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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:20 AM

That would be a paradox for me

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:22 AM

That would be a paradox for me


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:33 AM

New forum = no formatting


Lemme guess, on mobile?

You don't find Scarlette Johanssen attractive?



Not if she be smoking a cigarette
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:57 AM

Smokers are the shallowest people. They started smoking, because their friends pressured them into it. They will never get an ounce of sympathy out of me.

Second hand smoke is dangerous for kids under 12, and has been proven to reduce lung compacity, and cause a number other of issues later in life.


Second hand smoke would be a neglible contributor to airborn pollution. You want better lung capacity, start by banning cars.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:00 AM

Can't drink in public? Shouldn't be able to smoke either.


Can smoke (and certainly not limited to cigarettes) in public? Should be able to drink in public as well.

Anyone using our liquor laws as a guide is out to lunch.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:05 AM

lol, I'm imagining how much more ripped apart the op would be getting if he lived in Quebec. If you get offended by smokers when you walk down the street maybe you should stop leaving your house.

Edited by Ashbury17, 29 March 2012 - 11:06 AM.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:08 AM

hot girl smoking a cigarette


No such thing.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:08 AM

There's a difference between smoking cigs and driving cars, you see. The former is not necessary at all while the latter is (for some people at the very least)

Try a different comparison, yeah?

Imo it should be treated the same as alcohol consumption.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:13 AM

OP. I would love for you to go anywhere outside Vancouver and complain. Pick any city in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, Europe etc. and just observe how well non-smokers have it on the West Coast of North America. I think only San Fransico is the only city ahead of Vancouver for its persecution of smokers. Even in places such as Oslo or Stockholm, people smoke all over, even in cafes outside.

If you wish, however, I can send you some goggles and a nose plug, or perhaps even a gas mask.


wtf you can't smoke on patios outside coffee shops in Vancouver? That city is insane with their smoking laws. In Montreal they bring you a nice little ash tray with your coffee.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:16 AM

I would say yes to ban it publicly if only to ensure that if marijuana gets legalized it too will be banned the same way.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:27 AM

There's a difference between smoking cigs and driving cars, you see. The former is not necessary at all while the latter is (for some people at the very least)

Try a different comparison, yeah?

Imo it should be treated the same as alcohol consumption.


Who are you to decide what's necesary? The overwhelming majority of driving is NOT necesary.

Alchohol and tobacco should be regulated as absolutely little as possible so long as the safety of the public is maintained. It's fair enough to not expect to have to work in a hazy smoke filled enviroment and we should expect people behind the wheel to be sober. Fair enough.

The nazis trying to stop you from having a smoke or enjoy a glass of wine on the beach have go to go.......

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:28 AM

I think smokers should be banned from public transit and elevators.
Nothing worse then being in a confined space with a fleece jacket wearing smoker who just put his cig out and stands next to you.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:31 AM

I think smokers should be banned from public transit and elevators.
Nothing worse then being in a confined space with a fleece jacket wearing smoker who just put his cig out and stands next to you.


Going to ban perfume, shampoo, conditioner, deodorant, leather jackets, hand lotion, anyone who has had garlic for lunch while you're at it?

Nothing worse then being in a confined space with someone who is fresh from the salon, the shower, lunch, the gym or the washroom and stands next to you. See how silly that sounds?

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:41 AM

Going to ban perfume, shampoo, conditioner, deodorant, leather jackets, hand lotion, anyone who has had garlic for lunch while you're at it?

Nothing worse then being in a confined space with someone who is fresh from the salon, the shower, lunch, the gym or the washroom and stands next to you. See how silly that sounds?


Nope - most of those don't contain carcinogens.

In other words, none of them affect my health like the chemicals from a cigarrette.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:43 AM

Who are you to decide what's necesary? The overwhelming majority of driving is NOT necesary.

Alchohol and tobacco should be regulated as absolutely little as possible so long as the safety of the public is maintained. It's fair enough to not expect to have to work in a hazy smoke filled enviroment and we should expect people behind the wheel to be sober. Fair enough.

The nazis trying to stop you from having a smoke or enjoy a glass of wine on the beach have go to go.......


I never decided driving was necessary. It doesn't need some sort of decision from me to be so. And I did mention that it was at the very least necessary for some people (aka not everyone, the majority).


