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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

This would be disappointing news for a Washington fan. The guy put up 40 points in 49 regular season games and has 5 goals in 7 playoff games so far. He also won silver at the WJC and put up 6 goals/13 points in 7 games as captain of the team.

The 6'3 forward is a free agent at the end of the year in the KHL and doesn't know where he will sign yet. Anything right now would be tampering as his team is still in the playoffs.

This guy was an absolute steal by McPhee at 26th overall, but when will he make the jump over the pond?

‘To be honest, my decision has been reached,” the 19-year-old phenom said. “It is my intention to continue my career in the KHL. At the same time there is no clarity as to which club it will be.”



While the Capitals can only give him the standard entry-level NHL contract, worth just less than $1 million, KHL’s “oligarchs” such as SKA St. Petersburg and Salavat Yulayev Ufa are in a position to offer Kuznetsov at least four or five times that salary. It is probable that his family situation played a part in his decision. (Kuznetsov was married last summer, which is much more common for 19-year-olds in Russia than in the United States.)


Sport-Express speculates that the Caps’ struggles this year, Dale Hunter’s defensive approach and Alex Ovechkin’s decline in productivity are also among the reasons


Evgeny Kuznetsov is the No. 1 prospect in the NHL, according to The Hockey News.


"If I was given a 10-year contract, I would stay and wouldn't [go anywhere]." Kuznetsov told PROSport magazine.



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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:51 AM

Yes, because the Washington Capital's biggest problem is not having enough Russians...
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:57 AM

Yes, because the Washington Capital's biggest problem is not having enough Russians...


What else would be?

They need atleast 6 more.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

This is every GM's nightmare. Guys like this is the reason less and less Russians are being drafted early. Not to mention entering the league.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:26 PM

On these kinds of topics about staying in their home league vs. coming to play in the NHL, how come it seems like Russian players are especially hesitant to cross the ocean to America and are at particular risk of bolting home? Why is it that it other countries' leagues (Elitserien, SM-Liiga, etc.) don't have so much of an issue?

Back on topic, that would be quite the loss for the Caps. While some may say they don't need more Russians the talent's obviously there, and if Semin walks Evgeni could probably slot in and replace at least some of the offense, while providing leadership for the team as well.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:31 PM

Yes, because the Washington Capital's biggest problem is not having enough Russians...


I don't think the nationality of a player really matters. Kuznetsov is an amazing talent who ripped apart the WJC and is now ripping up the KHL playoffs. Washington could use the extra fire power and strength up front (he's 6'3, 195 pounds).

If the Caps lose Semin in the off-season and are not able to replace him.... well, this is just going to contribute to the blow. Not so long ago McPhee was saying he WAS going to be coming over, so maybe he was depending on that.

On these kinds of topics about staying in their home league vs. coming to play in the NHL, how come it seems like Russian players are especially hesitant to cross the ocean to America and are at particular risk of bolting home? Why is it that it other countries' leagues (Elitserien, SM-Liiga, etc.) don't have so much of an issue?

Back on topic, that would be quite the loss for the Caps. While some may say they don't need more Russians the talent's obviously there, and if Semin walks Evgeni could probably slot in and replace at least some of the offense, while providing leadership for the team as well.


I think because the new KHL can afford to pay players as much as the NHL and there are less taxes, whereas the SEL and SM-L are smaller leagues that can't afford ridiculous contracts.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:31 PM

If it were me, I'd choose to stay home and get better salary too. The guy just got married, family is his main concern.IMO the general statement that Russians want to stay in the KHL for greed/w.e reason is extremly unfair to them. It sucks for NHL teams that drafted these players, but fans/organizations a like should respect the player's right to decide their own future.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:31 PM

On these kinds of topics about staying in their home league vs. coming to play in the NHL, how come it seems like Russian players are especially hesitant to cross the ocean to America and are at particular risk of bolting home? Why is it that it other countries' leagues (Elitserien, SM-Liiga, etc.) don't have so much of an issue?

