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#121 playboi19

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:24 PM

Kassian will wake up in the playoffs.

All the gritty guys last year like Torres, Lappy, and Bieksa showed up when it counted.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:38 PM

It amazes me how the OP got 11 "likes."

Wait, no it doesn't. This is the CDC.

Which really must be the Center for Disease Control, because there's a lot of people here who are infected with stupid.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:40 PM

Bitz looked kinda fragile, didn't come off as a physical player really, not for his size anyway, one boring fight, couple shoves. Sure he looks intimidating, but need to see more games after getting in shape to get a better idea of his playoff potential. Right now I think Kass-Lappierre-Weise is the best possible 4th line for us, fast, angry, capable of putting in the occasional goal and playing good D.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:06 PM

I wouldn't send him down. He should be ready by the playoffs.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:30 PM

Your implying that Hodgson would have made an impact in the playoffs. How, when he clearly can't even make an impact in Buffalo?


You are going to eat those words. Hodgson was just trying to a find a role on a new team. Watch him catch fire now and there is a good chance Buffalo will make the playoffs this year so if they did you may get to see if he is a playoff player but given the fact he always came up clutch in his junior days don't be surprised if he does..

Without a doubt Hodgson was making an impact on the Canucks this year and since he is gone the Canucks have had more problems scoring because they lost one of their few offensive weapons in the bottom 6. Kassian may or may not become a good player in the NHL but at the very least he is not as ready to contribute right now.

I understand Hodgson probably wanted out but Gillis made a big mistake in not getting a more veteran proven guy back in trade. It could have been a package deal of Raymond and Hodgson for someone who makes about what Raymond does. The Canucks are a team whose window is open only as long as the Sedins are at the top of their game and they probably have already peaked as players. The Canucks probably had a legit shot this year so to make a trade for the "future" really doesn't make any sense unless your main goal as an organization is to remain competitive in the long run and not to win the Stanley Cup this year.

Btw, for the future I am concerned about Kassian because he seems to lack heart and he floats around too much. That is what a lot of people in Buffalo observed about him as well which was probably why the Sabres were willing to let him go. Some people have said he simply hasn't had the same intensity as a player since he got that huge suspension in junior.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:39 PM

Byron Bitz has done little in Chicago. 2 Goals in 17 games and 11 penalty minutes. He had a cute little run with Sedin line for about two games but that seems to have completely tainted some fans perception of him as a player. He has little in the way of offensive skills.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:58 PM

You are going to eat those words. Hodgson was just trying to a find a role on a new team. Watch him catch fire now and there is a good chance Buffalo will make the playoffs this year so if they did you may get to see if he is a playoff player but given the fact he always came up clutch in his junior days don't be surprised if he does..

Without a doubt Hodgson was making an impact on the Canucks this year and since he is gone the Canucks have had more problems scoring because they lost one of their few offensive weapons in the bottom 6. Kassian may or may not become a good player in the NHL but at the very least he is not as ready to contribute right now.

I understand Hodgson probably wanted out but Gillis made a big mistake in not getting a more veteran proven guy back in trade. It could have been a package deal of Raymond and Hodgson for someone who makes about what Raymond does.  The Canucks are a team whose window is open only as long as the Sedins are at the top of their game and they probably have already peaked as players. The Canucks probably had a legit shot this year so to make a trade for the "future" really doesn't make any sense unless you goal is not to win the Stanley Cup.

Btw, or the future I am concerned about Kassian because he seems to lack heart and he floats around too much. That is what a lot of people in Buffalo observed about him as well which was probably why the Sabres were willing to let him go. Some people have said he simply hasn't had the same intensity as a player since he got that huge suspension in junior.


MG was not prepared to trade Hodgson for a vet,or a player on the downside of his career.It was prospect for prospect/project.You are obviously a Hodgson fan,so am I,.. I am satisfied with the trade.Both players have huge upsides/downsides..Although,I still think Cody is a defensive liability (playing in a second line role.he is a -8).I saw him earlier in the year playing against Hossa..men against boys.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:04 PM

Lots of Hodgson butt hurt in this thread, the OP did his job good.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:39 PM

Kassian=hands of stone that may hit Bitz=Can actually score and hits. Not to mention he's huge


Hand's of stone? Are you sure your not talking about Matt Kassian because it seems like Zach has some pretty sweet hands to me.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:49 PM

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian

Higgins - Kesler - Booth

Burrows - Pahlsson - Hansen

Malhotra/Raymond - Lapierre - Reinprecht/Bitz

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:52 PM

Why? Leave him on the fourth.. It's not his fault we're losing games.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:57 PM

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:06 PM

Playoff Lineup:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Malhotra - Pahlsson - Hansen
Bitz - Lapierre - Kassian

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Salo
Ballard - Tanev

Luongo
Schneider


I have examined Vintage Canuck's formula, and it is sound.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:11 PM

I have examined Vintage Canuck's formula, and it is sound.


