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#1 Sixteen W's

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:34 PM

Roberto Luongo's in the middle of a rough patch, much like the rest of the team, but his struggles are actually much more recent.

Exceptional netminding can mask poor play by the rest of the team, and that's exactly what Luongo and Schneider were providing night after night for the past while. The team wasn't scoring goals, but it wasn't letting in many, so the wins kept coming, despite all that overtime and poor play.

In a way, Luongo's poor play is good for the team, and it's starting to show. The team's success could never rely so heavily on Luongo given his tendency to be streaky, and sometimes the forwards have to chip in enough for an easy night or two.

The Canucks obviously needed more offense, and that's exactly what's happening. The Canucks are now taking more shots, they're starting to score more goals, and the power-play has started to click again.

Once Luongo finds his form again, this team should start rolling again just in time for the playoffs.



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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:37 PM

Just put in Schneider and anoint him as number 1. Problem solved. No need to complicate things.

Once we win the cup this year w/ Ginger, Luongo can continue sucking until his retirement.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:38 PM

I hope Lu stand on his head through 4 rounds and sips from Stanley in June.

frack the haters right up.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:45 PM

I hope Lu stand on his head through 4 rounds and sips from Stanley in June.

frack the haters right up.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:45 PM

Is it slightly contradictory to agree with all of the above? My gut is feeling that schneids is the answer to getting througb this slump. lu carried us for quite a while thru all those shootouts but come playoffs hes streaky. The cup window is closing for this set of players we need a decisive playoff run THIS season. I think cory is the man for the job regardless of valks no goaltender controversy right now. Fair enough one more chance for lou then in with the ginger!

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:47 PM

Roberto Luongo's in the middle of a rough patch, much like the rest of the team, but his struggles are actually much more recent.

Exceptional netminding can mask poor play by the rest of the team, and that's exactly what Luongo and Schneider were providing night after night for the past while. The team wasn't scoring goals, but it wasn't letting in many, so the wins kept coming, despite all that overtime and poor play.

In a way, Luongo's poor play is good for the team, and it's starting to show. The team's success could never rely so heavily on Luongo given his tendency to be streaky, and sometimes the forwards have to chip in enough for an easy night or two.

The Canucks obviously needed more offense, and that's exactly what's happening. The Canucks are now taking more shots, they're starting to score more goals, and the power-play has started to click again.

Once Luongo finds his form again, this team should start rolling again just in time for the playoffs.



Don't remind me about our defense.





I have an opposite opinion with this...

Our team is well balanced... we have a lot of talent... and if you look at the stats we are in the Top 5 most goals in the league right now... we were in control and we have already proven that we could be in the top...

but here's the thing... if you switch it up... it makes more sense...

is our team's poor play good for Luongo - trying to make him play better in the playoffs... ?

and have him fight for his position coming next year knowing how he struggles during the playoffs & the stanley cup finals... do we re-sign Schneids or keep Luongo is the big question this summer?

I think it makes more sense... ask the Sedins why they are not scoring more lately... or maybe it's a Gillis idea to make Luongo look bad and have an argument to trade him in the summer... lol...

but who knows... it's just pure speculation...

Edited by orcanucks, 15 March 2012 - 12:02 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:52 PM

There are far too many factors to blame it all in Lu... Sure the guy is having some rough patches, however keep in mind the d makes a goalie better and our d us very inconsistent and makes far too many mistakes. There is a reason why juice is -3 and in this game and let's not forget that 3 on 1 which led to a shot on goal by bieksa followed by a goal jn our net which again juice made happen.

Line juggling along crap pylon non existent players like Raymond which just occupy a spot on the rooster along with a few struggling players leads to losing games. Today's loss is mainly due to line juggling; AV needed to f*** with the d today for what reason??? Let's mess both front and back lines and see what? IfLu can win it for us? Or was AV expecting magic by sticking raymond with the twins??
Wtf was AV thinking???
Raymond was a pylon last year and sadly this year he's even worse after coming back from injury... Sure he looked promising at first but as I mentioned b4 a few fluky goals and a couple of assists in a short period of time is not enough to judge. Also our prospect Kassian has been invisible for the past few games... Kid is just not ready for NHL and its hard to play for Canucks as there is way too much expectance from the guy.
Overall Lu needs to be better, I agree, but please don't blame it all on the guy. Inconsistency with him really does suck tho as he tends to have a stellar game here and there stealing a game then sink for a bunch of games.







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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:58 PM

There are far too many factors to blame it all in Lu... Sure the guy is having some rough patches, however keep in mind the d makes a goalie better and our d us very inconsistent and makes far too many mistakes. There is a reason why juice is -3 and in this game and let's not forget that 3 on 1 which led to a shot on goal by bieksa followed by a goal jn our net which again juice made happen.

