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#31 Gollumpus

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:29 PM

I give the Canucks a lot of credit for how they have dealt with Raymond. In other organizations he may well have already been moved, one way or another.

The biggest issue with Raymond is that his contract was signed with the expectation of him continuing to score as he had in '09 - '10. Obviously he has not lived up to those expectations, back injury not withstanding. Raymond has performed fairly well in other aspects of his game, but not $2.55 million worth.

The next problem is that the team has gotten better with regard to the top-9 wingers currently on the roster. Raymond is not a more desirable option on left wing than D. Sedin, Booth and Higgins, and on the right side there's Burrows and Hansen. The only guy who he might play ahead of on the right wing is Kassian, but only if there was a good reason to make Kassian a healthy scratch, and that window of opportunity for Raymond to show he can still do it is very small. And after the season ends, there will be additional competion from within the organization or via trades or free agent signings.

Playing Raymond on the 4th line just doesn't make sense for the team's cap, and it would make even less sense to keep him around in the press box for injury relief. If one wishes to argue that Malhotra is making $2.5 million and playing on the 4th line, I'd suggest that Raymond has nowhere near the value of Malhotra, even if he is currently playing wing on the 4th line. In addition, depending upon what the team does with Pahlsson in the off season, Malhotra could well be back as 3rd line center next season.

Raymond will likely be a healthy scratch during most, if not all of the playoffs (assuming Sedin's return and no significant injuries to other forwards, or instances of really crappy play). If Raymond does get a shot and plays very well (more than likely on the 4th line), then that might mean that the team will give him one last look.

I'm assuming he will be traded after the season ends, likely for a pick.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:34 PM

I'd say his worth is near zero at this point. He needs 2 years including playoffs of top six level performance. This is to make up for this year and last years poor play.

Otherwise he is just a speedy perimeter third liner
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#33 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:11 PM

He's a +9 while scoring very little and playing on the third line with a defensively crappy Cody Hodgson (for the majority of the season). If you watch the guy, you will see that he has a very active stick on defense and makes key stick checks to prevent goals.

I'd rather have that and balance out lack of scoring than the opposite.


Exactly my point. Cody and Raymond were put in the easiest of situations under AV because they couldn't/can't be trusted in key moments in the defensive zone. The 'defensively crappy' Cody Hodgson was +8 as a Canuck & Raymond is +9, not because of their defensive ability, but because of the situations coach V puts them in.

Is Raymond's value high because he has an active stick? I doubt it - especially when you consider he has only 17 takeaways, which is pretty mediocre.

Like I said, Raymond has little-to-no value to Vancouver, he might have some on a team desperate for a better PKer, some speed or desperate for some scoring and hopeful that Raymond can get back on the right path to a 25-30 speedy goal scorer.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:35 PM

raymonds value is only high to teams that desperatly need offence. Raymond will be part of the 2012 1st round exit package deal thats gillis is now working on

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:13 PM

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:17 PM

3rd rounder.


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:15 PM

Raymond SUCKS in the playoffs. That's my biggest problem with him.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:22 PM

I think he is one of the five fastest NHL players, if not THE fastest, but I wish he would stop falling down.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:26 PM

Basically if we re-sign Raymond, there would be no room for Schroeder as Schroeder is basically Raymond v.2 but better

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:23 AM

3rd rounder.


3rd rounder? I'd take that in a heart beat but unfortunately it's just not going to happen. You might find a team to take him off our hands but it wouldn't be for anything other than a very late round pick or a very marginal prospect which at this point, I'd also take in a heart beat.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:28 AM

Wellwood has more value, OP you dont have any hockey sense....Raymond has nothing and will be nothing...time to develop a draft pick or trade for one.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

his value is like our penny, soon out of circulation!

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:30 PM

Basically if we re-sign Raymond, there would be no room for Schroeder as Schroeder is basically Raymond v.2 but better


No not even close Mason is a Nhl top 6 Jordan schroeder is a ahl top player. He may have good potential but hes not better then raymond :picard:
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:54 PM

A full time AHL player and a bag of golden pucks!

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:57 PM

No not even close Mason is a Nhl top 6 Jordan schroeder is a ahl top player. He may have good potential but hes not better then raymond :picard:
Vancouver is trying to build a cup winner NOW.


Although I agree that Raymond might be better right now, he's also a few years older and much more expensive but Schroeder has more upside. Raymond has also proven to NOT be a top 6 on this team, so if we're going to build a cup winner now, then neither player are going to help us do that.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:12 PM

I would be happy if the Canucks got back anything for him. Even a minor leaguer. If it was a 2nd round pick/prospect, great.

You know, a bag of pucks would be a fair return too.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:06 PM

Raymond used to be a very good 3rd liner, decent 2nd liner. Now is a decent 3rd liner, bad 4th liner.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

Raymond fractured his spine.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:13 PM

If canucks can get something for him in the offseason I wouldnt mind it, otherwise we can wait until the trade deadline and see if he can make an improvement.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:28 PM

his value is low

which is really going to help them as far as resigning him

i think raymond still has it , hes broke his fingers the season before last and this last season is coming off an injury that could have ended his career

i dont think he deserved a spot in the line up , but a good summer and a good training camp , playing for a low amount of cash i think the pressure will really be off him and he'll have the training needed to have a way WAY better season then his last 2

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:49 PM

I'm sick of the injury excuses. Raymond has been well below average for 2 years now. He's had one good year out of 5 or 6. Is that what kind of player that we want on this team? Also, for those apologists who keep defending him and using his injuries as an excuse, you know who you are, did you ever think that maybe if you're going to use the injuries as an excuse that maybe he's injury prone?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:58 PM

Im just done on the raymond project. yea, he has worth, he may even improve next season after having the summer off, but truly, I dont care. If he does great next season or not, if he ends up being a 10, 20, 30 goal scoarer, great for him, I still want him off our team. Id like to run with someone else. Raymond has had plenty of ice time and hasnt got it done and not just this year, but for several years..
Id rather start anew and get some new blood in there.. Raymond is done afaic.

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