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Should You Tip For Bad Service At A Restaurant?

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As someone who doesn't really like going out to eat, doesn't really care for good service or ambiance, I'm not a big fan of tipping, especially as a student with over $30,000 in debt. I personally like my server to greet me, bring me a drink, take my order and bring my order. S/he can check up directly once (been told there is a 1 minute or 2 bite policy for servers to check in on their tables once the food has arrived) or otherwise hover around but keep an eye out for my table in case one of us needs something.

Having said that, I generally tip minimum 10% on the tax-included number (pretty foolish) and round up to a whole dollar. If service is fantastic, I tip around 20%. In between I will give around 15%. One of my best friends is a server at Milestones. He is the type of server who feels he is entitled to a "good" tip. He does agree that tips should be earned and he has told me many stories of large tables who leave $0 where he in turn needs to pay out. I think that's unfortunate and it's not always as easy as "getting a new job". However with the minimum wage increases, this should hopefully be less of a problem.

Another problem with tipping is going out with your significant other, especially if, in my case, she loves giving big tips. She knows that we differ in this philosophy and generally doesn't look at the tab when I pay, but I feel pressured to tip an appropriate amount up to her standards.

I know this doesn't apply to all restaurants, but some pay staff a percentage based on total sales. You also have to consider why the price of the food is so high as is (is it possible to go to a sit down restaurant anymore and get a burger for less than $10 after tax and tip...?). On top of that, there is already a HUGE mark up on liquor. Factor in that you're tipping on top of the tax as well and altogether there are so many disincentives to go out to eat as is. As I said above, I personally do not really enjoy going out to eat, would much rather cook something at home or if I'm with the lady, cook something together. Now that's not always entirely possible and once in a while it is nice to treat her to a nice night out.

The whole attitude of being entitled to tips needs to change though. And that starts at the top with different pay scales and different incentives from management. Unfortunately, I think we all know that this will never happen in Canadian culture.

To the poster who asked if Chinese people don't tip, it's not a custom to tip in China, Hong Kong or Taiwan. Many new immigrants (of which these days there are many) simply do not know that a gratuity is "customary" in North America. I believe Europe is similar, as well. And with this, I'm actually curious if I'm supposed to tip at an Asian restaurant...as many have said, I am greeted by a usually emotionless person, have difficulty ordering what I want due to the server's broken English, brought my food and then hurried out the door for another customer. Is that service?

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Watching UFC 154 on Saturday. This is more of a drinking establishment than it is a bar and grill but we decided to order food anyway. For probably about 200 customers, the manager decided to have only TWO servers working, one bartender and ONE cook. It took nearly an hour to get two appetizers, one of which was like it was just taken out of the fridge by the time we got it. My mum (lame, I know, but I had nobody to go with that night LOL) ordered a burger, which also took way the hell too long and wasn't even properly cooked so she returned it and got her money back. I felt like tipping our server and the cook personally because I know they were busting their ass and doing their best despite the worst odds imaginable thanks to the manager who is known for being short staffed on busiest nights going. I've worked in a kitchen before as a cook for three years so I know what its like being short staffed; it's very hard especially with that many people and they tried their best.

So, yes, I would tip my server directly in this scenario. If they were properly staffed and the service still sucked, then no

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I usually go with 10-15% if I'm at a restaurant. When I'm with a large group (over 14), I don't always leave a tip because it's automatically put into the bill. The service would have to be outstanding.

As far as waitresses asking you if you're done yet/if you want the bill.. one time this waitress asked us that at least 6 times. The restaurant wasnt full and we were still eating. Definitely didn't leave a tip. I did think about leaving a note saying "If you hadn't rushed us to leave, I would have left you a tip", but I didn't have a pen and two wrongs don't make a right!

I've only been in a cab a few times and I was never the one who was paying so I'm not sure about that one.

I honestly can't remember if I tip the lady who cuts my hair. I pay quite a bit for her to basically do 5 mins of work (set price) so I think I just leave whatever change I'm given.. so like $5 lol. We have some pretty good conversations though.

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Then they shouldn't call it a tip or a gratuity (ie. something to do with gratitude) then, and call it a straight up surcharge.

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Tips are earned , I dont tip unless i get amazing service because just like everyone else you already earn a wage and im not going to tip you for just doing your job

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I feel its time for a story about my first time at a sushi restaurant.