Line juggling along crap pylon non existent players like Raymond which just occupy a spot on the rooster along with a few struggling players leads to losing games. Today's loss is mainly due to line juggling; AV needed to f*** with the d today for what reason??? Let's mess both front and back lines and see what? IfLu can win it for us? Or was AV expecting magic by sticking raymond with the twins??
Wtf was AV thinking???
Raymond was a pylon last year and sadly this year he's even worse after coming back from injury... Sure he looked promising at first but as I mentioned b4 a few fluky goals and a couple of assists in a short period of time is not enough to judge. Also our prospect Kassian has been invisible for the past few games... Kid is just not ready for NHL and its hard to play for Canucks as there is way too much expectance from the guy.
Overall Lu needs to be better, I agree, but please don't blame it all on the guy. Inconsistency with him really does suck tho as he tends to have a stellar game here and there stealing a game then sink for a bunch of games.


Its the same defence that plays infront of CS.. i mean sure, we can blame the defence all we want, but their job is not to stop the puck. A goaltender is suppose to the be "last defender".

The funny thing is, i dont even think the defence was bad tonight, they just looked bad because Luongo let in 5 friggin goals.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:00 AM

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:03 AM

I hope Lu stand on his head through 4 rounds and sips from Stanley in June.

frack the haters right up.


Hehe, so you would want to win a cup based on "hope"??? Have faith in hope... What if the team does not score in a game 7 of the scf?? Much like our inability to score in our own stadium in a game 7???

The Boston coach was happy he lost in our home the first two games by a marginal one point and gave him the opportunity of tweaking his team game to ultimately win the series... Unfortunately AV is a good coach but has a really tough time turning the team around on the dime... and we also are missing someone who can make this happen in our dressing room.
Sure bieksa can have a fluky bounce resulting in a goal or Burrows for that matter but we still lack that drive and have a really tough time coming back from being down a couple of goals.. Lately we can't even keep a lead and don't have answers back for 3 goals against or more.



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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:03 AM

Luongo's leash come playoff time should be very very short. If he lets in 2 quick goals or soft goals, yank him right away while the game is still in reach.

Since we're preety much a lock for the playoffs, why dont AV let CS win the #1 job??, why is this franchise so afraid of this idea. Hiller beat Giguere, Ward was discovered in the playoffs, Miller, Howard etc.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:06 AM

Luongo's leash come playoff time should be very very short. If he lets in 2 quick goals or soft goals, yank him right away while the game is still in reach.

Since we're preety much a lock for the playoffs, why dont AV let CS win the #1 job??, why is this franchise so afraid of this idea. Hiller beat Giguere, Ward was discovered in the playoffs, Miller, Howard etc.



as i have said previously... maybe they are trying to make Luongo look bad (or maybe he's just bad while the Sedins are resting for the playoffs) in the remaining games and have an argument to play Schneids in the playoffs and possibly re-sign him during the summer... just my speculation...lol..

Edited by orcanucks, 15 March 2012 - 12:12 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:09 AM

as i have said previously... maybe they are trying to make Luongo look bad (or maybe he's just bad) in the remaining games and have an argument to play Schneids in the playoffs and possibly re-sign him during the summer... just my speculation...lol..


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:33 AM

Anyone who thinks the defense played well and it is all Lu's fault either didn't watch the game, or have no bloody clue what they are talking about.

I'm not saying Lu had a great game, either.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:44 AM

as i have said previously... maybe they are trying to make Luongo look bad (or maybe he's just bad while the Sedins are resting for the playoffs) in the remaining games and have an argument to play Schneids in the playoffs and possibly re-sign him during the summer... just my speculation...lol..

Yup, it's never Luongos goaltending. It's those guy's>...

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:49 AM

Best news of the game for the Canucks was that Burrows might be able to bring back some of the third line offence that was lost with the Hodgson trade. Now if AV could sit Raymond, play Kassian with the Sedins to give them some room, and go back to his regular defence pairings, the team might have a chance to find its feet before the playoffs. Otherwise ... it's going to be kaput ... first round exit and a long summer, boys ...

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:51 AM

I thought the plan coming into this season was to play the hotter goalie? This tactic should be applied whether it'd be first week of the season or last week of the season. Aren't we supposed to have a 1A and 1B goalie? And it's not like Schneids isn't capable of handling the job.... He's a proven starter, not a backup. Wow seriously AV. You're a good coach but clearly Luongo has been struggling since playing vs. Buffalo. (0 win and 4 losses) Whereas Schneids is (1-0 vs the Jets). Do the right thing.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:06 AM

How much longer do the Canucks have to worry about not hurting Luongo's feelings? I mean AV has pumped his tires enough times this season right? Just play the hot goalie ffs.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:12 AM

Does playing Schneider realy solve the problem? The team is still playing really bad. These mistakes cannot happen. No goalie you put in can save you if you keep making these sloppy plays.

