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#1 Grape

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:10 PM

I'm seriously confused why everybody is complaining about MAG right now, and even after the flames game where i thought he played just fine.

He did make some bad plays the first few games he played, but right now he is really contributing to our offence. I know he doesn't have a lot of points, but at least he's making plays

What can't you guys see the bright side of MAG, not just him on defence, because that is not what we brought him in for, we brought him in for offence.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

He's still relatively young, and does have some potential. I expect him to improve after a couple of years in the organization.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:22 PM

Considering Gillis and AV made sure he played enough games so he didn't become a UFA shows that they see potential. Coming into a team at the trade deadline that is as good as the Canucks can't be easy. I expect to start seeing how good he is next season.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:23 PM

- He always appears to be lost (in no man's land) in our own zone
- At times, he goes offside. He's a defenceman going offside on like a 2-on-3!
- He's in behind the goal line in the offensive zone at the randomest times
- He wanders the ice sometimes in the offensive zone rather than staying on the point
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:24 PM

why is av giving grags more pp time then ballard??? i dont get it can anyone explain to me??

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

My guess is that he'll be up here full time next year.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:26 PM

He is a smart player for sure

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:32 PM

He really plays a similar game to Ehrhoff.

Give him time to learn the system, and he should be a solid bottom pairing option for next year.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:40 PM

I really want to see him excel here but he is making a lot of mistakes (everyone knows what they are...). His playoff game is strong (unless last year was a fluke); he should be fine.



I wouldn't be surprised if he were to be traded (things don't seem to be going well at all). Hopefully he picks up his game (team chemistry doesn't take that long to develop, sometimes the system might not be right).
* For his sake, I'd be happy to see him traded, would fit in quite well with either the Sharks or Caps


* I'm a huge Grags fan (have been for roughly a year and a half now)

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:50 PM

My whole post got deleted?? Retype time.

He's only ever played 78 NHL games, came to a new team, new conference and is playing on his offside (he's a natural lefty).

He's also coming off a 3 game pt streak (which ended tonight). Ballard has never had a 3 gm pt streak w/ Nucks. Did I mention he's almost 1/8th the cost of Ballard. When he re-ups this summer, I can't see him making more than $1.1M which is still 1/4 the cost of Ballard.

Grags has 3 pts in 14 games w/ Nucks (projected 18 pts in 82 gms)
Ballard has 7 pts in 47 games w/ Nucks (projected 12 pts in 82 gms)

Would you rather have:

$.550M defenseman w/ 18 pts on your bottom d-pairing
$4.2M defenseman w/ 12 pts on your bottom d-pairing

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:02 AM

He's not even making that many mistakes, none more than anyone else. Every opposing teams goal usually has some kind of defensive mistake. And its not always him, we've just got all eyes on him because he's new

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:15 AM

- He always appears to be lost (in no man's land) in our own zone
- At times, he goes offside. He's a defenceman going offside on like a 2-on-3!
- He's in behind the goal line in the offensive zone at the randomest times
- He wanders the ice sometimes in the offensive zone rather than staying on the point


Basicly... this. I see him WAY to deep into the offensive zone as a defensemen.Like, behind the net and by goal line Big nono. Easy to get caught behind for odd man rushes for other team and hes forced to haul butt up the ice.

I'm saying that hes pretty bad right NOW, but in the future (when he learns our system, etc) I foresee great things. At least MG did, anyway.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:17 AM

He is not very reliable in his own end....he is not physical either.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:22 AM

Not worried about Grags. He's a quick skating puck moving d man with loads of upside.

Yes he has lots to work on; but he's only 24; and considering the heavy hitters he has around him; I'm not worried about that side of his game.

On top of that, hes a former AHL Dman of the year, and has been coached by AV before. Be just a little more patient my fellow Canucks fans. :)

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:26 AM

Pretty good in the offensive zone; still needs a bit of work in the defensive zone and is prone to poorly timed gaffs.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:30 AM

Grags is awesome, he's super fast, makes beautiful tape to tape passes. His maneuverability is uncanny the way he moves around the ice. He doesn't move like any other player I've ever seen defense or forward. He never stops moving. Sets up beautiful one-timer chances, and can score. I like him way, way more than I like Ballard, Rome, or Alberts.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:30 AM

Man like I said before, Grags makes some ill advised playes in the defensive zone, but did you see the sick passes he made tonight? His offensive instincts is sweet too. Going in to the open areas for a good offensive chance.

