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#301 ConnorFutureGM

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:00 AM

You have absolutely no clue. The Leafs haven't had a goalie in over 10 years and it's no coincidence they haven't made the payoffs in the same timespan. You're dilusional if you don't think they are begging MG for a shot at Lu.

There are goalies that Burke could get for cheap. Thomas, Harding, Khabibulin.

The funny thing is that a lot of people expect Burke to pay the moon for Luongo. If he's paying that much, why not just give Schnieder an insane offer sheet. If it's under 7.9 million, it would only cost Burke two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Gardiner alone is probably worth two low 1st rounders.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:01 AM

I gaurantee you, if we trade Luongo, and if it does happen, you will be saying

"i can't believe we got that much."

Also Gillis is content with going into the season with both goalies if nothing works out. We don't have to settle for nothing just for the sake of it. Other GM's know that, and they respect gillis not to make such a stupid offer like Franson and a 2nd.

If Gillis keeps both goalies, watch the Canucks crumble from within.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:09 AM

I hope you're not too stuck on that "future GM" thing....

I see a lot of posts like yours and frankly, it amazes me. What makes you guys think that all of these supposed trading partners are dealing from a position of strength? They are not doing us a favor by taking Louie off our hands and giving us back their unwanted junk.

These are teams that lack consistent goaltending. Whether the Lou haters admit it or not, Louie is the best player available at that position. Toronto, Tampa and Florida all become better teams the minute they deal for Luongo.

Simply put, Gillis is holding the cards. If he doesn't get an offer that makes the Canucks a better team, he'll hold on to both goaltenders.

Gillis is holding no cards. Luongo holds more cards than Gillis. Loungo has a full NTC and dictates where he wants to go. There are always goalies available and goalies can have amazing seasons after having disasters the season before. Look at Elliot and Smith. GMs don't want to be stuck with a goalie for 10 more years if the goalie is already in his mid 30's. Luongo also requested a trade and with what happened in the playoffs, having Luongo on the team with tear the locker room apart. GMs know and Gillis knows he has to trade Luongo. Luongo has a huge contract that nobbody wants hence the Canucks not getting much for him.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:19 AM

Gillis is holding no cards. Luongo holds more cards than Gillis. Loungo has a full NTC and dictates where he wants to go. There are always goalies available and goalies can have amazing seasons after having disasters the season before. Look at Elliot and Smith. GMs don't want to be stuck with a goalie for 10 more years if the goalie is already in his mid 30's. Luongo also requested a trade and with what happened in the playoffs, having Luongo on the team with tear the locker room apart. GMs know and Gillis knows he has to trade Luongo. Luongo has a huge contract that nobbody wants hence the Canucks not getting much for him.


You are underrating how valuable Lu is to a team that is struggling to make the playoffs like the Leafs and Tampa are. One or two years of making the playoffs pays for his contract times over.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 11:53 AM

NHL scraps don't get 1st overall picks. If you wanted the 1st overall pick from Toronto it would start with Kesler and with extras.


Right now. Luongo is worth more than Kesler. Luongo could get Toronto into the playoffs, Kesler (who will be coming off his 2nd offseason surgery) could not.

There are goalies that Burke could get for cheap. Thomas, Harding, Khabibulin.

The funny thing is that a lot of people expect Burke to pay the moon for Luongo. If he's paying that much, why not just give Schnieder an insane offer sheet. If it's under 7.9 million, it would only cost Burke two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Gardiner alone is probably worth two low 1st rounders.


Oh, you mean the Thomas that's taking a year off? Harding who has never played more than 42 games, and recently missed an entire year? Khabibulin? Really? Might as well suggested Roloson.

Yeah, Burke should handcuff his own salray cap by giving a unproven goalie almost 8 million. That makes sense on soo many levels. And it only cost 2 firsts a 2nd and 3rd?!?! STEAL!! After the Kessel deal, I doubt Burke would mortgage his future on a unproven tender.

Gardiner alone is maybe worth a mid first. He has been way over hyped by Toronto media.


