GLASSJAW Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I'll answer the rest later, as I have to finish a paper tonight, but holy hell Glassjaw, you really need to stop putting up strawmen. When have I ever claimed that the explanation of sexuality is not complex? When did I ever imply that you were a homophobe? When in any of my posts did I discount the possibility of post-natal factors playing a role in sexuality? My only point in my last post is that the consensus of the scientific community is that pre-natal factors play a role in sexuality. That is all. Somehow you managed to miss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Personally, I can't recall when I chose to be straight. I don't imagine many gay people can either. To say "we don't know" and pretend there's nothing to discuss would leave very few things to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodzillaDeuce Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Why are you even talking to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 typing for the sake of reading your own words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navyblue Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Gotta add my two cents...I know, that's all they're worth in this forum. I used to post here a lot. I must say, the old "Crew" around here ticked me off, but not as much as the new one. They share a lot of the same qualities...in that they post way too much, will argue tooth and nail with every weapon in the book, and disregard anything that is not scientifically proven or commonly accepted. Not much free thought... I mean, when I post about things that I am interested in, I don't post them as concrete facts, but more so as ideas that could be considered by people who would hopefully value equal conversation...to question reality and what we know in hopes of understanding what we don't...Yet still, they are pounced on and ripped to shreds by the hoards of seemingly paid or unpaid trolls, hellbend with way too much time and much too much to prove as far as their beliefs go. I find myself wishing for the old Sharpshooter character as opposed to the new incarnations. Even if it's the same idea, at least the topics chosen by the former were enjoyable and slightly of my interest. These days it's all quite twisted and far from what I call comfortable that I rarely even post here. Hopefully some new and more entertaining and intelligent trolls chose to rule this forum in the future as the current regime not only bores but irks me to no end . -NB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K. Chesterton Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Amen, OP. “Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that everybody is free to discuss religion. In practice it means that hardly anybody is allowed to mention it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 it bothers me when more and more posters and people in real life use the word "ignorant" more so with users on this board when someone expresses an opinion or belief, it's usually followed by people describing this person as ignorant........i've only read the first page of this thread and i've already seen a couple of posts where people are describing others as "ignorant"........ seriously, what do you mean when you say that? For a person who described another as ignorant from a post, I could write tons of things that the former person is ignorant of before using this word, think: everyone has his/her opinion/belief; and not everyone has the knowledge/information as you do.........so if you don't know this fact, does it make you "ignorant" as well as a hypocrite? i get the general meaning of the word is like being oblivious to a known fact....but i've seen plenty of times when this word is used inappropriately......hell i probably have the definition wrong so does this make me ignorant? perhaps, but if you're going to judge do you realize many people perhaps including you and me probably don't know the definition of this word? but people who describe others as "ignorant" all the time makes it look like they know everything and then belittle the knowledge of the other person anyway my post probably doesn't make much sense cause i'm sleepy but just a rant of mine because i rarely come on this board now with posters judging one another all the time if you're going to judge someone's post, please provide facts that support your counter-arguments for the post so don't just say the person is "ignorant" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdawg Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way. First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late. Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem. Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between. Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition. Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay! Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers. Have a good day OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Clutch Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 You sure about under 17? I used to post here a few years back, members were mostly older at that time. It's not really just a "message board" thing, it's the fact these people are members of society and probably exhibit similar beliefs/attitudes in society. But, I do take some of these posts a bit too serious, mostly because of how annoying it is. Agree with everything you say, extremists=annoying as hell! This is not about my beliefs, I even mentioned I am far from a religious person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redacted Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way. First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late. Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem. Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between. Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition. Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay! Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers. Have a good day OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerGenuineDraft Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way. First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late. Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem. Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between. Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition. Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay! Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers. Have a good day OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellins Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way. First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late. Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem. Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between. Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition. Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay! Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers. Have a good day OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way. First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late. Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem. Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between. Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition. Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay! Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers. Have a good day OK? So where are you getting this information? You state it like fact, but what are your credentials? And what about the boy I knew who, in looking back, showed very strong signs of being gay in Grad 3-4 then did reveal himself to be so many years later? And no, the family was intact and quite "normal" by all standards...there was nothing influencing or pushing hm in a particular direction. It was just always clearly obvious - and before it was something that was openly discussed as it is now. So I don't believe you...sorry. I know several gay people who would argue your points and I tend to think they understand more about it. They would be the "experts" on the subject as far as I'm concerned. And they have indicated that they have felt, since birth, that they are the way they are...that it wasn't anything learned. The reason there isn't scientific data to back things up is because there isn't a need/demand to conduct the research - it's obviously a costly thing and it isn't deemed important enough to study. i'm saying that the claim that people are BORN with homosexuality in their blood is a claim that cannot be supported as fact, yet. Bocklandt was once a mere science journalist. It was while producing a documentary for Belgian TV that he first met geneticist Dean Hamer. Hamer had just published a study that claimed not only to have finally proved that male homosexuality was at least partially genetic but also to have pinpointed the stretch of chromosome where one of the genes involved resided. Hamer and his colleagues conducted extensive interviews with 76 pairs of gay brothers and their family members and found that homosexuality seemed to be inherited through the maternal line. This led him to compare the X chromosomes—which can be inherited only from the mother—in those same brothers. There he discovered a shared genetic marker, a patch of DNA called Xq28. Interviews with the subjects also revealed them to be either gay or straight. (In this respect, men are entirely different from women.... Abstract The role of genetics in male sexual orientation was investigated by pedigree and linkage analyses on 114 families of homosexual men. Increased rates of same-sex orientation were found in the maternal uncles and male cousins of these subjects, but not in their fathers or paternal relatives, suggesting the possibility of sex-linked transmission in a portion of the population. DNA linkage analysis of a selected group of 40 families in which there were two gay brothers and no indication of nonmaternal transmission revealed a correlation between homosexual orientation and the inheritance of polymorphic markers on the X chromosome in approximately 64 percent of the sib-pairs tested. The linkage to markers on Xq28, the subtelomeric region of the long arm of the sex chromosome, had a multipoint lod score of 4.0 (P = 10(-5), indicating a statistical confidence level of more than 99 percent that at least one subtype of male sexual orientation is genetically influenced. Hypothetical placement of the "gay gene," on the X chromosome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMB Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 You guys should all take a chill pill. If you dont like what someone is saying about gay people or religious people, then you can ignore them. Instead you choose to rip them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The Gay Gene was disproven several years ago. You aren't born that way , you are nurtured that way. First is Estrogen, from plastics, soy, dairy, meat, pesticides,birth control pills being flushed into the water supply, and other sources. The result is that girls that consume alot of these are going into puberty way too young, and boys far too late. Mothers who consume excess estrogen during pregnancy, and then feed soy formula in plastic baby bottles accentuate the problem. Next is alienation, and lack of love from same gender role models. If a mother is cruel and agressive, and a father indiferrent, or absent, then both the girl, and boy will seek out same sex role models that they can feel love and acceptance from.If a boy has a cruel mother then he will think all women are cruel, and naturally only trust men, and love men.Same with a girl, if she belives men are useless, or cruel, and her mother does'nt show love and respect, she will seek out the love of women only. Bisexuals are somewhere in between. Male sperm counts have gone down by 50% in the last 30 years due to this estronization of our nutrition. Throw in no more male care givers or teachers, free gay porn, gay tv role models, and Lady "not" Gaga 'born that way", and you have just the perfect combination to make the world gay! Much like Language, Martial Arts or anything in life we learn by repetition and mimicking our teachers. Have a good day OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Amen, OP. “Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that everybody is free to discuss religion. In practice it means that hardly anybody is allowed to mention it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 You guys should all take a chill pill. If you dont like what someone is saying about gay people or religious people, then you can ignore them. Instead you choose to rip them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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