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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:39 AM

Now before I start, I'd like to state I'm not the perfect driver, in fact there's no such thing as a perfect driver, there's only good and bad. I've made mistakes before and have bad habits like others but I know whats right from wrong and boy... do a lot of people not know whats wrong.

Its been building up in me for a long time now but it was the worse yesterday. When I was driving up to Cypress to go skiing, I just couldn't believe how awful, poorly educated and inconsiderate drivers are.

I start my list with this:

Highway drivers are hands down the worst in Vancouver and this could be said about most of North America too, but its the worse here. I've never seen anything like this in any other place I've been too, especially in Europe where I've seen the best drivers in the world.

-My #1 problem is all the people who stay in the passing lane on the left and than continue on without returning to the right lane after they passed someone going extremely slow, allowing all the cars on the right to pass them. Getting stuck behind these people is the most annoying thing in the world especially since I don't want to be a hypocrite and pass them on the right cause you're not allowed. So I usually flash them with my highbeams but they never understand and started flipping me off like I'm in the wrong :picard: , they're the reason traffic is so slow.

-People who drive with their highbeams on at night, how stupid, inconsiderate and how dangerous do you have to be to do this. I saw at least 10 cars on the highway doing this last night

-When in traffic on the highway, instead of everyone keeping a 2 car distance they all decide to pull up right behind you than constantly braking making the traffic stop and go. If you keep your distance than it will be a constant flow without braking.

-Letting people on and off the on ramp. I swear every traffic jam on the highway here is because of aggresive people who either don't let in the drivers by squeezing right up to the back of the car in front of them or completely slowing down cause the person on the on ramp doesn't know how to speed up to get to highway speeds :picard:

-People who pull out of a street in front of you when there's NO ONE behind you and then continue on proceeding at a low speed, making you need to brake. Awful judgement.

-People who don't use their signals, especially when you're behind them and they don't use it until they fully stop, leaving you stuck behind them.

-People who don't know how to read signs for when the times you are or not allowed to turn left or go in a lane. For example the HOV lane, I find it hilarious how when there's traffic at night after 7, no one uses the HOV lane cause they cannot read the sign that it stopped at 7pm or when someone turns left during the time you're not allowed.

-Texting and driving. Now I don't care about talking on your phone cause holding it isn't the problem, the problem is you get distracted with the talking part, through a headset or just holding the phone, it doesn't matter how you do it. That part of the law is poorly thought out. As for texting, I find it sickening how people could text while going 50+ km's not looking at the road. Most dangerous thing ever, but I'm not gonna lie I've done it too but I've never done it while I'm driving, only when I'm at a full stop at a red light and I know that's no better but at least I can't harm anyone at a red light.

-Stop signs. I got hit a month after I got my 1st car because some lady decided it was unneccesary to use a stop sign, hiting me right on the passenger door. I don't care how you do it, rolling stop or full stop, just don't go flying through the stop sign.

-When I'm trying to parallel park and people go right up to you as I want to reverse in :picard:

I can probably think of many more but to do that I'd have to go on the road to notice people's awful habbits. That was my rant.

If you have anything else, please feel free to add.

Edited by warmplate, 31 March 2012 - 10:40 AM.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:44 AM

People that are right turning and don't pull into the curb lane. Instead, they slow down and stop in the middle of the two.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:47 AM

have ever driven on number 3 road in richmond?????
most dangerous road in BC

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:49 AM

have ever driven on number 3 road in richmond?????
most dangerous road in BC


THIS !!

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:50 AM

People that are right turning and don't pull into the curb lane. Instead, they slow down and stop in the middle of the two.


That ones another one of my favorites :picard:

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:51 AM

aberdeen mall parking lot is the tightest parking lot i've been to. its so small, you can barely move around in there.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:54 AM

Well, I've been a courier for about 5 years now, and I can say for a fact the majority of people are awful, scary, stupid drivers.
My route is in the downtown eastside, and surrounding areas, and it's ridiculous how many times people have almost crashed into me from running their stop sign, assuming I have one, or people just stopping when they don't have a stop sign, causing me to have to make quick reactions that I shouldn't be making.
I've come to peace with it, I used to be a lot more cynical, and angry, but I guess I've just grown to not care too much.
I promised my girlfriend if we ever won the lottery I'd open up a free driving school for people, haha.