Back on topic, that would be quite the loss for the Caps. While some may say they don't need more Russians the talent's obviously there, and if Semin walks Evgeni could probably slot in and replace at least some of the offense, while providing leadership for the team as well.


It's this funny thing called money.

KHL can offer money close enough to NHL salaries, that it is hard to justify the move.

While the other European leagues cannot offer anywhere near the same amount
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:16 PM

On these kinds of topics about staying in their home league vs. coming to play in the NHL, how come it seems like Russian players are especially hesitant to cross the ocean to America and are at particular risk of bolting home? Why is it that it other countries' leagues (Elitserien, SM-Liiga, etc.) don't have so much of an issue?

Back on topic, that would be quite the loss for the Caps. While some may say they don't need more Russians the talent's obviously there, and if Semin walks Evgeni could probably slot in and replace at least some of the offense, while providing leadership for the team as well.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:23 PM

LOL @ him being the number 1 prospect...

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:57 PM

LOL @ him being the number 1 prospect...


Name a better drafted prospect who isn't already playing in the NHL?

Any one of them could be debated. Kuznetsov has a huge amount of skill.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:07 PM

Name a better drafted prospect who isn't already playing in the NHL?

Any one of them could be debated. Kuznetsov has a huge amount of skill.


Debatable - Mikael Granlund
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

Evgeny Kuznetsov, center, was the Washington Capitals' first-round pick in 2010. (AP Photo)
"I said I was staying in the KHL so they'd leave me alone," Kuznetsov told a Russian television network on Saturday, according to multiple reports.



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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

perhaps Ovie and Semin can convince him.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:25 PM

Debatable - Mikael Granlund


Yep. Debatable. But I wouldn't say Granlund is better. They're definitely different types of players - Granlund being a smaller, but very smart playmaking center, whereas Kuznetsov is a strong winger who can control the game in the offensive zone and pull out the odd power move when necessary.

The size factor also goes against Granlund who is 5'10 compared to Kuznetsov's 6'3. I would say that puts Kuznetsov over the edge as a better prospect for the NHL - if he ever decides to come over.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:25 PM

perhaps Ovie and Semin can convince him.


That's if Semin even decides to re-sign or McPhee even offers him a contract.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:50 PM

Brutal for the Caps

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:51 PM

Semin is gone this season if Mcphee wants to win. Get Cory Schneider and try and land Weber, Suter, or Parise.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:29 PM

On these kinds of topics about staying in their home league vs. coming to play in the NHL, how come it seems like Russian players are especially hesitant to cross the ocean to America and are at particular risk of bolting home? Why is it that it other countries' leagues (Elitserien, SM-Liiga, etc.) don't have so much of an issue?

Back on topic, that would be quite the loss for the Caps. While some may say they don't need more Russians the talent's obviously there, and if Semin walks Evgeni could probably slot in and replace at least some of the offense, while providing leadership for the team as well.

Look at it from a different perspective. Let's say the KHL was the superior league to the NHL. Let's say the KHL has the same entry level maximum as the NHL does now. Would you play hockey in Russia, away from your home, for a limited amount of money when you could play in your home country for 5 or 6 times the money? On top of that you're recently married. Not much of a choice left to you there, no question, you'd play for the inferior NHL for alot of money.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:51 PM

Yep. Debatable. But I wouldn't say Granlund is better. They're definitely different types of players - Granlund being a smaller, but very smart playmaking center, whereas Kuznetsov is a strong winger who can control the game in the offensive zone and pull out the odd power move when necessary.

The size factor also goes against Granlund who is 5'10 compared to Kuznetsov's 6'3. I would say that puts Kuznetsov over the edge as a better prospect for the NHL - if he ever decides to come over.


Kuznetsov is not 6'3. He's listed in most places as 6'-6'1. Plus, you're making him to be a powerforward type, which is the last thing he is. He might not be soft, but he's not exactly tough.