Benning will be fired next year. Hope he enjoys screwing around for a few months. I just cant believe this. Another injured BC player. We just got rid of garrison. Seems like the canucks and linden just wanted any BC born player. Doesn't matter if hes good or not. We don't need another Linden to get us to game 7 of the Stanley cup and lose. We need someone to win us a cup.

 

5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

ive already lost faith in JB. Ive never EVER had this bad of a feeling about management.

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:20 AM

Just put in Schneider and anoint him as number 1. Problem solved. No need to complicate things.

Once we win the cup this year w/ Ginger, Luongo can continue sucking until his retirement.


agree. all i want is the stanley cup and after that, i could care less if we miss the playoffs 5 years in a row. <_<

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:26 AM

You cant pin this loss on Lou,although I think he should've stopped two of them (he did'nt keep us in the game..let's put it that way,,!!).
Instead of showing AV after every Phoenix goal,they zoomed in on Rick Bowness..rightfully so..!!..On defense,he's got a three ring circus going on.The confusion is astounding.

Anyway,I say..time to ride the Schneid..Luongo will come around(I have full confidence)..but I think the team needs to hit the reset button..and start Schneider,and lets see if he can run with it,

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:29 AM

I hope Lu stand on his head through 4 rounds and sips from Stanley in June.

frack the haters right up.


nice joke. team's not going to win anything with luongo in net. ever.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:31 AM

You cant pin this loss on Lou,although I think he should've stopped two of them (he did'nt keep us in the game..let's put it that way,,!!).
Instead of showing AV after every Phoenix goal,they zoomed in on Rick Bowness..rightfully so..!!..On defense,he's got a three ring circus going on.The confusion is astounding.

Anyway,I say..time to ride the Schneid..Luongo will come around(I have full confidence)..but I think the team needs to hit the reset button..and start Schneider,and lets see if he can run with it,


Luongo has saved our butts too many times before. With the way defence is playing, sooner or later, its gonna come back and bite you in the rear.

Lets why I asked whether putting in Schneider will help. The D just isn't playing the way it should. With the D struggling the way it is, will playing Schneider fix our defensive problems.

I say give Lu a break. he's carried us this far. Give Schneider some playing time. For that reason only. Not that i'm pinning it on Luongo. But if we're gonna play like this, give Schneider some of the work load.

Edited by Monteeun, 15 March 2012 - 01:33 AM.

Benning will be fired next year. Hope he enjoys screwing around for a few months. I just cant believe this. Another injured BC player. We just got rid of garrison. Seems like the canucks and linden just wanted any BC born player. Doesn't matter if hes good or not. We don't need another Linden to get us to game 7 of the Stanley cup and lose. We need someone to win us a cup.

 

5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

ive already lost faith in JB. Ive never EVER had this bad of a feeling about management.

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:31 AM

nice joke. team's not going to win anything with luongo in net. ever.


~facepalm~

Nice way to address the issue. I was wondering when ppl like you would show up.

Edited by Monteeun, 15 March 2012 - 01:32 AM.

Benning will be fired next year. Hope he enjoys screwing around for a few months. I just cant believe this. Another injured BC player. We just got rid of garrison. Seems like the canucks and linden just wanted any BC born player. Doesn't matter if hes good or not. We don't need another Linden to get us to game 7 of the Stanley cup and lose. We need someone to win us a cup.

 

5 million a year for Vrbata? 6 million for Miller? Kesler for Bonino and 24th instead of 10th pick or one of their top prospects? Garrison for scraps?

ive already lost faith in JB. Ive never EVER had this bad of a feeling about management.

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:11 AM

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:28 AM

i say we do whats been done all year long. Use both goaltenders. Luongo is our number 1 so we'll obviously use him more but i say get Schnieder in at least 3 starts (maybe up to 5 even). That way Luongo will be a bit rested for the playoffs and he'll still get enough games here at the last stretch to get out his funk, which i think will happen within the next 5 games.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:20 AM

I hope Lu stand on his head through 4 rounds and sips from Stanley in June.

frack the haters right up.


Would love to see it.

However the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Can't see it happening.

All this team needs with this much talent is consistent goaltending. Steady and strong, nothing more. Fortunately we have a goaltender with exactly those qualities. Unfortunately his name isn't Roberto.

Not hating, but I refuse to have blind faith in an inconsistent player who we all know can be exceptional, yet just can't remain consistent.

I could be wrong, in fact I hope I am...but I doubt it.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:27 AM

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:28 AM

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:57 AM

Its the same defence that plays infront of CS.. i mean sure, we can blame the defence all we want, but their job is not to stop the puck. A goaltender is suppose to the be "last defender".

The funny thing is, i dont even think the defence was bad tonight, they just looked bad because Luongo let in 5 friggin goals.


Really, what game were you watching! :shock:




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