Thing about Grags though is that he makes up for his terrible plays with some cheeky offensive plays. He's a hit or miss player... The player that is heralded as a star of the game or the dog in the doghouse.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:31 AM

- He always appears to be lost (in no man's land) in our own zone
- At times, he goes offside. He's a defenceman going offside on like a 2-on-3!
- He's in behind the goal line in the offensive zone at the randomest times
- He wanders the ice sometimes in the offensive zone rather than staying on the point


This..

He has about 3 or 4 flashes of brilliance in a game, the rest is just wandering, not picking up/boxing out the man infront of the net, not getting in the passing lanes, and just some 'What are you even thinking' moments.

I would expect Rome to be in the line-up before Gragani in the playoffs, and I really hope so. He is WAY more sound defensively that Gragani, and that is what counts come playoff time.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:35 AM

He makes the occasional mistake. He's young and a bit out of the water. He needs time to get use to the team style. He's got a future here.
You have to be a true bandwagoneer if you buy Mike's line about looking for the right deal to trade Luongo.

True fans and hockey diehards know, that is double talk for, "Luongo is a high ticket commodity now or next year, we'll keep him around just in case Schneider turns out to be a lemon and chokes games."

And choke he will.

I know this. I'm never wrong.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:39 AM

why is av giving grags more pp time then ballard??? i dont get it can anyone explain to me??

ballard is out with a concussion!! B)

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:39 AM

He's fine. I like how he rushes to the offensive zone and to the front of the net tonight.He's still learning the system, and makes fewer mistakes than some of the high priced guys on this team.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:45 AM

I've been reading this forum ever since the big trade and now that my team is out of the playoffs I'm going to give a short answer to my opinion of the trade. Out of respect to the emotions that you guys were feeling I stayed away from posting up until now.

I thought at first that Darcy fleeced the 'nucks big time but now I'm not so sure about that anymore.

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CoHo- Poor player defensively and I've seen him give up on plays a couple of times after he's gotten deked out ahead of the blue line. He skates like he's skating in mud (i.e. slow). He seems to be well liked by the team so far. I still have very high hopes for him. He will get better every season.

Sulzer- I absolutely love this guy! He works hard and he does what it takes to win a game.
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Kassian- Make no mistake about it. Big Kass only got traded because he was in Lindy's dog house for quite some time. I want to see him do well. He needs seasoning to become a very good player. I'm thrilled that the Canuck organization is playing him on it's fourth line. He will be a part of your future but make no mistake about it, he will never be a Lucic kind of player. However he works very hard and is a great guy off the ice.

Gragnani- In my opinion he will not be a part of the Canuck's organization for more than another year or two. The Canucks are just too good of a team for him to ever crack the lineup in any meaningful way.

Like I said this is just my opinion. Take it as you will.

P.S. I'm rooting for the Preds first and foremost to make it because Goose (Gaustad) was traded to them. I love that guy. However once the Preds get bounced from the playoffs I'm going to root for the 'nucks because I would like to see Big Kass' name on the cup.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:54 AM

I've been reading this forum ever since the big trade and now that my team is out of the playoffs I'm going to give a short answer to my opinion of the trade. Out of respect to the emotions that you guys were feeling I stayed away from posting up until now.

I thought at first that Darcy fleeced the 'nucks big time but now I'm not so sure about that anymore.

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CoHo- Poor player defensively and I've seen him give up on plays a couple of times after he's gotten deked out ahead of the blue line. He skates like he's skating in mud (i.e. slow). He seems to be well liked by the team so far. I still have very high hopes for him. He will get better every season.