If there's any Russian prospect that's a powerforward, it's Tarasenko. He might have the same kind of upside that Kuznetsov has, but I'll take a 10-15pt trade off for a player that is much safer to hit his upside, and plays a more complete game while still having a ton of skill.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:55 PM

Kuznetsov is not 6'3. He's listed in most places as 6'-6'1. Plus, you're making him to be a powerforward type, which is the last thing he is. He might not be soft, but he's not exactly tough.

If there's any Russian prospect that's a powerforward, it's Tarasenko. He might have the same kind of upside that Kuznetsov has, but I'll take a 10-15pt trade off for a player that is much safer to hit his upside, and plays a more complete game while still having a ton of skill.


He's 6'3 now.

I know he isn't a powerforward, but he has the size to bring the puck to the net from outwide.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

Wow, even Team Russia has trouble enticing Russians :o

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:40 PM

This is the whole reason why there is speculation Columbus wants to trade away the #1 pick because they don't want yet another Russian to screw them.

They already had a bad experience with Zherdev and Filatov don't know that they care much for Russian players now.

Washington is one of the few teams left in the NHL who are not afraid to draft Russians high. That would be a huge blow if Ovechkin can't convince Kuznetsov to come over to the NHL.

Maybe he will change his mind in a few years like Radulov and decide to try the NHL.

It just seems Russians have the most problem adjusting to the North American lifestyle and fitting in with the playing style of the NHL compared to other Euro players.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:09 PM

With a few exceptions Russian hockey players need a trip to see the Wizard of Oz to get some hearts.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:32 AM

This is the whole reason why there is speculation Columbus wants to trade away the #1 pick because they don't want yet another Russian to screw them.

They already had a bad experience with Zherdev and Filatov don't know that they care much for Russian players now.

Washington is one of the few teams left in the NHL who are not afraid to draft Russians high. That would be a huge blow if Ovechkin can't convince Kuznetsov to come over to the NHL.

Maybe he will change his mind in a few years like Radulov and decide to try the NHL.

It just seems Russians have the most problem adjusting to the North American lifestyle and fitting in with the playing style of the NHL compared to other Euro players.


It isn't that they have a harder time adjusting, it's that they can be offered the same money and other benefits of playing in their home country. You know, the place where their language is spoken and their family lives.

A lot of Canadians would rather play in Canada and a lot of Russians would rather play in Russia.

Other European countries don't have KHL salaries to offer or else you can bet a lot more players would be returning to their home land. Heck, Naslund was one phone call away from going back to the SEL and he was definitely not going to be getting paid much over there..

Not to mention Columbus, Ohio? Who would want to live there? Who would want to play for a team that stinks it up every year? Plus, CBJ has had problems with every player they've drafted pretty much from every nationality besides Rick Nash...

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:46 AM

The NHL hasn't exactly been cordial towards leagues like the KHL. There's no legal agreement between the Russian Ice Hockey Federation and the NHL when it comes to the transfer of players. Under the bylaws in the Western European Hockey Leagues, all agreements signed with NHL clubs are binding. The KHL knowingly violates binding player contracts(I.E. Radulov and Hudler) because under Russian law, they don't really have to observe NHL player contracts. Even if there was an agreement between the NHL and Russian leagues such as the KHL, I don't think it would really matter if a superstar such as Evgeni Malkin opted to go to the KHL. There's a history there with Russian hockey officials not honouring NHL contracts. This grants Russian hockey players leverage to return home to Russia and it grants more leverage for the KHL in their pursuit of more revenue. If Kuznetsov doesn't want to play in the NHL, that's fine. There's thousands of young Americans, Canadians, Swedes, Finns, etc. seeking to play in the NHL.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:02 AM

This is every GM's nightmare. Guys like this is the reason less and less Russians are being drafted early. Not to mention entering the league.


Guys like him are the reason hockey is becoming marketable outside North America. The big league loses talent as a result, but that's just how things work.

All things considered, Kuznetsov's probably making the better choice by staying in Russia.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:31 PM

This would be disappointing news for a Washington fan. The guy put up 40 points in 49 regular season games and has 5 goals in 7 playoff games so far. He also won silver at the WJC and put up 6 goals/13 points in 7 games as captain of the team.