If Gillis keeps both goalies, watch the Canucks crumble from within.


Because it's been a problem so far? They're both professionals, and (as Gillis did with Hodgson, M. Schneider, SOB) if there is any locker room issues, it would be dealt with.

Gillis is holding no cards. Luongo holds more cards than Gillis. Loungo has a full NTC and dictates where he wants to go. There are always goalies available and goalies can have amazing seasons after having disasters the season before. Look at Elliot and Smith. GMs don't want to be stuck with a goalie for 10 more years if the goalie is already in his mid 30's. Luongo also requested a trade and with what happened in the playoffs, having Luongo on the team with tear the locker room apart. GMs know and Gillis knows he has to trade Luongo. Luongo has a huge contract that nobbody wants hence the Canucks not getting much for him.


Elliot and Smith are mearly products of their environments. Roloson could have had a decent season with either of those teams, and if Toronto wanted to try it with either of them, they would crumble.

Just face the fact the Luongo is (by far) the best available goalie on the market. He is proven. He is affordable, and is a top 10 goalie in the league. Add in the fact that Burke's job may be on the line, and now he is a desperate man. Gillis doesn't need 29 teams bidding, he only needs 2, and he's got at least that in Toronto, Florida, and maybe even Tampa.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:01 PM

There are goalies that Burke could get for cheap. Thomas, Harding, Khabibulin.

The funny thing is that a lot of people expect Burke to pay the moon for Luongo. If he's paying that much, why not just give Schnieder an insane offer sheet. If it's under 7.9 million, it would only cost Burke two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Gardiner alone is probably worth two low 1st rounders.

Khabi is old an done, Thomas is sitting out and there is no guarantee with Harding. Like I posted earlier, Leafs are done with experiments. Burke can't afford missing the playoffs again.
How well did Elliott do in the playoffs? He was one of the main reasons they lost. Smith is a product of Tippett. Look how good Tippett made Bryz look. Both those teams play a defensive collapse on the goalie system. Troy Gamble would win games under that system.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:12 PM

I hope you're not too stuck on that "future GM" thing....

I see a lot of posts like yours and frankly, it amazes me. What makes you guys think that all of these supposed trading partners are dealing from a position of strength? They are not doing us a favor by taking Louie off our hands and giving us back their unwanted junk.

These are teams that lack consistent goaltending. Whether the Lou haters admit it or not, Louie is the best player available at that position. Toronto, Tampa and Florida all become better teams the minute they deal for Luongo.

Simply put, Gillis is holding the cards. If he doesn't get an offer that makes the Canucks a better team, he'll hold on to both goaltenders.


Gillis doesn't really hold the cards. Luongo and Schneider do. If he does hold onto Luongo my guess is that Schneider only signs a one year deal meaning he will have UFA status next summer and his value goes down each game he plays next season.

Luongo has a FULL NTC. Nobody seems to understand that part of it. He gets to decide where and if he goes. Schneider is a RFA. He can't be brought to arbitration until July 5th so is exposed to offer sheets. Plus he sort of needs to be locked up before Luongo is moved and he probably wants to see that Luongo gets moved before he signs long term.

It is rumoured Luongo has asked to be moved or possibly been asked to move. I just don't get how that gives Gillis the cards.

Plus the one place everybody seems to think Luongo is going to has a GM that hates the type of contract he is on. So much so that he testified against perhaps the greatest GM in NHL history due to the Kovalchuk deal.

Luongo is an asset but to think Gillis has much leverage is wrong. He doesn't really unless everyone goes along with him. If Luongo or Schneider decide to they can make it very difficult for him.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:33 PM

You are underrating how valuable Lu is to a team that is struggling to make the playoffs like the Leafs and Tampa are. One or two years of making the playoffs pays for his contract times over.

It's not the money, it's the term.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 12:40 PM

Right now. Luongo is worth more than Kesler. Luongo could get Toronto into the playoffs, Kesler (who will be coming off his 2nd offseason surgery) could not.



Oh, you mean the Thomas that's taking a year off? Harding who has never played more than 42 games, and recently missed an entire year? Khabibulin? Really? Might as well suggested Roloson.

