Atheist Students Encourage Christians To Exchange Their Bibles For…Pornography

[VICanucksfan5551]

No, I haven't practiced Hinduism or Islam, however I've studied those religions a little bit, and I think most people would agree they very different from Christianity. The redeeming nature of Christianity, and the message that Jesus preached was very different from the religion of "Jihad" that Muhammed advocated.

[EX_Bert_Worshipper]

What bothers me the most is that some people who choose to follow a particular faith or some people who choose to call themselves atheists insist that they are "right" and if you disagree, you are "wrong" and need "correcting". Who can say with 100% certainty that their perceptions and understandings are right? Not one of us (remember when we all thought the earth was flat? That the planets revolved around Earth?) As humans, we learn from experiences and then form our comprehensions based on that.

Why do some people actually care what someone else believes? Believe what you want and let others have the same freedom. That goes for both sides of the great debate.

SHEESH!

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

What bothers me the most is that some people who choose to follow a particular faith or some people who choose to call themselves atheists insist that they are "right" and if you disagree, you are "wrong" and need "correcting". Who can say with 100% certainty that their perceptions and understandings are right? Not one of us (remember when we all thought the earth was flat? That the planets revolved around Earth?) As humans, we learn from experiences and then form our comprehensions based on that.

Why do some people actually care what someone else believes? Believe what you want and let others have the same freedom. That goes for both sides of the great debate.

SHEESH!

[EX_Bert_Worshipper]

Let me see, on one hand we have a ton of empirical evidence supported by scientists worldwide and on the other we have a book. One side uses the scientific method to determine the truth, the other has blind faith. Seems pretty easy to me.

Not to mention one side is at odds with each other as to which magical being actually exists and the number of them in question. If you guys don't want to talk about it don't bring it up. I don't need 100% certainty that god doesn't exist but I will settle with a fraction of a percent if someone can share with me some evidence that he/she/it does.

[canucks since 77]

The same could be said for atheist voters. Why would atheists vote for the same political party even though said political party is known to be corrupt and ineffectual as a govt? Faith that they will hold their campaign promises?

[Buddhas Hand]

What bothers me the most is that some people who choose to follow a particular faith or some people who choose to call themselves atheists insist that they are "right" and if you disagree, you are "wrong" and need "correcting". Who can say with 100% certainty that their perceptions and understandings are right? Not one of us (remember when we all thought the earth was flat? That the planets revolved around Earth?) As humans, we learn from experiences and then form our comprehensions based on that.

Why do some people actually care what someone else believes? Believe what you want and let others have the same freedom. That goes for both sides of the great debate.

SHEESH!

[EX_Bert_Worshipper]

right on brother . there should be more tolerance for other people's views . i have read all these definitions of faith in this thread ,in the context we are using it in i take it to mean that there is a willingness to believe and this is tempered by events in our live's. what saddens me is that some people just want to force their beliefs on others , and seem to be deaf to the opinions of those who do not believe what they do .

myself i really do not know what to believe , the scientists purported that there ain't no purpose , and the theologians tell me that its all been decided now i am trying to maintain objectivity, the world won't illuminate what really matters, but what i do know is that it costs you nothing to treat others and what they believe in with a little dignity and respect .

[Z3tt3rB3rg19]

Let me see, on one hand we have a ton of empirical evidence supported by scientists worldwide and on the other we have a book. One side uses the scientific method to determine the truth, the other has blind faith. Seems pretty easy to me.

Not to mention one side is at odds with each other as to which magical being actually exists and the number of them in question. If you guys don't want to talk about it don't bring it up. I don't need 100% certainty that god doesn't exist but I will settle with a fraction of a percent if someone can share with me some evidence that he/she/it does.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

As it has been said already in this thread, and countless others, the day my tax dollars stop going to fund religious organizations, and governors stop contemplating signing evolution bills, is the day you can believe whatever the hell you want in peace.

[JamesTW]

Atheism in it's own way is just another religion.

You have the basic religions and atheism and all the activists seem to dedicate a lot of time and effort into spreading the word of their beliefs on everyone else while bashing the others views, it's really all the same.

Then you have people who just kind of drift through life not caring to explain the unexplainable and just living life.

Except you have to make the effort to go pick it up when any smart consumer could just go online and view any of the infinite amount of pictures and videos for free without ever leaving home.