Sulzer- I absolutely love this guy! He works hard and he does what it takes to win a game.
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Kassian- Make no mistake about it. Big Kass only got traded because he was in Lindy's dog house for quite some time. I want to see him do well. He needs seasoning to become a very good player. I'm thrilled that the Canuck organization is playing him on it's fourth line. He will be a part of your future but make no mistake about it, he will never be a Lucic kind of player. However he works very hard and is a great guy off the ice.

Gragnani- In my opinion he will not be a part of the Canuck's organization for more than another year or two. The Canucks are just too good of a team for him to ever crack the lineup in any meaningful way.

Like I said this is just my opinion. Take it as you will.

P.S. I'm rooting for the Preds first and foremost to make it because Goose (Gaustad) was traded to them. I love that guy. However once the Preds get bounced from the playoffs I'm going to root for the 'nucks because I would like to see Big Kass' name on the cup.


Nice. Always like to hear Sabres fan perspectives. It's safe to say 'the trade' is still on the forefront of some peoples minds. But why u no cheer for Canucks? lol. Just joshin.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:03 AM

Nice. Always like to hear Sabres fan perspectives. It's safe to say 'the trade' is still on the forefront of some peoples minds. But why u no cheer for Canucks? lol. Just joshin.


Under my P.S. I put the Preds as my first team and the 'nucks as my second team.  The Preds because their fans are pretty cool, but most of all because we traded Gaustad to them.  There's no way that the Preds will get past the second round though.  If I remember correctly, Gaustad becomes a UFA after this season and any team would do well for themselves by picking him up.The Canucks are my second team because Kassian now plays for them and also because I'm pretty much bandwagoning because I think that the Canucks are going to take the cup and finally because our teams joined the league at the same time so there's a little history there between the two teams.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:15 AM

The other night when Lu was pulled, a couple of those goals were caused by really bad defensive plays by MAG. They were still shots that Lu probably could have gotten if he was on his game a bit more, but if MAG had been playing his position properly, those shots would likely not have been taken at all.

And really, he might have just had a three game point streak, but other than that he's barely showed up on the offense either.

So to sum it up, he's really aggressive offensively but hasn't been putting up many points, and he makes some really bad defensive plays. He also seems to have trouble forcing people off the puck and making solid checks. Not saying he has no upside, obviously he can move the puck really well, but that doesn't really make up for his weaknesses.

So yeah, people aren't really loving him right now, it does make sense. Just like Kassian though, willing to give him a chance. Can't wait to see what those two bring in the Playoffs, because let's face it, the regular season hasn't mattered all year other than just to get back to the playoffs.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:16 AM

You guys gonna want a sound defenseman in the playoffs or one that is in behind the opposition's net all the time? That's the question.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:56 AM

Ehrhoff 2.0? Nawww...

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:42 AM

He's very smart and great offensive vision, he can make some lovely passes and sneak in at the right point, but MAG is terrible defensively. He can't block a pass very well and is very poor positionally.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:52 AM

why is av giving grags more pp time then ballard??? i dont get it can anyone explain to me??

Ballard has a concussion- have you been in a coma?

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:57 AM

The other night when Lu was pulled, a couple of those goals were caused by really bad defensive plays by MAG. They were still shots that Lu probably could have gotten if he was on his game a bit more, but if MAG had been playing
his position properly, those shots would likely not have been taken at all.

And really, he might have just had a three game point streak, but other than that he's barely showed up on the offense either.

So to sum it up, he's really aggressive
offensively but hasn't been putting up many
points, and he makes some really bad defensive
plays. He also seems to have trouble forcing
people off the puck and making solid checks.
Not saying he has no upside, obviously he can
move the puck really well, but that doesn't really
make up for his weaknesses.
So yeah, people aren't really loving him right now, it does make sense. Just like Kassian though, willing to give him a chance. Can't wait to see what those two bring in the Playoffs, because let's face it, the regular season hasn't
mattered all year other than just to get back to the playoffs.

After such rich ( and accurate) descriptions of grags' shortcomings what on earth makes you think he has anything better to offer postseason? Hopefully Ballard (not thats he's all that) will have a green light and MAG will have enough games to not be ufa and he can go away til next season

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