Yeah, Burke should handcuff his own salray cap by giving a unproven goalie almost 8 million. That makes sense on soo many levels. And it only cost 2 firsts a 2nd and 3rd?!?! STEAL!! After the Kessel deal, I doubt Burke would mortgage his future on a unproven tender.

Gardiner alone is maybe worth a mid first. He has been way over hyped by Toronto media.




Because it's been a problem so far? They're both professionals, and (as Gillis did with Hodgson, M. Schneider, SOB) if there is any locker room issues, it would be dealt with.



Elliot and Smith are mearly products of their environments. Roloson could have had a decent season with either of those teams, and if Toronto wanted to try it with either of them, they would crumble.

Just face the fact the Luongo is (by far) the best available goalie on the market. He is proven. He is affordable, and is a top 10 goalie in the league. Add in the fact that Burke's job may be on the line, and now he is a desperate man. Gillis doesn't need 29 teams bidding, he only needs 2, and he's got at least that in Toronto, Florida, and maybe even Tampa.

- It is far harder to get a #1 centre than a #1 goalie.

- Thomas might take a year off or he might be using that as leverage. Thomas has stated his intention of playing in the 2014 Olympics. Who's the GM of USA hockey team.

- Every team in the league would rather have Schnieder and Luongo. A lot of you think that Burke will pay huge for Luongo, might as well pay that for Schnieder.

- Gardiner was great in his rookie season.

- A guy who doesn't want to be here has to stay? Yeah, no problem at all.

- Luongo and Thomas are the best goalies available.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 01:05 PM

- It is far harder to get a #1 centre than a #1 goalie.

- Thomas might take a year off or he might be using that as leverage. Thomas has stated his intention of playing in the 2014 Olympics. Who's the GM of USA hockey team.

- Every team in the league would rather have Schnieder and Luongo. A lot of you think that Burke will pay huge for Luongo, might as well pay that for Schnieder.

- Gardiner was great in his rookie season.

- A guy who doesn't want to be here has to stay? Yeah, no problem at all.

- Luongo and Thomas are the best goalies available.



- Kesler is not a #1 centre. He's a 1B at best.

- Why take a chance that Thomas is bluffing? If Burke trades for him, and Thomas still doesn't come back, then what? And who wants a guys like that on your team?

- Proven vs Potential. Burke does not have the luxury of taking the chance that Schneider can carry the team. He'd be better off taking the safe choice, and that's Luongo

- He was good for a rookie, but I wouldn't go as far as great.

- Has not been confirmed that he wants out. He said he will do what's best for the team. Luongo and Gillis haven't even met yet.

- This is true, but only one is guaranteed playing next year.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:22 PM

Gillis is holding no cards. Luongo holds more cards than Gillis. Loungo has a full NTC and dictates where he wants to go. There are always goalies available and goalies can have amazing seasons after having disasters the season before. Look at Elliot and Smith. GMs don't want to be stuck with a goalie for 10 more years if the goalie is already in his mid 30's. Luongo also requested a trade and with what happened in the playoffs, having Luongo on the team with tear the locker room apart. GMs know and Gillis knows he has to trade Luongo. Luongo has a huge contract that nobbody wants hence the Canucks not getting much for him.


This is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to know where to start.

First, Louie does not "dictate where he goes". He submits a list of five teams that he would accept a trade to. Gillis can try to get the best deal he can from any one of them. All it takes is for two to be interested...

Second, any GM who gambles on catching lightning in a bottle as the Blues and 'Yotes did, is playing with fire. For every player who does what those two did last season, there's a Steve Mason or Ilya Bryzgalov.

Third, there is no confirmation that Luongo has requested a trade. he said that he would waive his NTC if the Canucks asked him to. To this point, there is zero verification of Gillis making such a request.

Fourth, Gillis does not have to trade him. He could keep both of them if he doesn't like any of the offers he receives. This would not "tear the dressing room apart". These are professional athletes who understand the business side of the game, not 13 year-old kids who have a spazz attack when their time cards expire.

