showing lots of Leafs games because they won't have that option once the playoffs are here.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:53 PM

I'm going to have to disagree, M.O.

Coach's Corner airs between the first and second periods of the early Saturday night game. Now, I don't know what the exact numbers are, but I'd hazard a guess that over 90% of those games feature the Leafs.

Since the Toronto viewing audience is roughly three times that of Vancouver or Montreal, I believe that Ron and Don are actually preaching to the choir in their segment on HNIC.....


Be careful with this common sense, you're gonna get booed out of town.

Everyone is entitled an opinion, but personally, I love Grapes. Seems odd to me that Burke would point fingers re: "deteriorating standards" ... if anything, I would think that the Leafs org should encourage others to acheive LOW standards so that their complete ineffectiveness doesn't stand out so badly. As for Grapes giving our Canucks a hard time, what do we expect?? We have an abundance of soft swedes and the kind of frenchies that most westerners love to hate. Take it with a grain of salt ... Don doesn't hate Vancouver, just a few of our beloved Canucks.




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