The 6'3 forward is a free agent at the end of the year in the KHL and doesn't know where he will sign yet. Anything right now would be tampering as his team is still in the playoffs.

This guy was an absolute steal by McPhee at 26th overall, but when will he make the jump over the pond?
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Theres a reason why he was drafted 26th since no one knows if he will come over and most teams don't want to risk a 1st round pick on him. I see why the caps did it though having the likes of Semin and Ovi already could pursued him more than a team that has 0 russians. I think the Russian trial and error is almost over now, the only ones that will be drafted at a proper position are the ones who are playing junior over here already (Yakupov, etc.) and not the ones who are making better money in the KHL already.

Also can't blame him, from what I have heard Russia is tax-free or very low taxes, so making a 4 mill salary there would be equivalent after taxes to 7+ here most likely plus you stay at home so I can't blame any Russians for staying in Russia. Sucks because I want to see the best players in the world play in the NHL but I can always see it from the other side also.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:50 PM

It isn't that they have a harder time adjusting, it's that they can be offered the same money and other benefits of playing in their home country. You know, the place where their language is spoken and their family lives.

A lot of Canadians would rather play in Canada and a lot of Russians would rather play in Russia.

Other European countries don't have KHL salaries to offer or else you can bet a lot more players would be returning to their home land. Heck, Naslund was one phone call away from going back to the SEL and he was definitely not going to be getting paid much over there..

Not to mention Columbus, Ohio? Who would want to live there? Who would want to play for a team that stinks it up every year? Plus, CBJ has had problems with every player they've drafted pretty much from every nationality besides Rick Nash...


I agree but there are Russian players like Yakupov who specifically have a dream to play in the NHL because it's the best league in the world and are willing to come over to play in North America to play junior, learn English, get accustomed to the lifestyle and help make the transition to the NHL as seamless as possible.

They see the KHL only as a fall back plan if they don't make the NHL.

Some Russian prospects now are coming over to test the NHL because they know they have a backup plan to make lots of money playing in the KHL already.

So they are not as motivated to make it to the NHL when they can just stay home and make good money.

I guess it really comes down to the individual player and how much their desire is to play in the best league in the world or if they are content making good money playing at home without having to go to a foreign land.

I thought Semin would have left for the KHL by now he is exactly the type of player that belongs in the KHL and not the NHL.

He is soft and plays individual hockey. Pretty much the current Kovalev that only plays hard when he wants to.

Overall the league will lose some of their biggest superstars if Russians stop coming over to the NHL. Which may prompt them to sign a more lucrative transfer deal with the KHL as their is no such deal in place right now.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 01:43 AM

I agree but there are Russian players like Yakupov who specifically have a dream to play in the NHL because it's the best league in the world and are willing to come over to play in North America to play junior, learn English, get accustomed to the lifestyle and help make the transition to the NHL as seamless as possible.

They see the KHL only as a fall back plan if they don't make the NHL.

Some Russian prospects now are coming over to test the NHL because they know they have a backup plan to make lots of money playing in the KHL already.

So they are not as motivated to make it to the NHL when they can just stay home and make good money.

I guess it really comes down to the individual player and how much their desire is to play in the best league in the world or if they are content making good money playing at home without having to go to a foreign land.

I thought Semin would have left for the KHL by now he is exactly the type of player that belongs in the KHL and not the NHL.

He is soft and plays individual hockey. Pretty much the current Kovalev that only plays hard when he wants to.

Overall the league will lose some of their biggest superstars if Russians stop coming over to the NHL. Which may prompt them to sign a more lucrative transfer deal with the KHL as their is no such deal in place right now.


Your unfair judgement of Alex Semin messes up your whole argument. You describe Yakupov in such a glorious manner and then you smash Semin by saying he doesn't belong in this league.

Do you see where you're sounding hypocritical? You THOUGHT Semin would have left, but he's made the choice to stay here and try to succeed in this league. You're giving him zero credit, and that's just unfair.




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