Anyways, my pet peeve is people who are driving trucks, or vans that think they're actually driving 18 wheelers, and go out wide a bit for their turns.
I drive a 14 foot truck... I RARELY ever have to go out wide, and I do so safely, not just sporadically.
Your 9 foot van sure as hell doesn't need to.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:56 AM

Well, I've been a courier for about 5 years now, and I can say for a fact the majority of people are awful, scary, stupid drivers.
My route is in the downtown eastside, and surrounding areas, and it's ridiculous how many times people have almost crashed into me from running their stop sign, assuming I have one, or people just stopping when they don't have a stop sign, causing me to have to make quick reactions that I shouldn't be making.
I've come to peace with it, I used to be a lot more cynical, and angry, but I guess I've just grown to not care too much.
I promised my girlfriend if we ever won the lottery I'd open up a free driving school for people, haha.

Anyways, my pet peeve is people who are driving trucks, or vans that think they're actually driving 18 wheelers, and go out wide a bit for their turns.
I drive a 14 foot truck... I RARELY ever have to go out wide, and I do so safely, not just sporadically.
Your 9 foot van sure as hell doesn't need to.


How did I forget this one :lol:

Its even better when they do it with a car.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:57 AM

People who think drivers here are bad compared to elsewhere haven't a clue.

Try Toronto or NY or Montreal or Mumbai or Manila Or Bangkok.

STFU.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 10:59 AM

People who think drivers here are bad compared to elsewhere haven't a clue.

Try Toronto or NY or Montreal or Mumbai or Manila Or Bangkok.

STFU.

Have a great day.


You probably qualify for all these qualities I have posted.

So ignorant.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:05 AM

People who think drivers here are bad compared to elsewhere haven't a clue.

Try Toronto or NY or Montreal or Mumbai or Manila Or Bangkok.

STFU.

Have a great day.


I've lived in 3 of those places and driven in 4 of them.

You don't have a clue

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:07 AM

I grew up along #3 Road. Nothing makes me more sad than seeing the town I grew up in turn into one big mess. Richmond is a case study in over-development, and poor planning.

All those developers that made money in Richmond, don't live in Richmond.

Back to the roads. I agree with the OP's rant about merging. How can something be so simple be so messed up with folks here.
Leave a car length or two in front and back and we ALL move. No slinky-effect. Everyone should be in the right lane on highways unless you want to pass.

I would also appreciate people making left turns at intersections especially now that we are entering spring and summer. Please be cautious (even more so than before). Motorcycles being stuck in blind spots is bad enough, but there's nothing more scary to a rider than a guy seeing a gap in traffic making a left hand turn heading right for my motorcycle.

I am finding two types of other road users whom I never had a problem with before turning into arrogant jerks. Cyclists and pedestrians. Now if a light is red or you're told NOT TO WALK, people are disregarding signs (And with cyclists traffic laws) they just go anyway. Worse still are the gits on scooters who think that traffic laws don't apply either and ride a scooter like it's a bicycle!
My rule of thumb if you're on two wheels behave like a car. No one thinks your cool because you're on your bike and balancing at a red light. I don't care. I care however when you ride through a red light and cause an accident.

I think it all comes down to training. People are going to driving schools to learn to pass the tests, not be a better driver. My driving skills and riding skills jumped up significantly when I went to Pacific Riding School. Dat and Kramer emphasize SURVIVAL. Two of them are probably the best instructors I ever had. Riding a motorcycle gives you a new perspective on how bad drivers can be, and what it's really like on the road. You feel every bump, every imperfection on the road, and you're constantly on your guard.

I really think there needs to be a serious review of driving schools and they need to train drivers skills to not just pass the road test(s), but to avoid accidents and improve skills. Young Driver's seems to train students the right way, why can't others do the same?


P.S.
Toronto is bad, especially the 401. But the drivers there all drive the same way, so it's sort of predictable. Here you don't know what the hell you're facing, because everyone's styles are so erratic.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:11 AM

How did I forget this one :lol:

Its even better when they do it with a car.

Here's a good one.
You stop at your stop sign. Another person heads to the intersection, who doesn't have a stop sign, stops, and "waves you in", setting me up for impending doom, as at any point any car could come out and t-bone me creating an accident at my fault.

I've literally sat at a stop sign for 15 seconds refusing to go for these freaking morons.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:14 AM

People who think drivers here are bad compared to elsewhere haven't a clue.

Try Toronto or NY or Montreal or Mumbai or Manila Or Bangkok.

STFU.

Have a great day.