Finally, your statement that nobody wants Luongo's contract is pure speculation. Most GMs would prefer not to have such a long term, but they likely also prefer not missing the playoffs once again. Burke's grace period is expiring. Yzerman has a team that was a game away from the finals and then missed the following postseason altogether because of poor goaltending. Tallon had a team that barely lost to the current Cup finalists. What might have been with a better goaltender?

As I said before: Don't count on getting that future GM job anytime soon.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:58 PM

Hypothetically what would a team expect to pay a proven top 5 NHL goalie?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:59 PM

This is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to know where to start.

First, Louie does not "dictate where he goes". He submits a list of five teams that he would accept a trade to. Gillis can try to get the best deal he can from any one of them. All it takes is for two to be interested...

Second, any GM who gambles on catching lightning in a bottle as the Blues and 'Yotes did, is playing with fire. For every player who does what those two did last season, there's a Steve Mason or Ilya Bryzgalov.

Third, there is no confirmation that Luongo has requested a trade. he said that he would waive his NTC if the Canucks asked him to. To this point, there is zero verification of Gillis making such a request.

Fourth, Gillis does not have to trade him. He could keep both of them if he doesn't like any of the offers he receives. This would not "tear the dressing room apart". These are professional athletes who understand the business side of the game, not 13 year-old kids who have a spazz attack when their time cards expire.

Finally, your statement that nobody wants Luongo's contract is pure speculation. Most GMs would prefer not to have such a long term, but they likely also prefer not missing the playoffs once again. Burke's grace period is expiring. Yzerman has a team that was a game away from the finals and then missed the following postseason altogether because of poor goaltending. Tallon had a team that barely lost to the current Cup finalists. What might have been with a better goaltender?

As I said before: Don't count on getting that future GM job anytime soon.

Man, you're living in Canucks fantasy land.

1. Luongo has a full NTC. He can submit a list of 10 teams, 5 teams, 1 team or no teams. If he really wanted to, ho could tell Gillis to shove it and Gillis couldn't do $h!t about it. If Gillis has a trade proposal to go to NYI with the Canucks getting the 4th overall pick, Tavares and Hamonic, Luongo can just say "no thanks" and that trade does not happen. Luongo says where he goes, not Gillis. The only thing Gillis can do is put him on waivers or trade Schnieder; that's the power that Gillis has over Luongo.

2. You'd be surprised. A lot of teams would prefer gambling on a somewhat unproven goalie for cheap than a monster contract goalie.

3. Give me a break. If you think that Luongo doesn't want to get traded your on hallucinations.

4. Lets see how this will play out. This guy two or so seasons ago was captain of the Canucks (a ridiculous move by the way). He then got demoted from captain and now he's losing his starting position as goalie. This is all in a city where most fans are anti Luongo. He is a very confident person and has never been a backup goalie in his professional career. Luongo wants to be a starter and he will want to prove the Canucks wrong in trading him. He's not going to want to sit back and watch as another goalie gets more starts than he does. He bite his tounge for the playoffs but that's over.

5. When he gets traded we'll see who's right.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:00 PM

Hypothetically what would a team expect to pay a proven top 5 NHL goaltender?

Why are the Canucks trading a top 5 proven goalie? Maybe because he can't win the big games?

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:12 PM

Why are the Canucks trading a top 5 proven goalie? Maybe because he can't win the big games?


Or maybe because they have another goalie who they like even more. Very few teams in the league have this luxury.

I'm betting there are a few teams out there that would love to have just one and as you said: we'll see....
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:18 PM

Man, you're living in Canucks fantasy land.

1. Luongo has a full NTC. He can submit a list of 10 teams, 5 teams, 1 team or no teams. If he really wanted to, ho could tell Gillis to shove it and Gillis couldn't do $h!t about it. If Gillis has a trade proposal to go to NYI with the Canucks getting the 4th overall pick, Tavares and Hamonic, Luongo can just say "no thanks" and that trade does not happen. Luongo says where he goes, not Gillis. The only thing Gillis can do is put him on waivers or trade Schnieder; that's the power that Gillis has over Luongo.

