aliboy Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Over the next 10 to 20 years, between them, China and Russia are expected to launch 10 to 16 new carrier battle groups, and the competition for resources is only going to become more intense, as in, up north. So, we need to be able to protect our borders, especially in the north. The Dassault Rafale has the best situational awareness of any aircraft, other than the f35. The new Smart-L marine radar, which our new destroyers will have, can detect stealth aircraft at a considerable range. As soon as the west can develop an aircraft that can also detect stealth, at range, it will make stealth less important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Over the next 10 to 20 years, between them, China and Russia are expected to launch 10 to 16 new carrier battle groups, and the competition for resources is only going to become more intense, as in, up north. So, we need to be able to protect our borders, especially in the north. The Dassault Rafale has the best situational awareness of any aircraft, other than the f35. The new Smart-L marine radar, which our new destroyers will have, can detect stealth aircraft at a considerable range. As soon as the west can develop an aircraft that can also detect stealth, at range, it will make stealth less important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Right, so our few dozen jets are going to deter them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 The stealth of the F35 flying straight up north would be difficult to detect making it an effective deterrent to anyone trying to take our territory. If we have 65 F35 fighters and some SM3 missles and some conventional cruise missles, all up north, it could represent a pretty effective deterrent. Having said that, if the F35 program continues to go downhill, it might not scare anyone. lolThe US should do a major upgrade to the F22 and give it full situational awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electro Rock Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Listen to you--take our territory? What is this the old west? Plunge a flag in the ground and declare it yours? This isn't the 1950's anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 It is simply an issue of deterrent. The discussion is in theory only. The Russians do not respect weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Also, just wait until the fight for resources really heats up in say, 20 years. We could yet see a day when, if you ain't tough enough to keep what's yours, look out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Also, just wait until the fight for resources really heats up in say, 20 years. We could yet see a day when, if you ain't tough enough to keep what's yours, look out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 If someone violates Canadian airspace, you probably know that we aren't going to shooting them down. The response would be to intercept and tell them to turn back. We don't need to sneak up on them. The money is better spent on more icebreakers as a deterrent. Also, the F-35 is a single engine fighter. The Super Hornet and Dassault Rafale are both twin engine which would be handy in the far north. I think the best solution at this point would be to get something cheaper like the Super Hornet as an intermediary fighter until either the F-35 is much cheaper or something better comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Situation Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Exactly and air power is supreme. I would be willing to take major cuts to the army and navy then our air force. The north in an absolutely vital claim of resources for our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Cuts to the navy would severely hurt our sovereignty on the far north. Our biggest Arctic sovereignty issue is how the Northwest Passage is considered international waters by most of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Goose- Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 The SIlentEagle has always been a good "poormans" solution to the lack of a stealth aircraft. News has been relatively quiet but Israel and South Korea are really interested. The highlights are that there is very little R&D involved with this aircraft and it's a trusted air frame (IIRC ~100 kills for the F-15E, none have ever been lost in combat). It's a primarily hydraulic system too, but with the stealth it might have some FlyeByWire stuff thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostViking Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 This may sound cold, but why not make a statement by acquiring a nuclear weapon from the states and installing it "somewhere" in the Arctic. I can't imagine a better deterrent than that, something along the lines of "The Arctic belongs to Canada or it belongs to no one". Perhaps supplement with a half dozen new fighters (I'm not qualified to say which type) rather than a larger force, then save money for when a fighter that is actually worth the money becomes available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 It is simply an issue of deterrent. The discussion is in theory only. The Russians do not respect weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyledude Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Reminds me of this: It's the wrong technology, at the wrong price, at the wrong time. Why are we buying aerospace technology from the Americans in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You honestly think a few Canadian jets would deter the Russians? Chinese? 'The Russians do not respect weakness' That sounds like a bad line from some crapty 80's b-movie. This whole fear mongering warmongering is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpig Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Updating our air force is fear/warmongering? So glad you aren't in charge of national defence. It's not like Canada is some kind of war machine, but we need to at least be able to defend ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpe Diem Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 They should seriously consider buying something else. Superhornet sounds like a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Updating our air force is fear/warmongering? So glad you aren't in charge of national defence. It's not like Canada is some kind of war machine, but we need to at least be able to defend ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Again, defend ourselves against what? The Russians? Chinese? Americans? You think if push actually ever came to shove we would have a snowballs chance in hell with or without a few dozen jets? Of course not, this is just deterrence right? Who are we trying to fool here? This is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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