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#61 Rink on Renfrew

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:10 AM

I've been saying I wanted AV out of here for a couple of years now. It's no different now. I've never liked him as a coach and I hope he's fired this summer.



I just don't understand this comment. So you hope AV gets fired this summer?
That would mean the Canucks got bounced early in the playoffs. This is not what a fan who wants the best for the team should be thinking.

I don't always agree with AV's decisions but I hope he's the head coach for the next decade, that would mean the Canucks continue their success for the next ten years.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:28 AM

I can guarantee along with most fans that the Canucks will not get out of the 1st round.

Orly?

Who are these "most fans" you speak of?

What backs up this "guarantee"?

What do I get to do if you're wrong, punch you in the face? Shake on it.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:35 AM

Im PRETTY sure its too late in the season for a coaching change for a playoff team. It would be season suicide!



The Canucks have been to the finals 3 times in their history, and the one of the most improvable teams ever to make it to the SCF in history was the 1982 Canucks when head coach Harry Neale was suspended for 10 games in March and Roger Nielson took over coaching duties and the team responded so well even after the 10 game suspension was over he let Nielson stay on coaching.

Teams generally respond very well to coaching changes in the short term, especially if it is a team underachieving. This year the Caps, Ducks, Kings, Blues all changed their coaches.
Blues went from very underachieving with a 6-7 record to likely 1st overall,,,Ducks went from absolutely crap to a team that would make the playoffs if not for such a huge hole they dug to begin the season,,,Caps will likely make the playoffs and the Kings have hope to make it.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:44 AM

I have been asking for AV gone since he arrived.
I absolutely hate his line juggling and poor decisions. If we lose out in second round this year, only thing i'll be happy about is a new coach that can change the system and light a fire under the players.

I'd like to see
Daniel - kesler - Burrows
Booth - Henrik - Hansen
Higgins - Pahlsson - Raymond
Mancar - Lap - Bitz

send down Kassian and let him develop. 8 minutes a game isn't doing him any favours.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:16 AM

Maybe we should fire the fans... Obviously they have been hindering the team all season.

My belief is if we don't get it done this year, AV will have had his chance. Even though his numbers far exceed his predecessors.

Ebbett might fill a bit of the void CoHo left, he has shown a level of skill and chemistry before his injury.

I just wanna take a minute to thank AV for making MayRay a healthy scratch in last nights game. Almost seemed like they were looking ahead to wednesday's matchup. Oh well, it's an 82 game season and you can't win em all.

Just beat the living $**t out of the Hawks next game...

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:41 AM

Just looking through the board topics I think it's lucky Luongo hasn't played the last 2 games because the villagers are on a witch hunt for a scapegoat.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:05 AM

Any suggestions on who to hire????

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:53 AM

http://sportsillustr...orek_devils_ap/


just felt like adding a little fuel (Devils went on to win the Cup)


I am ok with AV, Canucks current situation and this thread just made me think of that


Quite a different situation. The Devils promoted Robinson from assistant coach to head coach. They didn't bring somebody "new" in, they gave the job to somebody very familiar with the players and their current system.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:08 PM

As much as I'm loathe to say this. Have a meeting with Kes and Henrik...give Kes the "C".

If we're out in the first or second round, fire AV.


What difference would that make? Kes is already part of the leadership. So if leadership is the problem.....
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:12 PM

Quite a different situation. The Devils promoted Robinson from assistant coach to head coach. They didn't bring somebody "new" in, they gave the job to somebody very familiar with the players and their current system.


I was merely commenting on the removal of the head coach.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:58 PM

I think we'll have to resurrect this thread after the first round, so we can revisit the OP's "guarantee".

BTW: You're being presumptuous in saying that "most fans" agree with your assessment that the Canucks will be out in the first round. I highly doubt that this is true.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:21 PM

I was merely commenting on the removal of the head coach.


I was merely commenting on the replacement.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:19 PM

It is inevitable that the top line of twins and Burr will be shut down again in some games or series in the playoffs. The problem with AV is that one year later, he still does not have a plan B to help the Sedins out when it happens again this spring. Putting a pointless, softer Raymond on the top line will only make things worse. There is not much point for Vancouver to win the conference as there is a high chance the top seed will meet Detroit or Nasville in the 2nd round. But there is no excuse for AV not to try Bitz or Kassian on the top line now to see what can do, as Vancouver will lose most of the games once the Sedins are shut down.