2. You'd be surprised. A lot of teams would prefer gambling on a somewhat unproven goalie for cheap than a monster contract goalie.

3. Give me a break. If you think that Luongo doesn't want to get traded your on hallucinations.

4. Lets see how this will play out. This guy two or so seasons ago was captain of the Canucks (a ridiculous move by the way). He then got demoted from captain and now he's losing his starting position as goalie. This is all in a city where most fans are anti Luongo. He is a very confident person and has never been a backup goalie in his professional career. Luongo wants to be a starter and he will want to prove the Canucks wrong in trading him. He's not going to want to sit back and watch as another goalie gets more starts than he does. He bite his tounge for the playoffs but that's over.

5. When he gets traded we'll see who's right.


You're kind of contradicting yourself here. First you say Luongo can tell MG to go to hell if he doesn't like the potential destination, (even though he would have already listed it as a place that he would accept a trade to, as I noted earlier) then you claim there's no way he'd remain in Vancouver and be a backup. (even though there is no proof that this would be the case, just speculation, as usual)

So which is it? If Louie says Tampa or bust, but Yzerman isn't interested, what happens then? Does Luongo hold his breath until he turns blue?
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 04:48 PM

Okay, so we've clearly established that "guaranteeing" a roster spot is basically a recipe for disaster and that Gillis has helped Tanev turn into a legit top-six/top-four NHL defenceman by developing him properly whereas Gilroy was destroyed by trying to rush the development process...


Wait, what?!

Now you're pulling a 180 and saying it's in Schultz's best interests (see: ability to hit his potential ceiling as a player) to be rushed to the NHL in the exact same way Gilroy was (who played in all situations in 09-10)?

I, for one, am confused by this apparent dichotomy.

what are you talking about , you take my quotes and then add someone else's and claim them as mine ? to come up with the theory that im pulling a 180 ?
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Posted 08 June 2012 - 05:09 PM

There are goalies that Burke could get for cheap. Thomas, Harding, Khabibulin.

The funny thing is that a lot of people expect Burke to pay the moon for Luongo. If he's paying that much, why not just give Schnieder an insane offer sheet. If it's under 7.9 million, it would only cost Burke two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Gardiner alone is probably worth two low 1st rounders.


Yeah ONLY two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.... ask them how well that worked out for them last time they traded away 2 first round picks. Oh and lets not forget that in your little scenario THEY HAVE TO PAY CORY SCHNEIDER 7.9 MILLION DOLLARS.

- It is far harder to get a #1 centre than a #1 goalie.

- Thomas might take a year off or he might be using that as leverage. Thomas has stated his intention of playing in the 2014 Olympics. Who's the GM of USA hockey team.


1. That is a ridiculous statement. Out of 30 teams in the league, probably more than half of them are looking to upgrade their goaltending. On the other hand, you have teams like Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin and Staal, Vancouver with Sedin and Kesler, LA with Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Detroit with Datsyuk, Filppula, Hudler, Franzen.... The point is pretty much every team has a number one center, some teams with 2 capable number 1's.

2. Who the hell cares what Thomas has stated?? Im sure when he's in his 40's, after taking a year off hockey he will be able to compete with Jonathan Quick, Cory Schneider, Ryan Miller, and Jimmy Howard to make the olympic team :rolleyes:


Man, you're living in Canucks fantasy land.

1. Luongo has a full NTC. He can submit a list of 10 teams, 5 teams, 1 team or no teams. If he really wanted to, ho could tell Gillis to shove it and Gillis couldn't do $h!t about it. If Gillis has a trade proposal to go to NYI with the Canucks getting the 4th overall pick, Tavares and Hamonic, Luongo can just say "no thanks" and that trade does not happen. Luongo says where he goes, not Gillis. The only thing Gillis can do is put him on waivers or trade Schnieder; that's the power that Gillis has over Luongo.


