unbridled_id Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 "And I hate to be callous, but Stalin did pull the Soviet Union from a backwards agrarian economy into super power status. Then again, Russia and the near east were always lagging behind Europe in development, and more than once people died when a leader decided to close the gap by working them to death." You aren't be callous you are showing your ignorance.. I assume you are high again today are you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7thMan Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Mao and Stalin, probably the two people who killed the most people in the 20th century, were atheists. Did they kill those tens of millions in the name of Atheism? No. However, a logical conclusion to the atheistic thought process is, not believing in a God, an individual establishes themselves as the ultimate authority of right and wrong. Believing killing tens of millions was a needed step towards a greater good, they did it. And who's to say they were wrong? Their's was quite a rational decison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22Sedinery33 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Who wouldn't take that deal regardless of what religion you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbridled_id Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I don't know about you, but I don't need God to tell me that genocide is wrong. You're confusing atheism and nihilism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 , seems like somebody is a little mad. Do you really have to insult people to make yourself feel better? Cant we all just agree to disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I myself am a Jew. I believe in a divine presence. Judaism is the most philosophical of the three Abrahamic religions. Masturbation and Porn is specifically prohibited in Judaism, but that doesn't really stop me. However, if an Atheistic group came up to me and made this proposition I'd be annoyed. Just let people have their beliefs, this kind of stuff isn't necessary. It kind of creates a mob-like mentality. As for believers such as a myself being "irrational". I could see how people would think that, judging by the images portrayed in the mainstream media, but it isn't like that. I'm Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative. I support the stance of the Canadian Opposition when it comes to marriage. I support the stance of the Federal Government when it comes to foreign policy. I don't support anyone's stance when it comes to the budget, I just think we should keep the pensions and Universal Health Care and make cuts to everything else. I think we should cut taxes. I don't think that makes me an "irrational citizen" Certainly, I've met Jews, Christians and Muslims who have have said some pretty crazy things to me about religion. I've met homophobes, hypocrites and people who completely go against their religious principles. But I think crazy people have a right to be crazy as long as they're doing it in their own little corner. Call me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I myself am a Jew. I believe in a divine presence. Judaism is the most philosophical of the three Abrahamic religions. Masturbation and Porn is specifically prohibited in Judaism, but that doesn't really stop me. However, if an Atheistic group came up to me and made this proposition I'd be annoyed. Just let people have their beliefs, this kind of stuff isn't necessary. It kind of creates a mob-like mentality. As for believers such as a myself being "irrational". I could see how people would think that, judging by the images portrayed in the mainstream media, but it isn't like that. I'm Socially Liberal and Fiscally Conservative. I support the stance of the Canadian Opposition when it comes to marriage. I support the stance of the Federal Government when it comes to foreign policy. I don't support anyone's stance when it comes to the budget, I just think we should keep the pensions and Universal Health Care and make cuts to everything else. I think we should cut taxes. I don't think that makes me an "irrational citizen" Certainly, I've met Jews, Christians and Muslims who have have said some pretty crazy things to me about religion. I've met homophobes, hypocrites and people who completely go against their religious principles. But I think crazy people have a right to be crazy as long as they're doing it in their own little corner. Call me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 No wonder there are so many religious denominations. If I use Common Sense's, er, common sense, I'd end up with the conclusion religious people can't read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 haha, this guy spends hours each day doing this "leading a horse to water" is a full time job, for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Religions people do it out of a belief that they are right; atheists do it because they're internally charged to be obnoxious from the get-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 haha, this guy spends hours each day doing this "leading a horse to water" is a full time job, for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Watch a movie, read a book, culture yourself in some capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I can't tell if this guy is just a troll with hours to burn, or if he seriously believes the things he types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I can't tell if this guy is just a troll with hours to burn, or if he seriously believes the things he types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Where's the cheap shot exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 It's where you decided to attack a user as opposed to responding to the post. Your post could have went about voicing your opinion without including references to other posters, but you decided to take the low road and act like your immature self. Once again, as I said back in page 2, thanks for proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 That is not a badly disguised backhanded attack, it's a clearly openhanded slap. Do you question if god exists, as a Christian? Are you an agnostic theist? More on the subject, faith is defined as belief without evidence. Now what's less rational than that? I know theists who are rational, but they're neither Christian nor Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Evil Twin Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I'm having trouble believing that you've never met any rational Christians or Muslims. One irrational belief doesn't mean they're irrational people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Because they are religious. Atheists are religious people to me, even outside the realm of silly man made religions, coming to a rigid conclusion about the possibility of a creator without any falsifiable evidence one way or another, from my view as an agnostic, makes atheists just as religious to me as religious people. Evidently atheists have trouble not falling into the religious pit of needing an answer even when the evidence, or lack thereof, leads one to logically, and honestly, answer that they don't know and cannot yet come to a conclusion. It also shows a defiant barrier to reason if/when evidence does arise, and does not favour the atheist conclusion. I don't get why one needs to have such absolute answers to things they obviously don't know, nor do they have the ability to prove. Anyhow, while I know religions and their man-made deities are blatantly false, right now about whether or not there is a creator of all this.. I don't know that. I hope I find out some day, but given all the time that's passed without evidence one way or another I'm sceptical of finding out. As for the approach to the school issue, I thought highly of those who pointed out the similarity of atheists congregating and a church congregation. I never did, and never would use school to push my agenda about what I think of a possible deity. But then again, even more so than when I graduated, universities these days seem far more oriented on behaviour than giving people the skills to communicate effectively and work. Utter waste of tuition money in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coda Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Let's not try and redefine words, that didn't work out well for zaibatsu, and it won't work out well for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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