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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:09 PM

It's not being obnoxious, it's trying to lead a horse to water.


no, it's being obnoxious

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:09 PM

How is your back doing and are you feeling any discomfort at this point in time ?


It's getting better. No cure for the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome yet though. :(

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:10 PM

wow, why don't images work

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:13 PM

It's getting better. No cure for the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome yet though. :(


Ah well you can't always get what you want, and I know you are proud of yourself no matter what... Nice to hear about your back, will it ever be as it was before ?
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

Not just like - they don't have superstitions. But close enough for my likings. The way I see it, the belief in god has nothing to do with my view of religion. Their primary purpose (in just my opinion) is social control. The atheist groups that I see are all playing that game, albeit with the nominal motive of fighting the religious organisations doing the same thing. But by doing that, they employ some of the same tactics that bother me about the church/other religious groups in the first place. In that way they are like a religious organisation to me.

And one of my concerns is that once they become entrenched and have been around for a while, they will just be another player in the game.

I realise that this might not be a standard view, so I understand why you might disagree.


Again, atheism has nothing in common beyond the one thing that defines atheism. We don't share the love of Jesus, hatred for homosexuals, and whatever other nonsense different denominations believe in in common. We can't be herded like Christians under a single banner. We're fundamentally not like religious people. The main theme to atheist discussions seem to be logic and critical thinking. You're claiming atheists will do exactly what they're fighting against by using the same tools to destroy as to manipulate. That's nonsensical, and if it was the case, would be extremely counter-productive.

Now sure, they may have atheist bake sales just like churches, and if that type of thing bothers you, fine. It does not make atheism a religion anymore than it makes girls scouts a religion, though.

Atheists will never become just another player anymore than hockey moms and sweater wearers will. I'm sorry, there's a lot wrong with your view, and it's not because it's "not standard".

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

...and you all don't have sore backs.. Were you doing the clean and jerk when you hurt your back ?

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:28 PM

The thought of Scorpio Ego hosting an atheist bake sale is amazing.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

Why do 'atheists' have to be as obnoxious as religious nuts?!?

You believe in God. Okay, I don't, big whoop...

Because they are religious.

I believe I stated the context in my post you quoted... See, you're saying atheists in a group are just like religion, yet the only commonality is both being groups of people. You are wrong in your statement, plain and simple.

Atheists are religious people to me, even outside the realm of silly man made religions, coming to a rigid conclusion about the possibility of a creator without any falsifiable evidence one way or another, from my view as an agnostic, makes atheists just as religious to me as religious people. Evidently atheists have trouble not falling into the religious pit of needing an answer even when the evidence, or lack thereof, leads one to logically, and honestly, answer that they don't know and cannot yet come to a conclusion. It also shows a defiant barrier to reason if/when evidence does arise, and does not favour the atheist conclusion.

I don't get why one needs to have such absolute answers to things they obviously don't know, nor do they have the ability to prove. Anyhow, while I know religions and their man-made deities are blatantly false, right now about whether or not there is a creator of all this.. I don't know that. I hope I find out some day, but given all the time that's passed without evidence one way or another I'm sceptical of finding out.

As for the approach to the school issue, I thought highly of those who pointed out the similarity of atheists congregating and a church congregation. I never did, and never would use school to push my agenda about what I think of a possible deity. But then again, even more so than when I graduated, universities these days seem far more oriented on behaviour than giving people the skills to communicate effectively and work. Utter waste of tuition money in most cases.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

The thought of Scorpio Ego hosting an atheist bake sale is amazing.


The secret ingredient is babies. Shhhh ;)

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

Because they are religious.


Atheists are religious people to me, even outside the realm of silly man made religions, coming to a rigid conclusion about the possibility of a creator without any falsifiable evidence one way or another, from my view as an agnostic, makes atheists just as religious to me as religious people. Evidently atheists have trouble not falling into the religious pit of needing an answer even when the evidence, or lack thereof, leads one to logically, and honestly, answer that they don't know and cannot yet come to a conclusion. It also shows a defiant barrier to reason if/when evidence does arise, and does not favour the atheist conclusion.

