Magikal Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Banning smoking in public is ridiculous. I quit recently (Xmas day was my last one, feeling better for sure) and the smoke tends to bug me a little but we just can't go around banning things that might be unhealthy for us or annoying. If the argument is that it smells, then like many others have said we could argue to eliminate all colognes, perfumes, deodorants, most shampoos and soaps and plenty of other cosmetic type items. Not to mention vehicles, some food carts/restaurants etc. They make the city stink to all hell. In terms of health risks, again vehicles could be mentioned, but what about things like alcohol, fast food/processed foods, and caffeine. Or things you don't ingest that are bad for you, like tanning salons. It is far too slippery a slope to start imposing on free will like that. We are already seeing many instances of authoritative figures over stepping their boundaries on a regular basis. To start revoking more rights and freedoms will only make it easier for them to eventually take the ones we don't want gone. We live in the second largest land mass country in the world, and we have the population roughly of California. We have plenty of space for everyone including smokers. No one is forcing you to snuggle with them for crying out loud. It's baffling sense of entitlement some of you seem to have, as if you can impose on things you perceive as an annoyance. Imagine if everyone got their way like that. Anything anyone ever perceived as annoying would be outlawed and made illegal. Absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I don't like the smell of someone after they've smoked but that doesn't bother me too much. They're the ones who smell like s**t. I DO have a problem with trying to take my daughter to the mall but I can't walk up to the door without walking through a bunch of hacking smokers filling her and my lungs with toxic secondhand smoke. Am I supposed to stop going out? Plus I HATE (I know this isn't all smokers, because some are really good about this) BUT I HATE when people stand right in front of the door. It's a minimum distance you have to stand from doors and windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtpasc Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 As a long time smoker, I understand that other people do not want to be forced to inhale my cigarette smoke. I try very hard not to force people to be within my smoke cloud, if I'm walking down the side walk I will wait for people to pass before I take a puff and exhale, and will often hold my cigarette away from them. However, people have a choice of their own to make, that is if they want to come near a smoker. Don't come near me if you don't want to smell it. Even though I am courteous I still occasionally get dirty looks and comments from non smokers as they pass by. If a law is passed banning public smoking, I would also like a law passed banning nasty ass perfume that ladies wear, and banning loud music from cars or hand held radios, also ban the secondhand smoke being emitted from every single car. I'd be willing to bet that the long term health effects of car pollution is far more dangerous than the occasional times that you've walked past me smoking in the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Banning smoking in public is ridiculous. I quit recently (Xmas day was my last one, feeling better for sure) and the smoke tends to bug me a little but we just can't go around banning things that might be unhealthy for us or annoying. If the argument is that it smells, then like many others have said we could argue to eliminate all colognes, perfumes, deodorants, most shampoos and soaps and plenty of other cosmetic type items. Not to mention vehicles, some food carts/restaurants etc. They make the city stink to all hell. In terms of health risks, again vehicles could be mentioned, but what about things like alcohol, fast food/processed foods, and caffeine. Or things you don't ingest that are bad for you, like tanning salons. It is far too slippery a slope to start imposing on free will like that. We are already seeing many instances of authoritative figures over stepping their boundaries on a regular basis. To start revoking more rights and freedoms will only make it easier for them to eventually take the ones we don't want gone. We live in the second largest land mass country in the world, and we have the population roughly of California. We have plenty of space for everyone including smokers. No one is forcing you to snuggle with them for crying out loud. It's baffling sense of entitlement some of you seem to have, as if you can impose on things you perceive as an annoyance. Imagine if everyone got their way like that. Anything anyone ever perceived as annoying would be outlawed and made illegal. Absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corleone Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Im a smoker in the process of quiting (for my health not to appease ) But when I do (did) smoke in public i tried to be as courteous as possible ie; no smoking in bus shelters,by entrances near young children/babies or anyone if possible.But lots of people are inconsiderate smoker or no.So no to a public wide ban yes to the restrictions that are in place now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magikal Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 It's not the annoying - like I said, it's the health concern, especially for our children...I'm sure you wouldn't want me spraying bleach on you as you went to enter a building... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 First of all comparing a wiff of smoke going by your face to getting sprayed in the face with bleach is absolutely moronic. So your argument is already invalid.....but I shall proceed anyway with a response. However I will say that if you don't see the dramatic differences between being sprayed with bleach in the face and a bit of 2nd hand smoke, then I fear hope for you may already be lost. Now in terms of health concerns for children.....With that mentality how dare you take your child out to breathe the city air. The cars that drive past your house are doing far more damage, unless of course you don't allow your child to play outside without his/her plastic bubble dome. You should never allow your child to eat anything that isn't organic either as most foods today have some type of deadly pesticide, chemical, colouring, or additive in it. I seriously doubt the lunch you pack to school daily for your child is 100% organic and chemical, pesticide etc free. Also don't ever let them eat barbecue, carcinogens all over anything like that, especially from a restaurant. Did you know there is also a chemical that you absorb from receipts that many specialists say can trigger obesity and depression? Those are two pretty big killers there. Don't let your children touch receipts people! It's worse than 2nd hand smoke. Basically I just want to point out that we live in a world where almost anything brings a health consequence with it now a days. Smoking is merely one of those things. You cannot change that things are going to be bad for us when we live in a world full of synthetics and man made crap. Stop focusing on the negative and the minor irritants and go ENJOY YOUR FREAKING LIFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 anti smokers are exactly the same as Hitler The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising thetobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.[6] The anti-tobacco movement did not have much effect in the early years of the Nazi regime and tobacco use increased between 1933 and 1939,[13] but smoking by military personnel declined from 1939 to 1945.[14] Even by the end of the 20th century, the anti-smoking movement in postwar Germany had not attained the influence of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign.[13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magikal Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Need a smoke break? Spraying someone with bleach is similar to second hand smoke. Both are known carcinogens. I can do what you did. There are many murders comitted every day so no one will mind if I take out the guy complaining about me smoking. Yes, there are many sources of toxic chemicals in our world - that doesn't mean it's okay to continuing smoking where it directly affects another person. Don't worry....be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Like I said, I quit over three months ago so no need for a smoke break any longer. Your 'comparison' of "There are many murders comitted every day so no one will mind if I take out the guy complaining about me smoking." to my arguments barely even makes any sense. I'm saying there are too many things on this earth that can kill you or affect your health and that we need to focus on being happy and not stress the little things because stress will kill us quicker in the long run. You're saying it's okay to commit murder because, as you put it, "no one will mind". What a fantasy realm you must live in. How are Prince Caspian, Aslan the Lion and Edmund doing anyway? Again I will point out that many of what I listed effects anyone in a public space, so yes you must allow smoking to continue or you must get rid of all of those that can effect the public. Good luck telling the world to get rid of their vehicles and their other vices. Healthy or not you are imposing on free will, which is one of the largest threats to Canada I could think of. Sure it seems small now with it just being smoking, but again I will say that it is one very slippery slope and I for one would rather allow people to keep their free will and not dance with the dangers of risking the loss of further rights and freedoms. You attack the homeless, the drug addicts, the homosexuals, the sex trade workers, the smokers, the alcoholics, the drivers, the restaurants, etc. So tell em sir, who is going to be left to speak up for your freedom and rights when they get attacked? You seriously need to look at the long term affects and consequences of your actions and demands on what seem to be small arguments such as this one. It will snowball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpcurtly Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I really couldn't care less about smoking in public. As long as you're not blowing smoke in my face, have at 'er! There is far worse smells than cigarettes, IMO(coming from an ex-smoker). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 anti smokers are exactly the same as Hitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 anti smokers are exactly the same as Hitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 The thread's been Godwinned..........and it only took 4 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 The thread's been Godwinned..........and it only took 4 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigneault's Timeout Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Be courteous and it's no big deal. Also, keep away from commonly frequented places (outside doors, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks since 77 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 You be courteous and I'll be courteous. Problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 It's not the annoying - like I said, it's the health concern, especially for our children...I'm sure you wouldn't want me spraying bleach on you as you went to enter a building... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magikal Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Why? I don't need to get rid of everything that affects our health at once. That would be asinine. You start with one at a time. My comparison makes barely any sense? Exactly - for that is exactly the comparison you made. Thanks for proving that. PS: Sorry, missed where you said you quit. Congrats and stick with it - I've been told you need up to 2 years to be free from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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