Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:00 AM
Needless to say, we play (most nights anyways) one of the most exciting brands of hockey. We focus on skill, speed, forechecking, backchecking, pressuring and possessing the puck, and to do this we need a very active group of Dmen.
In fact, one of the differences that sets our team apart is our offense from defense. Even with Ehrhoff leaving (50 pt D is insanely hard to replace generally), our dmen haven't missed a beat and even producing at a higher clip.
Jumping in the rushes and pinching to keep the puck in the zone is great, but has anyone noticed that we are also giving up costly goals because of this? We need to be a LOT smarter in pinching and staying the blueline. Many teams are smartly using this against us, blowing by that blueline dman by chipping over him or making a short pass to get an odd-man rush. I've seen this happen at least 2~3 on good nights, and 4~5 on bad nights. We can't be giving up 2 on 1 rushes that many times and blame the goalie or the d pairs.
We need to emphasize smarter pinching and this means actually encouraging defense to take a step back when needed. It feels like our D is ALWAYS going down the boards or trying to keep the puck in. But that shouldn't be the prerogative, especially if you are leaving yourself in a vulnerable position. Tanev made a dumb read to keep the puck in which led to one of many odd-man chances last night that led to a goal. Hamhuis, Bieksa, and Salo all were left standing at the blueline when Coyotes made quick passes or chipped the puck along the boards: away they go on a two-one or three-one break.
I understand we get offense from defense and that's important to us. But we also need to play smarter and I really don't think this style of play will be safe for the playoffs. Coyotes, Blues, and Preds FEAST on counter attacks and tight checking games and we would be quite vulnerable.
Defense needs to be more patient and let the play come to them. I remember Bieksa saying that letting the play come to him was one of the lessons he's learned that's helped in grow as a dman. I think he, as well as other defensemen, could use a reminder.
Defense wins championships and we have a good group. We just need to have them play smarter and not always pinching so much. Join the rush, and use your speed to join the play like Hammer did in scoring his goal last night. Pinch when you can and keep puck possession when you can. But if you need to reach to get to the puck and it's a borderline play, why risk a scoring chance? We have two art trophy winners, selke winner, former 20, 25, 30 goal scorers on our team. Stop taking so many risks for the sake of offense from defense.
Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:35 AM
Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:59 AM
What I saw last night were a group of forwards who were not doing much puck support in their own zone. A pinching dman for the Canucks is almost standard play for them. Either the weak side dman covers for him and the same side winger covers as well. That wasn't happening a lot. So many odd man rushes it was ridiculous especially after going up 2 - 0.
Odd man rushes have been a problem of late. Raymond suggested they needed to improve their communication between the forwards and defense. It's interesting because it is something they have done extremely well through most of this year.
The most disturbing aspect of the game was the number of times the rushing forward tried to make a blueline move to beat the defender. Even when it was less than 2:00 minutes left with a empty net I think it was Kesler who tried to do it. He was by no means the only one during the game. The puck control game with short passes like the Wings was no on display. Even tho the 2nd line produced points they struggled at times and I won't talk about the 1st line who's defense was bad. 3rd line with Burrows did very well.
Canuck fans have to be worried about this team as they dwell on the supposed positives with ever loss. It is one thing to lose off a bounce or simply be outplayed by a strong opponent. That is not what is happening over the past weeks. This team has been out of sync for over a month. Confidence means a lot and they don't have a whole ot of that. They are definitely not up to playoff hockey. They have to play their way out of this over the next 12 games or golf starts early.
Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:19 PM
Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:57 PM
Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:59 PM
I think if we had Alberts and Rome be our 1st defensive pairing, we would win EVERY game! ...
Definitely, why hasn;t AV done this before....
Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:45 PM
One day Luongo will raise Lord Stanley's cup.
And show all those haters that he is the amazing goalie that he is.
No matter what jersey he wears, I will always be cheering for Luongo.
Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:57 PM
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:05 PM
Canucks defense are pinching beyond pinching.
Now I am all for the defense rushing up to keep the puck in the zone at the RIGHT TIME. However in the past few games it seems they are doing too much of that. Often times they pinched, but failed to keep the puck in for long. That results in turnovers, and leads to multiple 2 on 1s and 3 on 1s the other way.
When a team goes pinching beyond pinching, its pretty much kamikaze. Now if we are down by 1 goal with 2 minutes to go, I am all for this kind of plays. However there is no need to play this super aggressive style for the whole game.
What do you guys think?
Edited by CHIPS, 16 March 2012 - 06:07 PM.
Sig too big.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:09 PM
Edited by Amish Rake Fighter, 16 March 2012 - 06:11 PM.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:13 PM
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:14 PM
lazy defence in the last ten games, though.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:36 PM
"Skatin' around, bunch of mice on the ice, showin' off the moves we learn'd"
If I make a joke, and it hurts your feelings, eff off you pansy b*tches
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:39 PM
Bieksa needs Hamhuis
Edler (needs to get out of his funk - we know he always turns it up in the playoffs so no worries!) and Salo (steady)
Tanev and Grags is a good combo, but Grags needs to pick his spots too. He isn't Bobby Orr
Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:57 PM
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:05 PM
Formerly known as LordofBrussels
There we have it folks, we have literally blamed everyone for everything at this point
Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:00 PM
Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:05 PM
I think we're refining our game but if we give up the same amount of odd man chances we have been we aren't going anywhere. The checking in the playoffs is going to get tighter, not looser (is that a word?) but the writing on the wall is in Greek, English, Russian, and every other language under the sun, you need an offensive push from defence in order to make a cup run. Jeff Brown in 94 was huge for us. Really turned the table along with the rest of the St. Louis players we got.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:32 PM
Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:34 PM
Pinching d-men is what makes MG's and AV's system so good for the team: d-men pinching and causing more chaos for opposing teams. Its worked all year long, specifically, the past 3 or so years, and just because the team's playing poorly lately doesn't mean the d should stop pinching and stop doing what's made them so successful years after year.
Sure a few pinches in the past 5-10 games have been bad, but you gotta know that pinching is a gamble, and the team does know that. They know when to do so - they've been doing it the past 3 years with this system - and their gonna pay for it here and there, but other than that, I can say 85% of the time, the d pinching up is a plus for the team.
"You know what my favourite Super Bowl is? The next one."
- Tom Brady
Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:29 PM
NHL Wikipedia : Operates Major Ice Hockey League known for predetermining Stanley Cup winners and rampant corrupt officiating
"I would love for (the Canucks) to win the Stanley Cup because that would put to bed all the talk about 1994", he says facetiously".
Nathan Lafayette on hitting the post in game seven of the Stanley Cup.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:53 PM
The Coyotes scored as a result of a terrible pinch (by Tanev I think). That left Bieksa all by himself on a 3-on-1, where he landed on his arse and waved at the puck blindly (this was Doan's goal). We have been extremely sloppy on pinches, among various aspects of the game, and pinching requires team chemistry, and team chemistry requires all players to be playing well. None of our players are doing very well, so you can see what can and will happen.
That was Hamhuis actually who made the bad pinch.
Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:22 PM