I don't get why one needs to have such absolute answers to things they obviously don't know, nor do they have the ability to prove. Anyhow, while I know religions and their man-made deities are blatantly false, right now about whether or not there is a creator of all this.. I don't know that. I hope I find out some day, but given all the time that's passed without evidence one way or another I'm sceptical of finding out.

As for the approach to the school issue, I thought highly of those who pointed out the similarity of atheists congregating and a church congregation. I never did, and never would use school to push my agenda about what I think of a possible deity. But then again, even more so than when I graduated, universities these days seem far more oriented on behaviour than giving people the skills to communicate effectively and work. Utter waste of tuition money in most cases.


This is why we have words, and words are fun! Except when we don't use words properly, then we get into silly discussions because people fail to understand the words they are using. Allow me to explain.

There are four relevant words to this discussion, atheist and theist, and gnostic and agnostic. You seem to think they are degrees of the same thing, they are not.

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You said you are an agnostic, however you expressed that you don't believe in god, making you also an atheist. Imagine that, you're an agnostic atheist. You are actually supporting my statement that atheists are entirely different aside from lack of belief in god. Some don't even know what "atheist" means. ;)

I, as an atheist, don't deny the possibility that there is a god. That's as far as I personally go, although I don't believe in one. Of course, I categorically deny Christian, Muslim, gods et al. As you can tell, we're not different in our beliefs at all. Funny, when you use proper words, things suddenly seem so simple!

Oh yeah, in regards to this being in school, this is university, not public school. Do you oppose all the other clubs in schools that aren't "math club"? Come on, college is where people learn about the real world, or at least begin to. At least unlike Christians, atheist clubs appeal to and promote reason, logic, etc. These things are invaluable. Unlike faith.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:39 PM

The secret ingredient is babies. Shhhh ;)


From religious families?

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:42 PM

From religious families?


All babies are atheist, all taste the same.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:44 PM

All babies are atheist, all taste the same.


Wouldn't they be agnostic?

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:45 PM

Again, atheism has nothing in common beyond the one thing that defines atheism. We don't share the love of Jesus, hatred for homosexuals, and whatever other nonsense different denominations believe in in common. We can't be herded like Christians under a single banner. We're fundamentally not like religious people. The main theme to atheist discussions seem to be logic and critical thinking. You're claiming atheists will do exactly what they're fighting against by using the same tools to destroy as to manipulate. That's nonsensical, and if it was the case, would be extremely counter-productive.


As soon as they form organisations, they are herding themselves under one banner. WHich is exactly what I have a problem with.

If you think that simply being atheist and considering yourself a free thinker actually makes you one (in the general sense, not you personally), then just look at conspiracy theorists. Generally smart, non religious, and still failing on the critical thinking. As soon as a group gets to any size, it will take in a lot of those types of people. I've seen plenty of non rational atheists, and they loudly claim to be rational. It just takes a vocal minority to upset the balance of a group, as the squeaky wheels get greased. And then you get the opportunists who pander to the squeaky wheels to put themselves in a position of power.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:54 PM

This is why we have words, and words are fun! Except when we don't use words properly, then we get into silly discussions because people fail to understand the words they are using. Allow me to explain.

There are four relevant words to this discussion, atheist and theist, and gnostic and agnostic. You seem to think they are degrees of the same thing, they are not.

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You said you are an agnostic, however you expressed that you don't believe in god, making you also an atheist. Imagine that, you're an agnostic atheist. You are actually supporting my statement that atheists are entirely different aside from lack of belief in god. Some don't even know what "atheist" means. ;)

I, as an atheist, don't deny the possibility that there is a god. That's as far as I personally go, although I don't believe in one. Of course, I categorically deny Christian, Muslim, gods et al. As you can tell, we're not different in our beliefs at all. Funny, when you use proper words, things suddenly seem so simple!

Oh yeah, in regards to this being in school, this is university, not public school. Do you oppose all the other clubs in schools that aren't "math club"? Come on, college is where people learn about the real world, or at least begin to. At least unlike Christians, atheist clubs appeal to and promote reason, logic, etc. These things are invaluable. Unlike faith.