[JamesTW]

Exactly! I have never understood why people get so mad / disrespectful about it.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

You seem to assume that all Faith is bad. Actually everybody acts on Faith every day, in our interactions with other people and our environment. Then too, we can't prove absolutely that what is revealed by our senses is not an illusion. If nobody acted on Faith, nothing would ever be done.

You also seem to assume that God has not or could not give his revelation to people on Earth. I happen to believe that the Bible records such a revelation, which I can't prove. Yes, this involves adopting beliefs about the Characteristics of God, but again, you assume that this is a bad thing. The type of Christianity I believe in, which could broadly be described as Orthodox Christianity, and which is by far the dominant form of Christianity through history, at least after the Reformation when people actually began reading the bible, has had an incrediblely positive impact on the West and the World in general, a little of which I've mentioned before.

No, I haven't practiced Hinduism or Islam, however I've studied those religions a little bit, and I think most people would agree they very different from Christianity. The redeeming nature of Christianity, and the message that Jesus preached was very different from the religion of "Jihad" that Muhammed advocated. As you mention Hinduism, I have begun reading a book called "The Book that changed our World" by an Indian Christian called Vishal Mangalwadi. He is very critical of the influence he sees of Hinduism and Mysticism in India and believes that the Christian philosophy brought by the British has been the most postive thing India has ever received, even despite the obvious faults of Imperialism.

You may think you are best to judge religions as an outsider, however, you are not unbiased yourself.

1. It seems highly doubtful there ever will be a theory of everything, as things break down at a certain level as you say. Attempts to avoid the need for a singularity don't have a whole lot to support them, and generally can't be tested. The last one I heard of was by Penrose:

http://physicsworld....before-big-bang

which has gotten a lot of criticism. As I say, I don't claim that there is proof the Universe had a beginning, but there is a strong argument that it did.

2. Your fascination with the nature of God before the Universe existed is interesting but a little bizarre. Do you really want me to provide evidence for something that happened even before the universe existed? That's absurd.

I do have reasons for believing in Christianity instead of something else. If you're really interested in the subject, two of my favourite books are Mere Christianity and Orthodoxy by C.S. Lewis and G.K. Chesterton, both of whom are a lot smarter than me. Both of these authors rejected Christianity as young men but then adopted it again after much inward struggle.

I completely support the separation of Church and State, and would not vote for Rick Santorum if I was an American. I don't support the policing of the personal lives of other people. However abortion is another matter, as we're talking about the conflicting rights of two individuals. I see the life of the baby to me more important than any inconvenience or hardship of the mother. Unwanted babies should be put up for adoption.

I don't claim that Christians are necessarily better people than atheists. I believe Christians should behave well...then again I think atheists should too. I've mentioned bad atheists because you seem to believe that Faith is The major problem facing the World. I maintain that, even including all the bad religions and all the bad actions of religious people, the world would be worse off without Faith than with it. I like this essay by George Orwell, who, even though he might have been an atheist and was anti-Christian, recognized the bad effects of removing Faith from the world:

http://orwell.ru/lib...english/e_notew

In every culture there have been bad and evil people. This does not change with the removal of Faith, as has certainly been shown throughout the history of the last 100 years.

Your philosophy "Be the Change You Want to See" is admirable as far as it goes. However, to name some extreme examples, Hitler, Stalin and Mao certainly vigorously enacted this principle. The important thing remains: what is right and what is wrong? Your apparent belief that humanity is naturally good is not one backed up by history at all.

I believe humans have very good aspects about them. However I also believe they are fallen, and not every natural instinct is a good one.

[Satan's Evil Twin]

Who is "you guys"? I never even stated which side of the fence I sit on. Actually, I'm right on the middle, keeping an open mind. I don't follow a religion and I don't denounce anything, either. Also, your claim that the only proof of a religious belief is the bible. I have never even read the bible.

And I certainly don't claim that anything I feel, think, read, etc. is the right way to go.

Did you know that there are "scientific studies" that follow the ins and outs of parapsychology? So, if they run studies and state evidence that people can communicate telepathically, do you believe that? Science and studies are also not 100%. There is still so much that we don't know / understand (e.g. how to jellyfish manage to move in groups?)

All I'm saying is who really cares (and sometimes venonmously) what someone else believes? To each their own.

[unbridled_id]

What is your concern....that these values may spread up north ?