Going to ban perfume, shampoo, conditioner, deodorant, leather jackets, hand lotion, anyone who has had garlic for lunch while YOU'RE at it?

Nothing worse then being in a confined space with someone who is FRESH from the salon, the shower, lunch, the gym or the washroom and stands next to you. See how silly that sounds? :rolleyes:


FTFY

Edited by Dellins, 29 March 2012 - 11:45 AM.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:44 AM

Nope - most of those don't contain carcinogens.

In other words, none of them affect my health like the chemicals from a cigarrette.


Well, it seemed your post was referring more to the smell of smoke than the noxious cloud of carcinogens emanating from the fleece jacket of a smoker who had previously smoked a cigarette.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:49 AM

Well, it seemed your post was referring more to the smell of smoke than the noxious cloud of carcinogens emanating from the fleece jacket of a smoker who had previously smoked a cigarette.


Well, I guess in one way it's a blessing that it does smell as bad as it does (to us non smokers anyways) - kind of like a propane leak - run away if you smell it! ;)

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:49 AM

I never decided driving was necessary. It doesn't need some sort of decision from me to be so. And I did mention that it was at the very least necessary for some people (aka not everyone, the majority).




FTFY


Oh how very clever of you. :rolleyes: I'm guessing you've never read that thing in the CDC rules about editing other people's quoted posts, either?

Perhaps you should follow your own advice?

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Well, I guess in one way it's a blessing that it does smell as bad as it does (to us non smokers anyways) - kind of like a propane leak - run away if you smell it! ;)


:lol: I agree, it's not very difficult to pick out who the heavy smoker is when in a confined space.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:23 PM

Nope - most of those don't contain carcinogens.

In other words, none of them affect my health like the chemicals from a cigarrette.


Perfumes, deodorants, hand lotions, and any cooked foods do contain carcinogens. They, like the fumes coming from somene who has recently had a smoke, woudl be in extremely low quantities though.

Let's face it, it's no the health risk that concerns you, it's the "offensive odour".

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:52 PM

Perfumes, deodorants, hand lotions, and any cooked foods do contain carcinogens.  They, like the fumes coming from somene who has recently had a smoke, woudl be in extremely low quantities though.

Let's face it, it's no the health risk that concerns you, it's the "offensive odour".


I don't like the smell of someone after they've smoked but that doesn't bother me too much. They're the ones who smell like s**t. I DO have a problem with trying to take my daughter to the mall but I can't walk up to the door without walking through a bunch of hacking smokers filling her and my lungs with toxic secondhand smoke. Am I supposed to stop going out? Plus I HATE (I know this isn't all smokers, because some are really good about this) BUT I HATE when people stand right in front of the door. It's a minimum distance you have to stand from doors and windows.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:57 PM

Banning smoking in public is ridiculous. I quit recently (Xmas day was my last one, feeling better for sure) and the smoke tends to bug me a little but we just can't go around banning things that might be unhealthy for us or annoying.

If the argument is that it smells, then like many others have said we could argue to eliminate all colognes, perfumes, deodorants, most shampoos and soaps and plenty of other cosmetic type items. Not to mention vehicles, some food carts/restaurants etc. They make the city stink to all hell.

In terms of health risks, again vehicles could be mentioned, but what about things like alcohol, fast food/processed foods, and caffeine. Or things you don't ingest that are bad for you, like tanning salons.

It is far too slippery a slope to start imposing on free will like that. We are already seeing many instances of authoritative figures over stepping their boundaries on a regular basis. To start revoking more rights and freedoms will only make it easier for them to eventually take the ones we don't want gone.

We live in the second largest land mass country in the world, and we have the population roughly of California. We have plenty of space for everyone including smokers. No one is forcing you to snuggle with them for crying out loud. It's baffling sense of entitlement some of you seem to have, as if you can impose on things you perceive as an annoyance. Imagine if everyone got their way like that. Anything anyone ever perceived as annoying would be outlawed and made illegal. Absolutely ridiculous.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:00 PM

I don't like the smell of someone after they've smoked but that doesn't bother me too much. They're the ones who smell like s**t. I DO have a problem with trying to take my daughter to the mall but I can't walk up to the door without walking through a bunch of hacking smokers filling her and my lungs with toxic secondhand smoke. Am I supposed to stop going out? Plus I HATE (I know this isn't all smokers, because some are really good about this) BUT I HATE when people stand right in front of the door. It's a minimum distance you have to stand from doors and windows.