Mentions Manila, Mumbai and Bangkok

Doesn't realize he's mentioned 60% of the drivers in Vancouver.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:15 AM

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:18 AM

One of my biggest pet peeves is a driver who feels the need to drift into the left lane in order to make a wide right turn. You aren't driving a semi-trailer truck!

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:21 AM

I grew up along #3 Road. Nothing makes me more sad than seeing the town I grew up in turn into one big mess. Richmond is a case study in over-development, and poor planning.

All those developers that made money in Richmond, don't live in Richmond.

Back to the roads. I agree with the OP's rant about merging. How can something be so simple be so messed up with folks here.
Leave a car length or two in front and back and we ALL move. No slinky-effect. Everyone should be in the right lane on highways unless you want to pass.

I would also appreciate people making left turns at intersections especially now that we are entering spring and summer. Please be cautious (even more so than before). Motorcycles being stuck in blind spots is bad enough, but there's nothing more scary to a rider than a guy seeing a gap in traffic making a left hand turn heading right for my motorcycle.

I am finding two types of other road users whom I never had a problem with before turning into arrogant jerks. Cyclists and pedestrians. Now if a light is red or you're told NOT TO WALK, people are disregarding signs (And with cyclists traffic laws) they just go anyway. Worse still are the gits on scooters who think that traffic laws don't apply either and ride a scooter like it's a bicycle!
My rule of thumb if you're on two wheels behave like a car. No one thinks your cool because you're on your bike and balancing at a red light. I don't care. I care however when you ride through a red light and cause an accident.

I think it all comes down to training. People are going to driving schools to learn to pass the tests, not be a better driver. My driving skills and riding skills jumped up significantly when I went to Pacific Riding School. Dat and Kramer emphasize SURVIVAL. Two of them are probably the best instructors I ever had. Riding a motorcycle gives you a new perspective on how bad drivers can be, and what it's really like on the road. You feel every bump, every imperfection on the road, and you're constantly on your guard.

I really think there needs to be a serious review of driving schools and they need to train drivers skills to not just pass the road test(s), but to avoid accidents and improve skills. Young Driver's seems to train students the right way, why can't others do the same?


P.S.
Toronto is bad, especially the 401. But the drivers there all drive the same way, so it's sort of predictable. Here you don't know what the hell you're facing, because everyone's styles are so erratic.


Parents teaching their kids is unnexcetable. Some are great and some are bad but you have that case where parents only teach the basics. Fortunetly for me, I was taught by a family friend who has been a driving instructor all his career.

As for ICBC driving tests, those need to be tougher. Its absolutely ridiculous how some of my friends have their licenses and I even tell them.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

Add Kerrisdale (around 41st and West boulevard) and UBC to the list of places with horrible drivers. I've seen way to too many cases where some dumb bimbo just stops in the middle of the road looking for directions, driving over or in the middle of two lanes.

I hate high-beamers, tailgaters, people who drive over the line in two lanes, people who don't look when they turn from a small road into a big road, dumb-asses that don't know to slow down when theres black ice on the road and not try to go from 60-0 and stop on a dime in a Yaris.

Cars that don't let pedestrians, even when they're only going like 20 in a parking lot (happened in Richmond many times), Bikes that think they are cars and pedestrians simultaneously, people who drive on the wrong side of the road in lanes, people who drive like 30km/h below the speed limit, etc.etc.

I got more, just can't think of them now.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:31 AM

Drivers and pedestrians that think a red light means a pedestrian can't cross the street...the intersections that have the pedestrian activated light.

There's a freakin' stop sign. You're suppose to stop and yield to pedestrians.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:35 AM

I've lived in 3 of those places and driven in 4 of them.

You don't have a clue


I have driven in all of these places.

You "sir" are the clueless one.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 11:55 AM

I have driven in all of these places.

You "sir" are the clueless one.


Vancouver drivers couldn't get away with the stupid crap they do here in other cities, we've got the worst drivers in North America for sure, definitely worse than Europe. In Asia they play by different rules but at least they're consistent, they've just got too many vehicles on the road and not the infrastructure to support it.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:07 PM

I've been a 10 ton truck driver for 5 years now, with my first 3 being downtown. You learn really fast to pick your battles and save your anger for the ones that really count, otherwise you'd go crazy with the amount of horrible things I see everyday.