[Buddhas Hand]

I don't know, am I speaking French or something? Because in English, what I said read something like:

and

Nowhere do I imply anything about all faith being anything. And again, you're using a different definition than the one I'm using. I've tried to clarify, but maybe my French is really bad. When I have faith my friend will do the right thing, it's not very much like having faith in god. Come the fark on.

Let's not make this about what you believe, I really don't care. I've agreed that Christianity has had a positive impact, so have Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. I've also said that today, it's irrelevant if not for ignorance of the masses. Christianity will go the way of the dodo (if it didn't go extinct, but left a few crazy looking birds with signs of impeding doom).

Talk about showing ignorance of another religion. You're so out of your league I feel embarrassed for you. If only Ninja or S19 were reading, I'd hope they would have something to say about "Jihad" Mohammad. Another thing you still can't understand is that you're still talking about the belief that vary among religions, while I'm talking about the faith that leads you believe those various things. I can give you 10 writers who talk about negative Christian influence in America. I don't know how any of this is relevant, but I suggest you read a book on logic. I think it will be infinitely more helpful to you.

I am an outsider, and my bias is toward you all. I'm as neutral as it gets, without finding an Amazonian tribe that has no concept of "god".

Ah yes, "we probably will never know". I wish these threads didn't succumb to such stupid phrases every goddamn time. Things break down in the current model, this is why science refines its models. We're not talking about your religious mumbo jumbo with gods that exist outside the universe, we're talking about the natural universe. There are theories being worked on right now that deal with this very subject.

None of this strengthens your Kalam argument either. It still relies on presupposed qualities of the universe which are yet to be fit into any current functional scientific model. It may very well be that the big bang was the one and only, of course. Or it may be a series of big bangs, occurring after the universe expands so far that it implodes on itself, starting from scratch. We just don't know. (Wait a minute, aren't atheists supposed to claim they know everything?)

Interesting but bizarre? It is absurd to demand evidence from you of a god outside the universe. Almost as absurd as bringing it up as any kind of argument. Micheal Jackson is outside the known universe, and it's absurd to ask me to prove otherwise.

There are a lot of people who are smarter than you, that's really not saying much at all. You can tell me more about what Christian authors you read as if I should be impressed, or you can actually give me some reasons you think are rational to be a Christian (not to simply believe in a god).

You know why you've mentioned bad atheists? Because you still can't comprehend what the conversation is about. Faith a major problem holding the world? Where do you get this nonsense? I think our apathy is the biggest problem facing the world.

Yes, there are plenty of bad people. You act like I disagreed with you on this. You also never clarified what you were trying to say about the millions being killed rationally. Did you forget?

How the hell did Mao, Hitler, and Stalin enact the my principle?

Fark it, I'm done. Some free advice before I leave: less theistic literature and more anything else. Archie comics would be a good start.

[Mr. Ambien]

You don't know what atheism means do you. I am an atheist and all it means is that I don't believe a god or gods exist there is nothing else to it. I don't go to meetings I don't preach and it requires no faith. It's absolutely not a religion.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

Who is "you guys"? I never even stated which side of the fence I sit on. Actually, I'm right on the middle, keeping an open mind. I don't follow a religion and I don't denounce anything, either. Also, your claim that the only proof of a religious belief is the bible. I have never even read the bible.

And I certainly don't claim that anything I feel, think, read, etc. is the right way to go.

Did you know that there are "scientific studies" that follow the ins and outs of parapsychology? So, if they run studies and state evidence that people can communicate telepathically, do you believe that? Science and studies are also not 100%. There is still so much that we don't know / understand (e.g. how to jellyfish manage to move in groups?)

All I'm saying is who really cares (and sometimes venonmously) what someone else believes? To each their own.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

Plenty of religious people don't go to church, yet associate with the common belief systems known as religion that also define a creator (and obviously believe one exists), but you don't preach? Try again. Scorpio Ego, humorously, didn't learn after being told, and neither will you. The bold is exactly why you are religious, but the opposite end of the belief system to those who do think there is any deity. You've made up your mind in absolute terms about the concept of a deity, you have no proof one doesn't exist, just as religious people have no proof a deity or deities exist, you're no different. Quit pretending like you are. If it was merely honesty you'd be honest and admit you have no clue. Commitment to such an important question when one hasn't a clue is faith and guesswork.

[Mr. Ambien]

I lol'd and then cried for humanity.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

Emo is not a belief system.