I agree with those as well as, I ride a motorbike and I hate it when smokers toss their butts out the window - I've had 1 land in my lap after it bounce on the road and over my bars....

Note: just to add, yes I hate the smell as well, but part of my anti smoking attitude that is due to the fact that I had an uncle die from lung cancer when I was younger...he was, as BB said, a very heavy smoker...

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:03 PM

As a long time smoker, I understand that other people do not want to be forced to inhale my cigarette smoke. I try very hard not to force people to be within my smoke cloud, if I'm walking down the side walk I will wait for people to pass before I take a puff and exhale, and will often hold my cigarette away from them. However, people have a choice of their own to make, that is if they want to come near a smoker. Don't come near me if you don't want to smell it. Even though I am courteous I still occasionally get dirty looks and comments from non smokers as they pass by. If a law is passed banning public smoking, I would also like a law passed banning nasty ass perfume that ladies wear, and banning loud music from cars or hand held radios, also ban the secondhand smoke being emitted from every single car. I'd be willing to bet that the long term health effects of car pollution is far more dangerous than the occasional times that you've walked past me smoking in the park.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:04 PM

Banning smoking in public is ridiculous. I quit recently (Xmas day was my last one, feeling better for sure) and the smoke tends to bug me a little but we just can't go around banning things that might be unhealthy for us or annoying.

If the argument is that it smells, then like many others have said we could argue to eliminate all colognes, perfumes, deodorants, most shampoos and soaps and plenty of other cosmetic type items. Not to mention vehicles, some food carts/restaurants etc. They make the city stink to all hell.

In terms of health risks, again vehicles could be mentioned, but what about things like alcohol, fast food/processed foods, and caffeine. Or things you don't ingest that are bad for you, like tanning salons.

It is far too slippery a slope to start imposing on free will like that. We are already seeing many instances of authoritative figures over stepping their boundaries on a regular basis. To start revoking more rights and freedoms will only make it easier for them to eventually take the ones we don't want gone.

We live in the second largest land mass country in the world, and we have the population roughly of California. We have plenty of space for everyone including smokers. No one is forcing you to snuggle with them for crying out loud. It's baffling sense of entitlement some of you seem to have, as if you can impose on things you perceive as an annoyance. Imagine if everyone got their way like that. Anything anyone ever perceived as annoying would be outlawed and made illegal. Absolutely ridiculous.


It's not the annoying - like I said, it's the health concern, especially for our children...I'm sure you wouldn't want me spraying bleach on you as you went to enter a building...

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:08 PM

Im a smoker in the process of quiting (for my health not to appease ) But when I do (did) smoke in public i tried to be as courteous as possible ie; no smoking in bus shelters,by entrances near young children/babies or anyone if possible.But lots of people are inconsiderate smoker or no.So no to a public wide ban yes to the restrictions that are in place now.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:19 PM

It's not the annoying - like I said, it's the health concern, especially for our children...I'm sure you wouldn't want me spraying bleach on you as you went to enter a building...

It's not the annoying - like I said, it's the health concern, especially for our children...I'm sure you wouldn't want me spraying bleach on you as you went to enter a building...


First of all comparing a wiff of smoke going by your face to getting sprayed in the face with bleach is absolutely moronic. So your argument is already invalid.....but I shall proceed anyway with a response. However I will say that if you don't see the dramatic differences between being sprayed with bleach in the face and a bit of 2nd hand smoke, then I fear hope for you may already be lost.


Now in terms of health concerns for children.....With that mentality how dare you take your child out to breathe the city air. The cars that drive past your house are doing far more damage, unless of course you don't allow your child to play outside without his/her plastic bubble dome.

You should never allow your child to eat anything that isn't organic either as most foods today have some type of deadly pesticide, chemical, colouring, or additive in it. I seriously doubt the lunch you pack to school daily for your child is 100% organic and chemical, pesticide etc free. Also don't ever let them eat barbecue, carcinogens all over anything like that, especially from a restaurant.