If it were a real lesson about the real world it would be a test for those with useless liberal arts degrees about getting into debt, if it were an exam, how do you think they did? Just by entering, fail. One doesn't need to go to college to learn about the real world, that's what grade school was for. I didn't get my business degree to learn about the real world, I got it because it was extremely useful learning how to run a business and manage others. Now I had to choose between people who went through college to get some obscure liberal arts degree or those who got a more useful skill set in engineering or accounting. I'd love to get into a long debate about how useless college is in most cases, but I don't want to completely derail the thread. I like the religious discussions, they're entertaining.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:56 PM

As soon as they form organisations, they are herding themselves under one banner. WHich is exactly what I have a problem with.

If you think that simply being atheist and considering yourself a free thinker actually makes you one (in the general sense, not you personally), then just look at conspiracy theorists. Generally smart, non religious, and still failing on the critical thinking. As soon as a group gets to any size, it will take in a lot of those types of people. I've seen plenty of non rational atheists, and they loudly claim to be rational. It just takes a vocal minority to upset the balance of a group, as the squeaky wheels get greased. And then you get the opportunists who pander to the squeaky wheels to put themselves in a position of power.


I understand that's what you have a problem with. What other groups do you have a problem with? Do you not like people congregating around a common thread? I don't understand what the problem even is. Being atheist has nothing to do with being a free thinker, I made that point explicitly on page one. There are conspiracy theorists from all walks of life, to suppose they're somehow going to hijack the "atheist movement" is absurd. If atheists form a political party, atheism won't be the central platform. As a group, yes, they will be susceptible to corruption just as any group with power, but does that mean we stop congregating? You're also failing to consider that the means by which atheists would gain power would be the means that prevent opportunists from capitalizing. You don't lead a horse to water only to kill it with thirst.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:04 PM

If it were a real lesson about the real world it would be a test for those with useless liberal arts degrees about getting into debt, if it were an exam, how do you think they did? Just by entering, fail. One doesn't need to go to college to learn about the real world, that's what grade school was for. I didn't get my business degree to learn about the real world, I got it because it was extremely useful learning how to run a business and manage others. Now I had to choose between people who went through college to get some obscure liberal arts degree or those who got a more useful skill set in engineering or accounting. I'd love to get into a long debate about how useless college is in most cases, but I don't want to completely derail the thread. I like the religious discussions, they're entertaining.


Liberal arts degrees? What are you on about now? I bet most liberal arts students would know the meaning of the word "atheist" before opening their mouths. ;)

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:08 PM

I'm not exactly sure what they hope to accomplish with this.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:11 PM

Wouldn't they be agnostic?


Technically, yes. In your context, no. Refer to chart.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:13 PM

Liberal arts degrees? What are you on about now? I bet most liberal arts students would know the meaning of the word "atheist" before opening their mouths. ;)

Well no, that's your pedantic, excessively, and pointlessly expanding definition of an atheist and it's unfortunate if you have difficulty discerning the difference which is not necessary to expand upon.

Person doesn't know (not knowing being the prevailing weight and not having a conclusion) = agnostic
Person has a conclusion that there is no deity = atheist
Person has a conclusion that there is a deity = theist/religious

If you like to expand on these that's your prerogative, but it wouldn't surprise me that liberal arts classes might waste their time on pointless expansive definitions such as these.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:22 PM

Atheism in it's own way is just another religion.
You have the basic religions and atheism and all the activists seem to dedicate a lot of time and effort into spreading the word of their beliefs on everyone else while bashing the others views, it's really all the same.


People seemed to stop reading after that first sentence. The 2nd part is what I agree with. Trying to debate with a very atheist person is as frustrating as trying to debate with a very religious person.
One difference is that one will tell you you're going to hell and the other will insult and ridicule you.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:24 PM

Well no, that's your pedantic, excessively, and pointlessly expanding definition of an atheist and it's unfortunate if you have difficulty discerning the difference which is not necessary to expand upon.

Person doesn't know (not knowing being the prevailing weight and not having a conclusion) = agnostic
Person has a conclusion that there is no deity = atheist
Person has a conclusion that there is a deity = theist/religious

If you like to expand on these that's your prerogative, but it wouldn't surprise me that liberal arts classes might waste their time on pointless expansive definitions such as these.