Schneider is a better goalie than shaky Luongo by a mile. If AV is serious about winning, Schneider has to be the starting goalie but I wonder this team has the courage to sit the multi-million dollar sieve Luongo. The team and fans should not be happy too soon when Luongo gets a shutout again because he will give up half a dozen softies and quickies in the next 2 games. And I believe a Luongo who jumped out of the way to avoid being hit by a helpless Bruin lying on ice, sliding with the puck into the Canucks net for an easy 3 rd goal in game 7 of the SCF does not deserve to win anything big. But if AV and MG has to start Luongo to prove it's money well spent on Luongo, AV must be ready to pull Luongo after any 2 softies or quickies even if without the permission of Luongo. AV is just a joke when had to ask Luongo whether he would like to be pulled after giving up 5 goals in game 3 of the SCF. The Cancuks are basically out-coached in all series.

MG and AV does not seem to be on the same page. This results in the 4 million dollar Ballard sitting on the bench and a waste of cap space. I believe the newly acquired Gragnani will also sit to make room for AV's favorite Rome. Rome is a definite liability as he does not have that good first pass and the offense will suffer. Rome is also not sound on defense and he has the tendency to take senseless penalties. There is also no excuse for AV's inability to put together a decent 4th line after 5 seasons because this coach picks his players based on favoritism, not on merits. Right now Malhotra and Lapierre are both -10. The fact like the 4 th line is out-scored year after year will again be the killer in the playoffs.

AV is just an incapable coach and he has to be replaced if it is an early exit. The Canucks already have MacTavish in the system. The guy had won the Cup as a player and had brought the Oilers to game 7 of the SCF as an underdog. Unless Vancouver wins it which is very unlikely under AV, I would love to see AV gone this summer.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:29 PM

Any suggestions on who to hire????

Benoit Groulx
1- he's bilingual... Montreal doesn't even have that
2- he doesn't like players who fall down to much (I just thought I would throw that out there)
3- he doesn't like piss poor officiating. He's currently serving a two game suspension for throwing a garbage can full of garbage at a referee on the ice, as well as sticks.

Here is a video if you like. It's RDS though.
http://www.rds.ca/lh...ues/337016.html

Just my opinion

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:39 PM

My money is in Rick Boneheadness, defence sucks - Defense coach =Rick Boneheadness. The game game has passed this old school coach by, lots of qualified-candidates AHL WHL, OHL, etc. Av is the leader granted, but not the main fault, he is a good coach.


Agreed. Hard to argue with the results. As a unit in our end we look confused alot of the times with our opponents reading our plays better than our own team mates. It is baffling at times.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:13 PM

The system and the robotic way it's played is what I don't like. It kills my enjoyment of hockey. If I want to watch perimeter shooting then I'll watch old Lakers video of Derek Fisher.

AV's roots are the grind em out, trap em to death, discipline, hard work and loyalty type of game. The ironic part is the goalie has to bail out the team a lot of the time despite this trapping system so I question how effective it really is. I do give him props for adapting to a more offensive style game when his job was on the line when MG was hired but when the chips are down he goes back to the D style. He has the Toronto Raptors' philosophy of focusing on D but merely trusting the players on offense. I think that's a mistake.

What we need is a Phil Jackson of hockey. Someone who's chill, can utilize the best players to read and react and make sure the role players can shine at the best times. The old Lakers used momentum and emotion to fuel them but if things go bad then it's stomped out pretty quickly. Right now the fear of failure outweighs the emotion of winning. If the Sedins and/or goaltending is weak then the team is usually screwed.

Because of goaltending depth, I'd take the chance to go offensive and let the flow of the game work itself into transition D. Right now it's more about playing low risk, low reward but if there are early goals then it's a mental hurdle for the team. With good goaltending it should be easier to learn good enough D to win... offensive skills should be highly rewarded and celebrated... sure the Sedins have sick passing skills but they are one dimensional... I mean pure stick handle through 3 guys, wicked shot, great dishes and emotion in the game type of players. Kes had flashes last year but he's also called upon to check which in AV's system of fear, is too big a part of the game. Almost every player in the league is a checker so get someone else to do it.




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