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#1 janisahockeynut

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:22 PM

I am about to blow my lid! I know some of you have made reasonable suggestions on the value of Cory Schneider, but I honestly can't believe how little value some people put on a young, talented, high end goalie.

Posters have said such things like, 28th pick is great than Schneider, or that he isn't worth as much as Hedman, or that Connelly is worth more.

The facts are this. He is in the top 10 in every important goaltending category. People say say he unproven as a starting goalie, well so is Hedman unproven as a 1/2 dman, and Connelly can barely break into TB line up. We don't know what, or if they will get any better....they might have topped out! You don't know. And if Cory has topped out, you still have a bonified star!

And Draft picks don't always turn out! Does anyone remember who was drafted first overall the year Hank and Daniel were drafted!

Why do you think, there are so many teams that are interested in Cory? He is proven and draft picks and young prospect are not.....at best it is risky.

It takes 4 or 5 years to develope a goalie, if you are lucky, he plays in the NHL. You are grasping at straws if you know a goalie will be good when you draft him, that is why Cory is so valuable!

Geesh!......................Man I fell better!

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:24 PM

no worries - some fans may not, but MG knows what his value is...

p.s. Patrick Stefan was picked first - but then again, the entire draft was thin, and other than the Sedins, Havlat was the only other first round pick that panned out. Zetteburg went in the 7th round.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:25 PM

Schneider is worth a proven high end already developed starter, to match what we are losing.

Who? I am not sure.

Victor Hedman? Evander Kane?

Schneids is worth more than picks at this point.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:28 PM

Schneider is worth a lot more than some people give him credit for. I can guarantee that 29 teams will be asking for him this summer. Only in a perfect world we could keep both Lu and Schneides and convince them to go 50/50 on the season. :( Both deserve to be starters.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:31 PM

Yeah some people way undervalue Schneids' value. I think a package consisting of

- Top six calibre forward
- A bottom six forward
- A top pair d man
- A solid back up
- A grade A prospect/top 5-10 first rounder

Would be the right value for Cory.


In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:36 PM

Schneider is worth a lot more than some people give him credit for. I can guarantee that 29 teams will be asking for him this summer. Only in a perfect world we could keep both Lu and Schneides and convince them to go 50/50 on the season. :( Both deserve to be starters.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:38 PM

Yeah some people way undervalue Schneids' value. I think a package consisting of

- Top six calibre forward
- A bottom six forward
- A top pair d man
- A solid back up
- A grade A prospect/top 5-10 first rounder

Would be the right value for Cory.


And you're overvaluing him.

Edited by Dr. Recchi, 02 April 2012 - 10:40 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:45 PM

if he gets used at all in the playoffs and has success, his value will go up even more.......MG is a shrude businessman, imo.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

Yeah some people way undervalue Schneids' value. I think a package consisting of

- Top six calibre forward
- A bottom six forward
- A top pair d man
- A solid back up
- A grade A prospect/top 5-10 first rounder

Would be the right value for Cory.


This is by far the most ridiculous proposal I've ever seen. That wouldn't fly even in NHL12.

I think we can get a top 10 draft pick and a prospect possibly or a very talented prospect and a later pick. There are teams who are in dire need of a good goaltender so we might be able to juice a bit more out of them but nothing even remotely like what you have suggested. You have to keep in mind that Schneider is still by and large unproven as a starter. He's undoubtedly the best backup goalie in the NHL right now and he most likely will become an elite goalie but nothing is proven as yet.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

Schneider is worth a lot more than some people give him credit for. I can guarantee that 29 teams will be asking for him this summer. Only in a perfect world we could keep both Lu and Schneides and convince them to go 50/50 on the season. :( Both deserve to be starters.


You guarantee 29 teams will be asking for him this summer? What - like Bruins, Rangers, Flyers, Preds, Pens, Blues...? The teams that already have amazing tandems and/or have star goalies signed for ages? Come on. It seems that the most reasonable place for him to go in terms of demand would be Tampa. Rolie is a senior citizen with an expiring extension. I wouldn't mind seeing Corey there either.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:48 PM

^^^WAY OVERVALUING

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 10:53 PM

He was a first rounder, did extremely well at the AHL level and now the NHL. Presents himself as a complete professional on and off the ice. And now has established himself as one of the best most reliable young goalies in the league. In short his value is huge.

We are going to get something very good in return, but the thing to remember is that we are losing a key part of the team and our goalie equation.

I am not excited about losing him at all. Let's remember as well we got the playoffs coming up and if lu struggles (i don't think he will) then things could change.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:03 PM

Yeah some people way undervalue Schneids' value. I think a package consisting of

- Top six calibre forward
- A bottom six forward
- A top pair d man
- A solid back up
- A grade A prospect/top 5-10 first rounder

Would be the right value for Cory.


:picard: enormous overpayment, that's like Tampa offering us; Malone, Thompson, Brewer, Garon, 1st pick. Not gunna happen in a million years.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:08 PM

CORY SCHNEIDER FOR SHEA WEBER, RINNE AND 1ST ROUND PICK

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:09 PM

I don't always overvalue, but when I do, I prefer to overvalue ridiculously. Stay ridiculous, my friends.
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Yeah some people way undervalue Schneids' value. I think a package consisting of

- Top six calibre forward
- A bottom six forward
- A top pair d man
- A solid back up
- A grade A prospect/top 5-10 first rounder

Would be the right value for Cory.