No, that's not just my pedantic definition, that is the accepted definition, just like there is an accepted definition for the words "table" and "fork". For example, it lets us avoid such situations as this: an agnostic is a person who believes in god but doesn't know, or who doesn't believe in god but doesn't know? I mean, you think I'm being overly pedantic, rationalize this to me.

Again, words have meanings for a reason. Accept it as truth or face mis-communication at a higher rate in the future. For a business student, shouldn't they teach you the value of properly expressing yourself?

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:27 PM

Off topic, but I have to applaud Scorpio Ego for doing a marvelous job of holding the Atheist fort since Sharpshooter's banning.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:36 PM

Off topic, but I have to applaud Scorpio Ego for doing a marvelous job of holding the Atheist fort since Sharpshooter's banning.


It's easy when reality is on your side and all your opponents try to do is sling mud. Have you noticed the remarkable lack of rational discussion by the other side? It's just "atheists are as bad as Christians". All too happy to agree that atheists are as bad as the worst of Christians, but everyone forgets that just a few days ago a Christian terrorist firebombed Planned Parenthood. This thread has been laughable so far.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:43 PM

I understand that's what you have a problem with. What other groups do you have a problem with? Do you not like people congregating around a common thread? I don't understand what the problem even is.


Its pretty simple, I don't have any problems with atheists (I myself an agnostic), but I see very little difference in gathering about a religion and gathering about a lack of religion. Half the point of not being religious for me is not being in a group. If intelligent design in schools is a concern, sure join a group about that. etc etc. But I don't see a point in making a group about non belief. And what its really about as far as I can see anyway is an opposition group to religion, rather than a group of people gathering because of their atheism.

edit - ESPECIALLY in Vancouver, where i very rarely meet openly religious people.

Being atheist has nothing to do with being a free thinker, I made that point explicitly on page one.


Well, you muddied your point in later posts with comments like this:

The main theme to atheist discussions seem to be logic and critical thinking. You're claiming atheists will do exactly what they're fighting against by using the same tools to destroy as to manipulate. That's nonsensical, and if it was the case, would be extremely counter-productive.




There are conspiracy theorists from all walks of life, to suppose they're somehow going to hijack the "atheist movement" is absurd.


That's not what I was suggesting. What I was suggesting was that as any group grows it will fill itself with less than rational people. What they are irrational about is beside the point. Conspiracy theorists are just an example of that type of person.

If atheists form a political party, atheism won't be the central platform. As a group, yes, they will be susceptible to corruption just as any group with power, but does that mean we stop congregating? You're also failing to consider that the means by which atheists would gain power would be the means that prevent opportunists from capitalizing. You don't lead a horse to water only to kill it with thirst.


If atheism isn't a central platform, then what's the point. If you want a rational group, why exclude rational christians? An atheist party is a terrible idea.

And its a fantasy that this group would somehow find a means to gain power that wouldn't be exploitable. THat very way of thinking is rigid, and will lead to exploits.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:49 PM

Looks like I got some bibles to buy.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:59 PM

Its pretty simple, I don't have any problems with atheists (I myself an agnostic), but I see very little difference in gathering about a religion and gathering about a lack of religion. Half the point of not being religious for me is not being in a group. If intelligent design in schools is a concern, sure join a group about that. etc etc. But I don't see a point in making a group about non belief. And what its really about as far as I can see anyway is an opposition group to religion, rather than a group of people gathering because of their atheism.

Well, you muddied your point in later posts with comments like this:

That's not what I was suggesting. What I was suggesting was that as any group grows it will fill itself with less than rational people. What they are irrational about is beside the point. Conspiracy theorists are just an example of that type of person.

If atheism isn't a central platform, then what's the point. If you want a rational group, why exclude rational christians? An atheist party is a terrible idea.

And its a fantasy that this group would somehow find a means to gain power that wouldn't be exploitable. THat very way of thinking is rigid, and will lead to exploits.


No, I didn't muddy my point. I said they're separate, but I didn't say there isn't a correlation between the two.

Yes, an atheist party is a terrible idea, which is why atheism would never be central to it. A party started by atheists could appeal to every religion because it would be secular. No preferential treatment, like Christians get in the US, for example. And that's actually a large drive behind atheist groups in the US - resistance to oppressive theistic policies. Atheistic groups don't form because they want to sit around and sing koombaya, it's because they're concerned with the religious dominance of their nation. There are several states that prohibit atheists from holding public office in a nation with supposed separation of church and state. Then consider largely religion-based opposition to abortion and gay marriage. It's easier to form a group to battle all of the Bible-inspired legislation than to form a group for each one. Though there probably are those, too.