My 3 friends and I walked in, were seated, given our choice of water or tea and proceeded to converse. No problem. We ordered and waited. And waited, and waited. After 25 minutes, it takes one of my friends the line of "Is their food coming, they look like they are about to eat me" for them to remember our orders of Chicken Teriyaki. People who had sat down after us were already getting their cooked meals, yet we weren't. When we finally get it (35+ minutes after ordering) there is no apology from the waitress, or the manager, just handed our food. In my experience, someone will usually at least pay for your drinks, if not the meal after a delay like that. Nope, just handed what looks like roadkill, and smelled like burning tires. After eating it, I was even hungrier than I was when I got to the restaurant (0 mass food apparently). We were handed our bill, again no apologies for waiting. I pay, and give them a generous tip of 0. I'm usually a nice person, but when I feel wronged, I get my revenge. so before leaving, I proceed to the washroom, and to my surprise, find their mop quite close to the urinal. You can guess what happened there, but its fair to think I "missed"

TLDR: Waited 35 minutes for crappy food, no apology from the staff, I tipped nothing and pissed on a mop

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I feel its time for a story about my first time at a sushi restaurant.

My 3 friends and I walked in, were seated, given our choice of water or tea and proceeded to converse. No problem. We ordered and waited. And waited, and waited. After 25 minutes, it takes one of my friends the line of "Is their food coming, they look like they are about to eat me" for them to remember our orders of Chicken Teriyaki. People who had sat down after us were already getting their cooked meals, yet we weren't. When we finally get it (35+ minutes after ordering) there is no apology from the waitress, or the manager, just handed our food. In my experience, someone will usually at least pay for your drinks, if not the meal after a delay like that. Nope, just handed what looks like roadkill, and smelled like burning tires. After eating it, I was even hungrier than I was when I got to the restaurant (0 mass food apparently). We were handed our bill, again no apologies for waiting. I pay, and give them a generous tip of 0. I'm usually a nice person, but when I feel wronged, I get my revenge. so before leaving, I proceed to the washroom, and to my surprise, find their mop quite close to the urinal. You can guess what happened there, but its fair to think I "missed"

TLDR: Waited 35 minutes for crappy food, no apology from the staff, I tipped nothing and pissed on a mop

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Tips are earned , I dont tip unless i get amazing service because just like everyone else you already earn a wage and im not going to tip you for just doing your job

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That's the thing though. Some of these service workers can do everything right and still get skunked which I'm sure is very disheartening, then they probably wonder what they did wrong. Turns out they did nothing wrong, they just fell victim to a cheap pr**k who successfully ruined their mood and possibly effected service for subsequent customers.

When I used to go out, I would leave a decent tip even if the waitress or cabbie wasn't particularly pleasant, I just hoped that might raise their spirits. Those jobs aren't as fun or easy as people seem to think.

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Round it up to an even $10 and dont be a cheapskate. So you only tip when your'e with your girlfriend? How do you know that the server has a really easy job?

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My grandparents told me in the old days, if they didn't get good service, they put a glass of water upside down on the table and left it for the server to clean up.

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6.25+HST at 12% (or in this case, $0.75) comes to $7 exact. Putting an even $10 would mean $3 tips after tax, or 43% tips. Before tax at $6.25, that's 48% tips.

You must either be incredibly frivolous in spending, or have excellent excellent service to justify 43% tips. Even a high tipping percentage of 20% would put the overall bill at $8.25.

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My rule of thumb:

Unacceptable service = half tax plus file complaint with manager/head office

Acceptable service = tax

Phenomenal service (or friend) = double tax

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I hardly even bother going out anymore, but if I do and my service is not terrible, the people who serve me will be compensated properly.

Now think about a $6.25 tab, you cant round it up to an 8 dollar bill, the next closest is a 10. Are you really going ask for some of your coins back and be so much happier with that extra metal in your pocket? Those coins make a big difference to people in the service industry, just let them have it. If you have a large tab somewhere then yes, worry about percentages or whatever, nobody expects a 100 dollar bill for a 55 dollar meal or cab ride.

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Those coins also make a difference to me. If you believe that $10 is the same as $8, then you are incredibly frivolous in spending. That $2 difference adds up to one meal after 4 times.

But hey...who am I to talk? It's only some extra metal, right? It's not like that's a 20% difference in the overall bill (oh wait)

I frequent a pub in Richmond once a week - my portion's pretty standard: 7-10 wings (30 cents each), plus a pint at 4.25. That comes to about $6.35 before tax, which puts my bill at $7.11. The difference of leaving $10 altogether and a 20% tip comes to about $100 in a year. I've been doing this for 4 years now and have gotten what I describe as beyond excellent service.

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