3. Give me a break. If you think that Luongo doesn't want to get traded your on hallucinations.


1. Gillis has a lot more say in this than you are implying. If Luongo rejects a trade Gillis can say "alright looks like your sitting on the bench for 65 - 70 games this season" or... "Im sorry, but we're sending you to the minors for the rest of your career" You're telling me that Luongo accepts those circumstances instead of accepting a trade to a team, ANY TEAM, that has specifically stated they want him, and want him as their starter????

2. Last time I checked, you can have hallucinations, you can't be on hallucinations :shock:

Judging by your "hockey knowledge", amount of posts you have, and choice of grammar, I assume you are about 16 ??? Not sure why everyone is even wasting time trying to argue with you.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 06:54 PM

Man, you're living in Canucks fantasy land.

1. Luongo has a full NTC. He can submit a list of 10 teams, 5 teams, 1 team or no teams. If he really wanted to, ho could tell Gillis to shove it and Gillis couldn't do $h!t about it. If Gillis has a trade proposal to go to NYI with the Canucks getting the 4th overall pick, Tavares and Hamonic, Luongo can just say "no thanks" and that trade does not happen. Luongo says where he goes, not Gillis. The only thing Gillis can do is put him on waivers or trade Schnieder; that's the power that Gillis has over Luongo.

2. You'd be surprised. A lot of teams would prefer gambling on a somewhat unproven goalie for cheap than a monster contract goalie.

3. Give me a break. If you think that Luongo doesn't want to get traded your on hallucinations.

4. Lets see how this will play out. This guy two or so seasons ago was captain of the Canucks (a ridiculous move by the way). He then got demoted from captain and now he's losing his starting position as goalie. This is all in a city where most fans are anti Luongo. He is a very confident person and has never been a backup goalie in his professional career. Luongo wants to be a starter and he will want to prove the Canucks wrong in trading him. He's not going to want to sit back and watch as another goalie gets more starts than he does. He bite his tounge for the playoffs but that's over.

5. When he gets traded we'll see who's right.


Lu would rather waive his NTC to any team if it came down to it. If he didn't he could be the next Wade Redden and the goalie who was a possible HOF sent to play for the mighty Chicago Wolves because if he is sent there ala Wade Redden there is no chance in hell of ever being recalled.
Lu COULD say no way to every option MG puts to him, but the consequences are worse for Lu than they are for MG. Send Lu to the minors and his 5.3 comes off the books capwise, and the Canucks use that money elsewhere and Lu can become an AHL HOF'er.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 07:00 PM

You're kind of contradicting yourself here. First you say Luongo can tell MG to go to hell if he doesn't like the potential destination, (even though he would have already listed it as a place that he would accept a trade to, as I noted earlier) then you claim there's no way he'd remain in Vancouver and be a backup. (even though there is no proof that this would be the case, just speculation, as usual)

So which is it? If Louie says Tampa or bust, but Yzerman isn't interested, what happens then? Does Luongo hold his breath until he turns blue?

The point is Luongo and the market for Luongo dictate where Luongo goes. That leaves very little power in the hands of Gillis.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 07:35 PM

Yeah ONLY two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd.... ask them how well that worked out for them last time they traded away 2 first round picks. Oh and lets not forget that in your little scenario THEY HAVE TO PAY CORY SCHNEIDER 7.9 MILLION DOLLARS.



1. That is a ridiculous statement. Out of 30 teams in the league, probably more than half of them are looking to upgrade their goaltending. On the other hand, you have teams like Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin and Staal, Vancouver with Sedin and Kesler, LA with Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Detroit with Datsyuk, Filppula, Hudler, Franzen.... The point is pretty much every team has a number one center, some teams with 2 capable number 1's.

2. Who the hell cares what Thomas has stated?? Im sure when he's in his 40's, after taking a year off hockey he will be able to compete with Jonathan Quick, Cory Schneider, Ryan Miller, and Jimmy Howard to make the olympic team :rolleyes:




1. Gillis has a lot more say in this than you are implying. If Luongo rejects a trade Gillis can say "alright looks like your sitting on the bench for 65 - 70 games this season" or... "Im sorry, but we're sending you to the minors for the rest of your career" You're telling me that Luongo accepts those circumstances instead of accepting a trade to a team, ANY TEAM, that has specifically stated they want him, and want him as their starter????