If I formed an atheist group, it would be to play Risk. :lol:

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:18 PM

It's easy when reality is on your side and all your opponents try to do is sling mud. Have you noticed the remarkable lack of rational discussion by the other side? It's just "atheists are as bad as Christians". All too happy to agree that atheists are as bad as the worst of Christians, but everyone forgets that just a few days ago a Christian terrorist firebombed Planned Parenthood. This thread has been laughable so far.


Not sure if you were referring to my post at all. I was in no way pointing fingers at anyone. Just saying that people often say they don't want a religion pushed on them, yet the same could be said about atheism.

And regarding the firebombing....well...religious fanatics (at least Christians) in general...I think the problem is that they don't practice what they preach. Any self-proclaimed Christian (and I'm going venture a guess and say this goes for many other religions...) who shows hatred or is violent against another, ESPECIALLY when attempting to use religion as an excuse, needs to take a good look in the mirror.

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I don't care whether or not you agree with part 1 of that quote. That's a different discussion. The bolded part is what I try to live by. I think if every Christian in the world realized that this is what is important, the world would be a heckuva lot more peaceful.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:40 PM

Not sure if you were referring to my post at all. I was in no way pointing fingers at anyone. Just saying that people often say they don't want a religion pushed on them, yet the same could be said about atheism.

And regarding the firebombing....well...religious fanatics (at least Christians) in general...I think the problem is that they don't practice what they preach. Any self-proclaimed Christian (and I'm going venture a guess and say this goes for many other religions...) who shows hatred or is violent against another, ESPECIALLY when attempting to use religion as an excuse, needs to take a good look in the mirror.

Through my years of catechism (yes I'm religious, but please hear me out), the one that was the most important to me was


I don't care whether or not you agree with part 1 of that quote. That's a different discussion. The bolded part is what I try to live by. I think if every Christian in the world realized that this is what is important, the world would be a heckuva lot more peaceful.


How is atheism being pushed on anyone? Christians come to your front door on Sunday morning to proselytize, do atheists do that? Congregating together is not pushing atheism on anyone. Ridiculing Christianity is not pushing atheism on anyone. Atheists aren't the ones telling women to get abortions or gays to marry, it's the Christians who are forcing women to do the opposite through legislation.

There are whole denominations formed around building an army of god. The problem is that when violent Christians look in the mirror, they see an imagine of Jesus that reflects them. They still believe with their whole being that what they're doing is righteous and in line with god's commands.

I agree with your latter point entirely. But that's a fantasy that will never happen. Instead, the word of god justifies everything from hatred for gay people to killing Muslims in Iraq (for some Christians, anyway) to teaching children that evolution is the tool of the devil.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:58 PM

How is atheism being pushed on anyone? Christians come to your front door on Sunday morning to proselytize, do atheists do that? Congregating together is not pushing atheism on anyone. Ridiculing Christianity is not pushing atheism on anyone. Atheists aren't the ones telling women to get abortions or gays to marry, it's the Christians who are forcing women to do the opposite through legislation.

There are whole denominations formed around building an army of god. The problem is that when violent Christians look in the mirror, they see an imagine of Jesus that reflects them. They still believe with their whole being that what they're doing is righteous and in line with god's commands.

I agree with your latter point entirely. But that's a fantasy that will never happen. Instead, the word of god justifies everything from hatred for gay people to killing Muslims in Iraq (for some Christians, anyway) to teaching children that evolution is the tool of the devil.

I wasn't specifically speaking specifically about atheists congregating or anything. Just from personal experience. My religion would come up in passing in a conversation and it would lead to someone trying to convince me to give up my faith.

Your second point (mirror part), though that may be true, I can whole heartedly say that I wouldn't agree with them. Fine then, they can come find me and I can tell them they're doing it wrong.

And completely off topic (sorry), but I find it interesting(as in I'm a little disappointed) that your thread on Bill C-279 got buried but the one about the transgendered pageant contestant continues to get traffic.




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