Atheist Students Encourage Christians To Exchange Their Bibles For…Pornography

[ckamo]

Atheism in it's own way is just another religion.

You have the basic religions and atheism and all the activists seem to dedicate a lot of time and effort into spreading the word of their beliefs on everyone else while bashing the others views, it's really all the same.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Well no, that's your pedantic, excessively, and pointlessly expanding definition of an atheist and it's unfortunate if you have difficulty discerning the difference which is not necessary to expand upon.

Person doesn't know (not knowing being the prevailing weight and not having a conclusion) = agnostic

Person has a conclusion that there is no deity = atheist

Person has a conclusion that there is a deity = theist/religious

If you like to expand on these that's your prerogative, but it wouldn't surprise me that liberal arts classes might waste their time on pointless expansive definitions such as these.

[Canuckerbird]

Off topic, but I have to applaud Scorpio Ego for doing a marvelous job of holding the Atheist fort since Sharpshooter's banning.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Off topic, but I have to applaud Scorpio Ego for doing a marvelous job of holding the Atheist fort since Sharpshooter's banning.

[butters]

I understand that's what you have a problem with. What other groups do you have a problem with? Do you not like people congregating around a common thread? I don't understand what the problem even is.

[CanuckRow]

Looks like I got some bibles to buy.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Its pretty simple, I don't have any problems with atheists (I myself an agnostic), but I see very little difference in gathering about a religion and gathering about a lack of religion. Half the point of not being religious for me is not being in a group. If intelligent design in schools is a concern, sure join a group about that. etc etc. But I don't see a point in making a group about non belief. And what its really about as far as I can see anyway is an opposition group to religion, rather than a group of people gathering because of their atheism.

Well, you muddied your point in later posts with comments like this:

That's not what I was suggesting. What I was suggesting was that as any group grows it will fill itself with less than rational people. What they are irrational about is beside the point. Conspiracy theorists are just an example of that type of person.

If atheism isn't a central platform, then what's the point. If you want a rational group, why exclude rational christians? An atheist party is a terrible idea.

And its a fantasy that this group would somehow find a means to gain power that wouldn't be exploitable. THat very way of thinking is rigid, and will lead to exploits.

[ckamo]

It's easy when reality is on your side and all your opponents try to do is sling mud. Have you noticed the remarkable lack of rational discussion by the other side? It's just "atheists are as bad as Christians". All too happy to agree that atheists are as bad as the worst of Christians, but everyone forgets that just a few days ago a Christian terrorist firebombed Planned Parenthood. This thread has been laughable so far.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Not sure if you were referring to my post at all. I was in no way pointing fingers at anyone. Just saying that people often say they don't want a religion pushed on them, yet the same could be said about atheism.

And regarding the firebombing....well...religious fanatics (at least Christians) in general...I think the problem is that they don't practice what they preach. Any self-proclaimed Christian (and I'm going venture a guess and say this goes for many other religions...) who shows hatred or is violent against another, ESPECIALLY when attempting to use religion as an excuse, needs to take a good look in the mirror.

Through my years of catechism (yes I'm religious, but please hear me out), the one that was the most important to me was

I don't care whether or not you agree with part 1 of that quote. That's a different discussion. The bolded part is what I try to live by. I think if every Christian in the world realized that this is what is important, the world would be a heckuva lot more peaceful.

[ckamo]

How is atheism being pushed on anyone? Christians come to your front door on Sunday morning to proselytize, do atheists do that? Congregating together is not pushing atheism on anyone. Ridiculing Christianity is not pushing atheism on anyone. Atheists aren't the ones telling women to get abortions or gays to marry, it's the Christians who are forcing women to do the opposite through legislation.

There are whole denominations formed around building an army of god. The problem is that when violent Christians look in the mirror, they see an imagine of Jesus that reflects them. They still believe with their whole being that what they're doing is righteous and in line with god's commands.

I agree with your latter point entirely. But that's a fantasy that will never happen. Instead, the word of god justifies everything from hatred for gay people to killing Muslims in Iraq (for some Christians, anyway) to teaching children that evolution is the tool of the devil.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

I wasn't specifically speaking specifically about atheists congregating or anything. Just from personal experience. My religion would come up in passing in a conversation and it would lead to someone trying to convince me to give up my faith.

Your second point (mirror part), though that may be true, I can whole heartedly say that I wouldn't agree with them. Fine then, they can come find me and I can tell them they're doing it wrong.

And completely off topic (sorry), but I find it interesting(as in I'm a little disappointed) that your thread on Bill C-279 got buried but the one about the transgendered pageant contestant continues to get traffic.

[7thMan]

Atheism in it's own way is just another religion.

You have the basic religions and atheism and all the activists seem to dedicate a lot of time and effort into spreading the word of their beliefs on everyone else while bashing the others views, it's really all the same.

Then you have people who just kind of drift through life not caring to explain the unexplainable and just living life.