Did you know there is also a chemical that you absorb from receipts that many specialists say can trigger obesity and depression? Those are two pretty big killers there. Don't let your children touch receipts people! It's worse than 2nd hand smoke.

Basically I just want to point out that we live in a world where almost anything brings a health consequence with it now a days. Smoking is merely one of those things. You cannot change that things are going to be bad for us when we live in a world full of synthetics and man made crap. Stop focusing on the negative and the minor irritants and go ENJOY YOUR FREAKING LIFE.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:27 PM

First of all comparing a wiff of smoke going by your face to getting sprayed in the face with bleach is absolutely moronic. So your argument is already invalid.....but I shall proceed anyway with a response. However I will say that if you don't see the dramatic differences between being sprayed with bleach in the face and a bit of 2nd hand smoke, then I fear hope for you may already be lost.


Now in terms of health concerns for children.....With that mentality how dare you take your child out to breathe the city air. The cars that drive past your house are doing far more damage, unless of course you don't allow your child to play outside without his/her plastic bubble dome.

You should never allow your child to eat anything that isn't organic either as most foods today have some type of deadly pesticide, chemical, colouring, or additive in it. I seriously doubt the lunch you pack to school daily for your child is 100% organic and chemical, pesticide etc free. Also don't ever let them eat barbecue, carcinogens all over anything like that, especially from a restaurant.

Did you know there is also a chemical that you absorb from receipts that many specialists say can trigger obesity and depression? Those are two pretty big killers there. Don't let your children touch receipts people! It's worse than 2nd hand smoke.

Basically I just want to point out that we live in a world where almost anything brings a health consequence with it now a days. Smoking is merely one of those things. You cannot change that things are going to be bad for us when we live in a world full of synthetics and man made crap. Stop focusing on the negative and the minor irritants and go ENJOY YOUR FREAKING LIFE.


Need a smoke break?

Spraying someone with bleach is similar to second hand smoke. Both are known carcinogens.

I can do what you did.

There are many murders comitted every day so no one will mind if I take out the guy complaining about me smoking.

Yes, there are many sources of toxic chemicals in our world - that doesn't mean it's okay to continuing smoking where it directly affects another person.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:32 PM

anti smokers are exactly the same as Hitler

The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising thetobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.[6] The anti-tobacco movement did not have much effect in the early years of the Nazi regime and tobacco use increased between 1933 and 1939,[13] but smoking by military personnel declined from 1939 to 1945.[14] Even by the end of the 20th century, the anti-smoking movement in postwar Germany had not attained the influence of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign.[13]

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:05 PM

Need a smoke break?

Spraying someone with bleach is similar to second hand smoke. Both are known carcinogens.

I can do what you did.

There are many murders comitted every day so no one will mind if I take out the guy complaining about me smoking.

Yes, there are many sources of toxic chemicals in our world - that doesn't mean it's okay to continuing smoking where it directly affects another person.

Don't worry....be happy.


Like I said, I quit over three months ago so no need for a smoke break any longer. Your 'comparison' of "There are many murders comitted every day so no one will mind if I take out the guy complaining about me smoking." to my arguments barely even makes any sense. I'm saying there are too many things on this earth that can kill you or affect your health and that we need to focus on being happy and not stress the little things because stress will kill us quicker in the long run. You're saying it's okay to commit murder because, as you put it, "no one will mind". What a fantasy realm you must live in. How are Prince Caspian, Aslan the Lion and Edmund doing anyway?

Again I will point out that many of what I listed effects anyone in a public space, so yes you must allow smoking to continue or you must get rid of all of those that can affect the public. Good luck telling the world to get rid of their vehicles and their other vices. Healthy or not you are imposing on free will, which is one of the largest threats to Canada I could think of. Sure it seems small now with it just being smoking, but again I will say that it is one very slippery slope and I for one would rather allow people to keep their free will and not dance with the dangers of risking the loss of further rights and freedoms.

You attack the homeless, the drug addicts, the homosexuals, the sex trade workers, the smokers, the alcoholics, the drivers, the restaurants, etc. So tell em sir, who is going to be left to speak up for your freedom and rights when they get attacked? You seriously need to look at the long term affects and consequences of your actions and demands on what seem to be small arguments such as this one. It will snowball.

Edited by Magikal, 29 March 2012 - 02:09 PM.

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