Really? Could be.

I mean if you look at it, Raymond doesn't fit anywhere. But if Manny was slotted on the 3rd line it would be interesting how he would do there. Lessons could be learned from last year, WE NEED A PHYSICAL 4TH LINE.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 01:15 AM

this is the NHL there is no free passes for him or anyone else send him down to the minors now... One tough player is not going to get us where we want to go the rest of the team are feline cats... Sedins dont score good chance we dont go far this year same as last...will see them cross checked to the ice and beaten no penalties will be called the rest you already know..Send Kassian to the minors now...


You make absouletley no sense lmao, do you know anything about Zack Kassian?Obviously not, just watch buddy. You'll see hes only 21, i gurantee they're wont be any of these threads talking about sending Kassian down lol.new team new organiztion new city, stfu and give the kid a break

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 04:14 AM

I don't get why everyone is up in arms at the thought of Kassian receiving a good old wake up call. The guy outside of his first 3 games has done nothing.. This isn't a shot at the player, we know he is young and very inconsistent but at some point you figure something has to be done? I couldn't care less if the guy scored a single point the rest of the year if he was providing a gritty crash and bang game every night but he's not. Maybe a stern message would do him some good.

Some of the responses in this thread are ridiculous, some ppl take offense if you at all criticize this team or any player which is ludicrous. Kassian will be a good player for us down the road, but right now he is not providing a whole lot.


When the OP starts off with an idea that is impossible because the rules state so then yeah it's pretty stupid.
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It is not my intent to get in circular arguments with anybody. The reason i have avoided saying anything specific is because i know you or someone else will attempt to find an alternate explanation to my points which i intern will have to defend. I see no point in getting involved with the circular argument that is already well under way in this thread. I simply intended to voice my opinion on the subject. In the end either you accept the possibility of corruption and conspiracy or you don't.

Also i find your comments to be very childish. Does taking what i say out of context, paraphrasing and misquoting it make you feel good about yourself? Grow up.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 06:22 AM

I think Kassian is a victim of the slumping Vancouver Canucks rather than the other way around. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until the team isn't playing so useless anymore. Its not really fair to single the new guy out who's just trying to find his role on a team that has completely lost its swagger.

With AV line juggling the way he is, breaking up lines that have chemistry and keeping others that don't like some sort of retarded puppet master the entire team is looking a little lost out there.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 08:47 AM

Actually Cody was clutch this year in the games we needed him there is no reason to suggest he couldnt be an impact player.
He got two assists in yesterdays game against tampa...he could be finding his form...He has been a captain and top elite player at every stage of his career so there is a good chance he will do the same as a sabre.


Playoffs for the last time are a whole other level. He would have physically gotten destroyed and so worn down that his dad would have called management and told them to take him out. BOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO

The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


The idiocy on CDC....

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 10:17 AM

I don't want Kassian running around throwing hits and bruising up his body until the playoffs start. Anything that might make him less than 100% for the postseason simply isn't worth it.

He should be concentrating on developing plays and chemistry with Lapierre now - not on headhunting in some meaningless games.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:55 PM

This is why we need to bring back the Minus button ...
Seriously I am on the verge of gorilla backhand pimpslapping the next person that brings up comparisons of CoHo and Kass! It's so frustrating reading CDC sometimes with these kind of topics lol ...

Also, no we did not trade a 3rd line centre for a 4th line winger, we traded a 3rd line center for another 3rd line centre (Pahlsson) who is more suited for that role AND got a bonus big guy with the potential to become the poor man's Bertuzzi that can hit and be physical for any of our lines.

There are way too many "What if" scenarios to even begin to break it down.
What if Hodgson is shutdown in the playoffs because he isn't tough enough? Would you be crying for us to have traded him for a bigger guy then?
What if Burrows is injured, I'd rather have a big guy on their wing then another soft passer.
What if the entire team gets shoved around and bullied, would you have preferred that we have Hodgson step up for the twins?
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