Except you have to make the effort to go pick it up when any smart consumer could just go online and view any of the infinite amount of pictures and videos for free without ever leaving home.

[î мцšт вяздк чфµ]

here's an idea. just leave the religious people alone. stop being such attention whores.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

here's an idea. just leave the religious people alone. stop being such attention whores.

[Coda]

Hmm...just read through this thread.

"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Hmm...just read through this thread.

This is a badly disguised backhanded attack against the Character of those on the opposing side of the discussion. What's more it is quite definitely false: there are many many reasonable and intelligent people who believe in God. I know many myself. If you truly believe the sentence you quoted, it is you who has the closed mind.

Despite being a firm Christian, I believe there are many reasonable atheists.

This is supposed to contribute to the discussion?

The fact that you think all religious beliefs are the same: that, for example, "Orthodox" Christian beliefs are the same as "Fundamentalist" Islam beliefs simply displays your lack of knowledge on the subject. Apparently there are over 33,000 Christian denominations alone, with differing opinions on almost every subject under the sun (I'm not saying this is a good thing!). Just as the only thing that joins all atheists together is a lack of belief in God, the only thing that binds all theists together is a belief in a God.

That said, I think it is obvious that rational atheists will tend towards a certain world view and world philosophy, just as Orthodox Christians will tend towards a certain world view and philosophy. At the moment that that popular atheistic world view is perhaps most influenced by people like Dawkins and Hitchens.

Mao and Stalin, probably the two people who killed the most people in the 20th century, were atheists. Did they kill those tens of millions in the name of Atheism? No. However, a logical conclusion to the atheistic thought process is, not believing in a God, an individual establishes themselves as the ultimate authority of right and wrong. Believing killing tens of millions was a needed step towards a greater good, they did it. And who's to say they were wrong? Their's was quite a rational decison.

I don't know if its very valuable arguing over who is worse. I am sure there are many Atheists who are much nicer than many Christians.

On the subject of killing abortion doctors: I think this is a very bad thing to do.

If you're not trying to change people's opinion, why do you make so many posts bashing God and Christians? Isn't the point of a debate to influence and be influenced?

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

In related news, local hotels are reporting a drop in wifi use and an increase in bible theft.

[Coda]

Well ain't that somethin'. I suppose I have to take the time to post a rational rebuttal to this verbal diarrhea, don't I?

That is not a badly disguised backhanded attack, it's a clearly openhanded slap. Do you question if god exists, as a Christian? Are you an agnostic theist? More on the subject, faith is defined as belief without evidence. Now what's less rational than that? I know theists who are rational, but they're neither Christian nor Muslim.

[Stefan]

I lost interest.

I'm happy not being told how to live my life.

If you want to be told how to live your life, go for it.

Jesus was a jew anyways

[Satan's Evil Twin]

I don't go about trying to disprove the existance of God...just as I doubt you go about trying to find God. However, I believe in God because I believe that to be the most rational belief. If I didn't think belief in God was a rational belief, I would naturally

no longer believe in him. Pretty simple?

I don't claim the existence of God can be proven, therefore I have faith in his existence. (I think the word "faith" in Christianity is more like trust. Referring more to a certain way of life instead of simply a belief in God). However that doesn't mean I believe blindly in God. There are lots of arguments for God. Anthony Flew is one famous atheist who changed his opinion on the matter:

So you don't think atheists are necessarily critical thinkers? Interesting.

That's good to know. I hope you won't use that silly argument (that Atheists are incredibly diverse while Theists are all the same) again.

You deny that Dawkins and Hitchens have had a big impact on popular atheism? The President of the Atheist Club at my University for one is extremely intelligent, and he is extremely influenced by the two.

I'm not qualified to talk about Atheistic philosophy. But then again...this is an internet forum, not a classroom.

BTW, I also like reading the news and learning things about the world. I think science is quite helpful in fact.

What? I was stating a logical conclusion to a premise.

It is quite rational if an atheist believes: 1) Killing tens of millions is for the greater good. and 2) Kills tens of millions of people.

It is also quite rational for a theist who believes: 2) God believes killing tens of millions is for the greater good. to then 2) Kill tens of millions.

If you try to base a kind of morality on science you might disagree with the premise. Likewise I would disagree with the premise that Christians should murder people.

Mao and Stalin were responsible for the deaths of more people than all the religious wars and crusades of the 3 Abrahamic religions put together. So yes, atheists are responsible for many deaths, as are Christians responsible for many deaths.

You should try to learn what the Orthodox (traditional bible-based belief) is before you make ridiculous statements. Personally I don't know of any such church minister who teaches people to stone women and children. In fact I find the Christians I associate with very peaceable.

I'm sure there are some Kuckoo Christians who do believe that. There are lots of differing Christian beliefs as I mentioned before.

BTW, I don't think you're "The Bad Guy". I just think you're wrong.