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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:20 PM

some nhlers believe in the 29 team theory as well - "This kid is a No. 1 goalie in this league," Elias said. "He's in a tough position there. I think there are going to be 29 teams in line to get him when his time comes. He is that good."

http://ca.news.yahoo...49304--spt.html

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:23 PM

No, you're wrong. People are overvaluing him. Is he valuable? Most definitely, he is our most valued trading piece. But for people to think that he is worth:

Yeah some people way undervalue Schneids' value. I think a package consisting of

- Top six calibre forward
- A bottom six forward
- A top pair d man
- A solid back up
- A grade A prospect/top 5-10 first rounder

Would be the right value for Cory.

is pretty ridiculous. If you're able to pull that off, the Canucks organization will hand the job of GM over to you.
Think from the other teams' perspective. Why the hell would they want to give up that much for a young goaltender, albeit a great one with huge potential?

Say if we were in need of a goaltender. It'd be like trading away Booth, Higgins, Edler, (insert backup here), and Kassian for a goaltender. People need to start thinking logically.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:24 PM

Would Schneider for Nikitin and a 2nd roll? I think Nikita would be a really nice piece to have, he's big, showed that he liked to play the right side (thanks for the pick to give Edler his coast-to-coast ::D) has decent offensive instincts and isn't bad defensively either. If Lack gets some time against even decent NHL competition and shows that he can do alright, and there's the threat that Schneids could get targeted I would make a trade using Nikitin and a 2nd for a starting point from them (maybe get Sanford as well?)

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

Wow that flew over all your heads.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:28 PM

Yeah some people way undervalue Schneids' value. I think a package consisting of

- Top six calibre forward
- A bottom six forward
- A top pair d man
- A solid back up
- A grade A prospect/top 5-10 first rounder

Would be the right value for Cory.


... no, this is completely biased.

You're saying that you would trade
Booth
Hansen
Hamhuis
Schroeder
Lack

for Cory Schneider... get real.

Oh hello Alain Vigneault, I see what you did there... good one.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:31 PM

Schneider by himself is worth a top 10 pick and a prospect. Schneider + 1st rounder + Solid Prospect is around what Columbus will be asking for their 1st if not more.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:37 PM

some nhlers believe in the 29 team theory as well - "This kid is a No. 1 goalie in this league," Elias said. "He's in a tough position there. I think there are going to be 29 teams in line to get him when his time comes. He is that good."

http://ca.news.yahoo...49304--spt.html


Some nhlers, like many cdcers, are prone to making gross overstatements. He is a great goalie, but a more or less unproven starter. Is he better than Elliot? Quick? Lundqvist? As of right now - NO.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:44 PM

He is worth so much that i don't think he is going anywhere... time will tell!

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:45 PM

Schneider for E. Kane

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:47 PM

but then again, the entire draft was thin,


Looking back on it, it's surprising how many of the guys drafted that year eventually played for the Canucks. In addition to the Sedins, other first rounders from '99 to play here were Beech, Pyatt, Ouellet and McCarthy. Granted some of them barely had time to finish their cup of coffee before moving on...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:06 AM

Cory is an incredible BACKUP goalie. That is all.

Had he been our no.1, we would be squeaking into the playoffs. He no Luongo yet.
You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:07 AM

Cory will be one of the more decorated goaltenders after it is all set and done. His value is enormous, I would think his value would be similar to Lus when we traded for him.....ah before you say anything, desperate times call for desperate measures. Teams who are in need of a goalie, see Cory like he is a gold mine, and they would be willing to sacrifice some bodies and picks to get to this top three in stats, calm demenour, great team guy of a gold mine. Everyone is aware of how many shots the canucks have been allowing lately and yet he still won games. He beat all the big teams. He went in to the house of horrors where our other starter was butchered and won us THE GAME of the season. Its not like he lost in his first ever playoff start, he got injured while it was still 3-3 ( one goal was also a ps). This was huge cause before this game the floodgates had opened. His first 5 playoff games he has posted a 9.15 sv% which is good, it will vastly improve, as we all know he has improved this season over the last! Gms with teams that are struggling in the goaltender position know what the value of such a superior goalie is. just as we knew the value of lu when we got him back then. Personally i would keep Cory.

Also the poster who guranteed that all 29 gms will look at him, is correct so please leave them alone. If the Gms dont look into available young talented players then the gms arent doing their jobs...so in all fairness i think they will ask about him. I mean if you could flip miller (for a great return) and get younger and cheaper why wouldnt you give it a thought. Also who knows what if Rask keeps getting injured over and over or doesnt recover fully why not check it out, Mg is cool with Bostons Gm. St louis's gm might check it out to gague the value of his own goalies, the point is they all get a sniff for sure.

Edited by iluvbc, 03 April 2012 - 12:19 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:10 AM

Cory is an incredible BACKUP goalie. That is all.

Had he been our no.1, we would be squeaking into the playoffs. He no Luongo yet.
You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

I know this. I'm never wrong.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:11 AM

Cory is an incredible BACKUP goalie. That is all.

Had he been our no.1, we would be squeaking into the playoffs. He no Luongo yet.
You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

I know this. I'm never wrong.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:28 AM

Cory is an incredible BACKUP goalie. That is all. Had he been our no.1, we would be squeaking into the playoffs. He no Luongo yet.

Cory is an incredible BACKUP goalie. That is all. Had he been our no.1, we would be squeaking into the playoffs. He no Luongo yet.

Cory is an incredible BACKUP goalie. That is all. Had he been our no.1, we would be squeaking into the playoffs. He no Luongo yet.


I'm not sure I get your point. Could you repeat it, so I can get the general idea?
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