Last night, southbound through the tunnel, both lanes are going 80km. Nobody that passes another car, going 1km faster then them, bothers moving over and instead clog everything up. Slowly everyone creeps up to 100km by the first overpass. Normally I'd pass on the temporary 3rd lane on the left, but the line of cars fills the entire thing. By the Hwy 10 exit I finally get an opportunity to pass. In the right lane. I swear I passed 10 cars all on my left before reaching the first car on the right. During this passing, I was going 120km. As I was, a few decide all of a sudden, that they too also want to drive at that speed. So I'm forced to go 130km just to distance myself from these horrible, obliviously dangerous, drivers.

If there's no one in front of you, move to the right. If you can't move to the right because there's someone beside you, you're going too slow. You're in the PASSING LANE. Pass and move over. It doesn't matter if you're going 200km/hr. The same rules apply. Pass and move over. You are not the "speed" police. If you need to exit on the left and it's more then 5minutes away, move over.

Driving beside another car is the most dangerous place you can be on the road. Blind spots lead to accidents. You may think you're being safe by driving beside that semi truck, but you're an idiot. This is probably the most dangerous thing you could be doing. Especially semi trucks. In the rain. For the love of god, PASS.

Downtown there's a curb lane with no parking allowed near cross streets for a reason. If you want to turn off the street, move into the curb lane first, then make your turn. If you do not do this, the ass of your car blocks my lane and I cannot move until you wait for the pedestrians to clear the street for you.

If you're driving 20km below the speed limit, in any lane, especially single lanes, I will ride your ass. You're the asshole, not me. Drive the speed limit.

The merging lane is just that, the merging lane. Speed up to the SAME speed as the lane you're merging with. It doesn't matter if that lane is speeding. Merge safely first at the same speed, then slow down to the limit if you so desire. Merge at the very end of the lane, especially in traffic. Nobody likes early mergers, because people just drive around them and everything gets out of whack and you piss the guy off you're merging in front of. Just drive to the end of the lane. You don't even have to signal. Everyone that has a clue will let you in willingly. If someone doesn't let you in willingly they're the asshole. The exception to that rule is if you're in a well known turn off lane, in traffic, that starts a long ways back. The people that merge near the front in a non merging lane are assholes, don't let them in.

That's all I've got for now, there's just too many.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:10 PM

Surrey has some wack drivers, too. They go 70 KPH+ everywhere (speed limit 50 KPH) except King George Hwy and Scott Rd where the speed limit is 60 KPH.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:10 PM

My favourite is stopping at a red light and waiting until it turns green before turning on the left turn signal leaving me stuck behind them.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:11 PM

I find it sad how the asian stereotype is true. Not to hate on them or anything, but every time someone reverses out of a parking space without doing a 360 degree turn and almost hits me, or cuts me off, or isn't even paying attention the road and runs a stop sign, or pulls infront of me on the highway then slams the brakes for no reason, or goes 50 on highway 1 east bound between 264 street and mcallum road aka the part of the highway that is never stalled..etc..etc it's always been an asian. Not saying other races don't do stupid things as well, just 9/10 it's been an asian person, and an older one too.

One of my pet peeves is people who swerve in and out of lanes for no reason. For example, I'll be driving along a road and some idiot behind me will go into the lane beside me speed up, pull infront of me again and we will end up meeting at the red light anyways. Does that extra 10 seconds really matter that much?

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:21 PM

If you're driving 20km below the speed limit, in any lane, especially single lanes,  I will ride your ass.  You're the asshole, not me.  Drive the speed limit.


I don't drive 20 below the speed limit but you realize it is a right of a driver to do that right? The speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed. 80 in a 100 zone is legal. And you tailgating someone for driving in the SLOW lane for doing something legal is ignorant. I've driven a truck too for a few years and I never did dumb stuff like that. You had better hope you don't tailgate me. Because I'd make sure you are VERY VERY late to wherever you need to be so bad that you think it's okay to endanger the lives of others. If the person in the SLOW lane is not going fast enough for you, pass them.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:31 PM

I've been a 10 ton truck driver for 5 years now, with my first 3 being downtown. You learn really fast to pick your battles and save your anger for the ones that really count, otherwise you'd go crazy with the amount of horrible things I see everyday.

Last night, southbound through the tunnel, both lanes are going 80km. Nobody that passes another car, going 1km faster then them, bothers moving over and instead clog everything up. Slowly everyone creeps up to 100km by the first overpass. Normally I'd pass on the temporary 3rd lane on the left, but the line of cars fills the entire thing. By the Hwy 10 exit I finally get an opportunity to pass. In the right lane. I swear I passed 10 cars all on my left before reaching the first car on the right. During this passing, I was going 120km. As I was, a few decide all of a sudden, that they too also want to drive at that speed. So I'm forced to go 130km just to distance myself from these horrible, obliviously dangerous, drivers.

