louielouie1 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Whoops, double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louielouie1 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Well, the reason why Schneider is still here and has played a good chunk of games is so he is playoff ready to take over for Lu if he chokes. AV recognizes his job could be on the line this year. He has NO choice but to play the hotter goalie and he will. Lu played like HELL in the finals on the road, it was unacceptable. He showed signs of mental weakness against Chicago and Boston, he has to get over it. With Thomas having a record breaking year last year, it was questionable if we would have figured him out anyways had Lu stood on his head in Boston, but really does make you wonder if he had played incredible on the road too, would that have amped up the players more? We were taken out of game 7 pretty quickly with a softie on Lu. Now, I'm not saying it was his fault entirely, but you have to think his players may have lost a little confidence in him in the finals at times. I am a Lu fan, but he's got to overcome some of his mental weaknesses in the playoffs and just stay on his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistaT Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I'm not sure exactly why, maybe with how he's been interviewing, but I really really believe Luongo is going to have a great playoffs. Now I think a lot of teams could win the Cup this year, but I do believe Lu will give us a shot to and if we lose it will be as a team not because of a goalie. luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 It's rather funny the extremes in this argument. The reality is he had some amazing games in the playoffs and some games we would have been better off hanging a jacket off a goal stick. He get's credit for the games he won standing on his head, but he has too eat the losses where he was a seive. You can't have it both ways. Regardless of the scoring. Thomas showed up every game and Lu only showed up for three. You don't need to be inhuman, but you need to be consistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I agree it'll define his career.. "as a Canuck".. but that's it. We all know if he leaves, he'll do better elsewhere.. they always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 In my book, Lou is a very good goalie , Schneider is a good goalie. We will win or lose in the playoffs as a team. the real question is , will Lou be the weakest link, I do not think so. Not all goals scored against are the fault of the goalie!! We all know lou can steal us a few wins, and thats the most I expect !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Drew Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Who says the Canucks are trying right now? Do you honestly think they're trying to blow off teams 5-0, 6-0, 7-0? No. Idiots. AND in my opinion, Vigneault had better put Kassian up with the Sedins in the playoffs, that is if Daniel is back which I'm sure he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XX_canucks33_XX Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 i hope av will give Schneid a chance to start in any playoff rounds. give more time for Luo to rest instead of him playing every playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 It will have to be: With both Sedins hurt (Henrik is obviously still feeling from the shot off his ankle a week or 3 ago), and Kesler hobbled still (he came back too early, won't be himself until a summer off - I guess?) , it will be GOALTENDING OR BUST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Defining moment in your eyes? I really don't think anyone season or playoffs defines a player's career. It's a team game. What if he loses this year but wins next year? What if the Canucks go out four straight but lose all the games 1-0 with a thousand shots against? Do you have the same mentality for the twins? Does this playoff define them? I think the expectations aren't as high this year as last so it might actually be a little easier for them but winning the cup is hard and most players and goalies never do it. If he doesn't win it doesn't mean he isn't a great goalie because clearly he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I'm not sure exactly why, maybe with how he's been interviewing, but I really really believe Luongo is going to have a great playoffs. Now I think a lot of teams could win the Cup this year, but I do believe Lu will give us a shot to and if we lose it will be as a team not because of a goalie. luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman44 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 A lot of people are going to be surprised if the Canucks go deep into the playoffs because of stellar goaltending. A lot of people aren't. So.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-side Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 mmmm....seems like i heard this exact same thread last year..maybe even the year before it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Its far easier for a Goalie to make or break a series than any other player. We have high expectations of Lu, but so we should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geebster Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I wouldn't say Hall of Fame class.. More like Mike Vernon, Tom Barrasso, Mike Richter class.. Good goalies who are always steady in the regular season, and have at least 1 cup. Not quite hall of fame, but will always be remembered as a solid, winning, good goaltender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rypper-37 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Last year was actually his time to shine. I see this year more as a redemption for last years game 7... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheels22 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Which one's of those are top 3 all time in save percentage? Or within reach of Patrick Roy's shutouts having played 300 less games. Vernon has SIX NHL shutouts...6. Tom Barrasso is a bit better but is a career 3.24 0.892 goalie...similar to Richter as well. I mean seriously, how underrated IS Luongo's career? You could say he's a better, more consistent regular season performer as compared to his post season and you would have SOME traction but even then it is not a perfect argument. But to say he is in the same class as Barrasso, Richter, or Vernon is to absolutely undervalue him. He has hall of fame numbers. Would Hasek be in the Hall of Fame had he not won with the Red Wings and only had his loss to Dallas in the Finals to his record? Of course he would. Why? On the back of mostly regular season dominance. You are free to look up the stats yourself, but Hasek was a more consistent performer in the season than the playoffs (albeit his 70 save shutout in quadruple overtime against a rookie Brodeur was pretty damn impressive...). Hasek has dominant numbers with similar ones between season and playoffs. Hasek is 0.921 in season, 0.925 in playoffs Luongo is 0.919 in season, 0.917 in playoffs Note: Both Luongo and Hasek have one thing in common, they both have their worst statistical spans inside a playoff run. That is, if you look at each individual season and each individual playoffs as a separate span then they both have their worst performances in playoff spans. Luongo is no Hasek but lets compare to Vernon, Richter, and Barrasso...Yea none of the 3 even topped 0.909 in the playoffs... So I would actually argue that Luongo is well ahead of the three you mentioned but about the same amount behind Hasek. However, he still falls in Hall of Fame territory based on pure stats alone (and regardless of what anyone here thinks, there are many who reached the Hall of Fame on regular season stats...theres a couple good examples in Buffalo if you wish to do your research). ------- To the point of the thread. I agree it has the potential to define him, as all playoffs and even seasons do but it cannot definitively define him, as many others have pointed out. He could play great and the team could fall short as in 2007 (0.947 in playoffs, eliminated second round) or he could be inconsistent. Following his career path it is actually uncertain what will happen, but one thing is for sure, he is one damn good goalie and we should appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edler's Mind Tricks Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I remember the EXACT same thread last year and... Uh.... Ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpunk Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 The way I look at last years SCF, at home in the games we won it was all because of Luongo and he gets the entire credit for them. But in the loses you fault Luo and the entire team. Basically our offense did nothing the entire series. They just credit for being bad the entire series. I don't know about anyone else, but if someone told me Lu would get 2 shutouts in the SCF, I would have laughed and said no freakin way. The evidence is clearly there of who should get the blame and credit, but very few Canucks fan clearly see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpunk Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Well, the reason why Schneider is still here and has played a good chunk of games is so he is playoff ready to take over for Lu if he chokes. AV recognizes his job could be on the line this year. He has NO choice but to play the hotter goalie and he will. Lu played like HELL in the finals on the road, it was unacceptable. He showed signs of mental weakness against Chicago and Boston, he has to get over it. With Thomas having a record breaking year last year, it was questionable if we would have figured him out anyways had Lu stood on his head in Boston, but really does make you wonder if he had played incredible on the road too, would that have amped up the players more? We were taken out of game 7 pretty quickly with a softie on Lu. Now, I'm not saying it was his fault entirely, but you have to think his players may have lost a little confidence in him in the finals at times. I am a Lu fan, but he's got to overcome some of his mental weaknesses in the playoffs and just stay on his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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