2. Last time I checked, you can have hallucinations, you can't be on hallucinations :shock:

Judging by your "hockey knowledge", amount of posts you have, and choice of grammar, I assume you are about 16 ??? Not sure why everyone is even wasting time trying to argue with you.

- Look at this way. How much should Schnieder get a raise for? Maybe between 3 and 4 mil in a three year or less deal. Burke could offer Schnieder the same cap hit as Luongo on a 4 year deal. The compensation for a 5.3 mil contract is a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd. I've seen a lot of insane proposals on here for Luongo to the Leafs. Some of them are 5th, Gardiner, +. Lets just say it's the 5th overall (which is still way too much). The Leafs can trade their 5th overall and have Luongo or have Schnieder FOR 2013 1st, 2nd, 3rd. With better goaltending the Leafs pick should at least be between the 10 and 20 range. What would you rather have: a 5th overall pick or a 10th, 40th and 70th?

- How many teams don't have a #1 goalie? Chicago, Columbus, Edmonton, Tampa Bay, Toronto makes 5. How many teams don't have a #1 centre? Buffalo, Calgary, Columbus, Montreal, Nashville, Phoenix, Toronto, Winnipeg. The thing you have to consider is the amount of roster spots are available. A team can easily fit and play two #1 centres. Teams rarely have two #1 goalies and if they do, it's almost impossible to maintain that as seen in Vancouver now.

- That's why Luongo makes a list. It's a small list. Who was rumoured to be on the list? Tampa, Florida, Toronto. I don't know any other teams. The teams on Luongo's list probably already know they're on the list so those teams are dealing from a position of strength. If two of those teams have no interest then it would just be one team having all of the power. You do know if Luongo is put on waivers every team in the NHL gets the chance to pick up his contract for free? If Luongo is brought back up every team will have a chacne of taking Luongo at half price with the Canucks picking up the rest.

- I'm giving you facts and you just blather on. If you're going to rebute my post at least back it up.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 07:36 PM

Lu would rather waive his NTC to any team if it came down to it. If he didn't he could be the next Wade Redden and the goalie who was a possible HOF sent to play for the mighty Chicago Wolves because if he is sent there ala Wade Redden there is no chance in hell of ever being recalled.
Lu COULD say no way to every option MG puts to him, but the consequences are worse for Lu than they are for MG. Send Lu to the minors and his 5.3 comes off the books capwise, and the Canucks use that money elsewhere and Lu can become an AHL HOF'er.

That is the power that Gillis has. When going on waivers any team in the league can pick up his contract.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:18 PM

The point is Luongo and the market for Luongo dictate where Luongo goes. That leaves very little power in the hands of Gillis.


Oh dang are you sooooo wrong. It's hilarious. Luongo does not dictate where he goes. He at this point has no choice. Of course, we want to do whats best for our team, and Gillis as loyal as he is, he will do whats best for our team, and in return find a place where Luongo will be a number 1 goalie. LUongo also said he will do whats best for the team. If he is asked to waive his NTC, he said HE WILL DO IT. Wether he will do it for certain teams, it's all up in the air right now. We can't go by what James Duthie said, or whoever, last we heard from LUongo, he said he will waive if it asked.

That is the power that Gillis has. When going on waivers any team in the league can pick up his contract.


True, but someone LIke, luongo will not last very long. Lets Say Detroit picks him up, but since Edmonton being a crappier team, and if they decide to make a claim on Luongo, even though Detroit put their bid in, first, Luongo will go to Edmonton." So not every team, will have a legit shot at Luongo.

buddy.... your wayyyyyyyyyy off right now, not even close. I thought the fans that are willing to settle for Schenn are way off, you on the other hand is out of this world. Gillis have some leverage here, NO CANUCK FANS have demanded the future of a franchise or did any of demanded a high offer. It's just a 2nd round pick, a 3rd line prospect and a scrub defencemen will not get this deal done. Mark my words.