If there's no one in front of you, move to the right. If you can't move to the right because there's someone beside you, you're going too slow. You're in the PASSING LANE. Pass and move over. It doesn't matter if you're going 200km/hr. The same rules apply. Pass and move over. You are not the "speed" police. If you need to exit on the left and it's more then 5minutes away, move over.

Driving beside another car is the most dangerous place you can be on the road. Blind spots lead to accidents. You may think you're being safe by driving beside that semi truck, but you're an idiot. This is probably the most dangerous thing you could be doing. Especially semi trucks. In the rain. For the love of god, PASS.

Downtown there's a curb lane with no parking allowed near cross streets for a reason. If you want to turn off the street, move into the curb lane first, then make your turn. If you do not do this, the ass of your car blocks my lane and I cannot move until you wait for the pedestrians to clear the street for you.

If you're driving 20km below the speed limit, in any lane, especially single lanes, I will ride your ass. You're the asshole, not me. Drive the speed limit.

The merging lane is just that, the merging lane. Speed up to the SAME speed as the lane you're merging with. It doesn't matter if that lane is speeding. Merge safely first at the same speed, then slow down to the limit if you so desire. Merge at the very end of the lane, especially in traffic. Nobody likes early mergers, because people just drive around them and everything gets out of whack and you piss the guy off you're merging in front of. Just drive to the end of the lane. You don't even have to signal. Everyone that has a clue will let you in willingly. If someone doesn't let you in willingly they're the asshole. The exception to that rule is if you're in a well known turn off lane, in traffic, that starts a long ways back. The people that merge near the front in a non merging lane are assholes, don't let them in.

That's all I've got for now, there's just too many.


truckers are the best drivers out there.

pick up drivers, on the other hand, are ???? assholes. why do you ALL have to have your brights + fog lights on even with oncoming traffic? douchebags

well I'm sorry that gd is soo perfect


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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:36 PM

I don't drive 20 below the speed limit but you realize it is a right of a driver to do that right? The speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed. 80 in a 100 zone is legal. And you tailgating someone for driving in the SLOW lane for doing something legal is ignorant. I've driven a truck too for a few years and I never did dumb stuff like that. You had better hope you don't tailgate me. Because I'd make sure you are VERY VERY late to wherever you need to be so bad that you think it's okay to endanger the lives of others. If the person in the SLOW lane is not going fast enough for you, pass them.



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Many people are unaware that you can be ticketed for driving too slowly. You must drive at a speed that is consistent with the normal and reasonable movement of traffic. The only lawful excuse for failing to drive at a normal or reasonable speed is if it is unsafe to do so or if you are complying with the law. Other traffic does not always move reasonably in the circumstances. You are the best judge of what is safe for you and your vehicle.
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If you're alone on the road, drive at whatever speed you want. But if we're in traffic, it is not your right to drive unreasonably slow. 20km below, in traffic, is NOT reasonable.

You're part of the problem because you think you're right. Learn the rules of the road.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 12:51 PM

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If you're alone on the road, drive at whatever speed you want.  But if we're in traffic, it is not your right to drive unreasonably slow.  20km below, in traffic, is NOT reasonable.

You're part of the problem because you think you're right.  Learn the rules of the road.


80 Is not unreasonable. You'll never be pulled over for it and in fact in BC your vehicle only needs to be capable of traveling at 60 KPH on the 100 KPH highway. I rarely see people traveling at 80 in a 100 zone anyway and that leads me to believe that you're actually tailgating people who are doing between 90-110 when you're ripping down the highway trying to do 130.And 20 below in traffic is pretty fast. Have you ever driven highway 1 in traffic? You're lucky if you're doing 80!

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I'm saying Aladeen a lot because http://forum.canucks...dpost__10922428

I bet when Schneider turns 38, he will have broken all of Luongo's records.


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Posted 31 March 2012 - 01:04 PM

I hate it when its pissing rain or snowing and no one turns there lights on. And you know they are saying "I can see just fine." IT'S NOT SO YOU CAN SEE!!! It's so people can see you, especially drivers of larger vehicles who rely on their mirrors.

Also hate the merge lane people that slow down and people who, when turning left into a mall, don't realize that the people turning right into said mall have to yield to you....GO!!!
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