Players Nikolaj Ehlers have been compared too by the fan base of the Vancouver Canucks.

 

1 Pavel Bure

2 Markus Naslund

3 Nathan Mackkinon

4 Jonathan Drouin.

5 Jonathan Tavares

 

http://bleacherrepor...d-top-prospects

combine results.  Ehlers 5'11 162 lbs of solid rock.  


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:22 PM

There are/will be at least two teams making serious bids for Luongo of the places he would be interested in going - talk of waivers and Wade Redden are ridiculous - Wade Redden could no longer cut it in the NHL - Luongo is still a top ten starter. Folks with insanely low expectations like that, or who devalue Luongo so extremely are in for a big surprise.

Edited by oldnews, 08 June 2012 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:35 PM

this talk of waivers and Wade Redden is so far out of touch that you folks are in for a big surprise.


I mentioned it only in the case IF MG only has offers he would accept not on Lu's list and Lu refused.
I see no way Lu will play for this team again and if he refuses any trade then MG has no option but to send him tothe minors.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

- I'm giving you facts and you just blather on. If you're going to rebute my post at least back it up.


Blather on? :huh: Everything i specifically pointed out about your posts were utter nonsense. Do you notice how pretty much every single person in this thread tends to disagree with whatever random points you're trying to make? Take a hint.. you're not smarter than everybody else in here.

Edit: Im not trying to attack you, or say your an idiot if thats how it came across. I'm just saying if EVERYBODY is arguing the points that you are making and disagree completely with what you're saying, well than maybe you're just wrong. :)

Edited by TmanVan, 08 June 2012 - 09:45 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

I mentioned it only in the case IF MG only has offers he would accept not on Lu's list and Lu refused.
I see no way Lu will play for this team again and if he refuses any trade then MG has no option but to send him tothe minors.


It just doesn't seem like a realm of possibility that Luongo refuses to play here again, refuses to be traded to the teams that show interest, and Gillis refuses a low ball offer and puts him on waivers instead. I'd be willing to bet that Florida and Toronto are not going to pass on the opportunity to pick him up, and they will be prepared to offer something reasonable.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 09:52 PM

It just doesn't seem like a realm of possibility that Luongo refuses to play here again, refuses to be traded to the teams that show interest, and Gillis refuses a low ball offer and puts him on waivers instead. I'd be willing to bet that Florida and Toronto are not going to pass on the opportunity to pick him up, and they will be prepared to offer something reasonable.


I do agree with you. Someone else posted that Lu has complete control and my rersponce was pointing out however slim it may be what could happen to Lu if he thinks he is in control and can dictate the situation.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 10:01 PM

I do agree with you. Someone else posted that Lu has complete control and my rersponce was pointing out however slim it may be what could happen to Lu if he thinks he is in control and can dictate the situation.


I think that things could turn out to be a win win for all sides. I think Dale Tallon would like see Luongo back in Florida - it would be great for their up and coming team and for the fanbase - they do have a young goaltending prospect but he is likely years from ready, and Theodore has only a year left on his contract. Luongo loves Florida. Florida has a whole lot of young prospects, particularly at center and on the blueline - and they have the type of prospects the Canucks need most. They also have three or four roster players who could fit in nicely in Vancouver. I wouldn't be surprised at all if those things fall into place.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 10:15 PM

Blather on? :huh: Everything i specifically pointed out about your posts were utter nonsense. Do you notice how pretty much every single person in this thread tends to disagree with whatever random points you're trying to make? Take a hint.. you're not smarter than everybody else in here.

Edit: Im not trying to attack you, or say your an idiot if thats how it came across. I'm just saying if EVERYBODY is arguing the points that you are making and disagree completely with what you're saying, well than maybe you're just wrong. :)

90% of Canuck fans are very close minded. i expected this much disagreement. Go on the Leafs boards and see what they're prepared to offer for Luongo. You will find everybody disagreeing with you there. You can't take the majority as right on NHL message boards. Everybody is in favour of their team.




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