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#31 Honeydew

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:42 AM

Knowing Kesler he's going to activate beast mode like he did during the Nashville series.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:43 AM

When Daniel comes back put him on the 2nd line. We have to stop treating these 2 players (Sedins) likey can only play together and pretend they are 2 seperate players that are not related. Put Daniel on the 2nd line, and leave Hernik With Burrows and Raymond, and there you go. In fact why not try Booth with Henrik.

 

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

The Sedins need a power forward with them to play in the playoffs, someone like Kassian, or Bitz, then, they will really shine, no more punching in the face from little weasels like Marchand, Kassian would kill that piece of crap.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

I'd like to see

Lapierre Henrik Booth -> Mucker, Passer, Scorer
Daniel Kesler Burrows -> Passer, Scorer, Mucker
Higgins Pahlsson Hansen -> Shutdown
Ebbett Malhotra Kassian -> Speedster/goal scorer, defensive specialist, hitter/fighter

Spare: Raymond, Weise, Bitz

I'd put in Weise or Bitz for Ebbett
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:46 AM

meh, I'd rather see what they do in a playoff game before splitting them up, you can juggle in mid game if it's not working out.
Kesler in playoffs = beast.


I agree with this............After 2 home games i would rather judge. Kesler and Booth strike me as the type of players that just need something to motivate there power games to the next level. Playoffs should be just the tonic IMO.

Last 10 games have been alarming though. If Daniel takes time to get to the next level and the pp continues to struggle we really could be ripe for the picking.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:47 AM

I remember saying at the beginning of the Year that Kesler should have been moved to the wing (where He started his career)
Putting Coho in the Middle to distribute the puck to the speedy and shoot happy Booth and Kesler

All great centres are set up men and passers first
They are the Drive -( Coach V mentioned earlier for Kes to use his wingers)


When Booth drives to the Net with the puck,why isnt someone following Him for the rebound ?

Maybe they feel that if they are not getting the Passes, that they have to do it themselves to get the chance to score?
Im not sure how You fix it this late, but I do know they have to move the puck around more

regarding PP, I remember Kes standing in front creating havoc for the Goalie, I no longer see that (maybe saving His body for the rigors of the Playofffs)?
Wondered why they didnt try putting Kass to do that job (Like Bertuzzi did here in his day??



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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:53 AM

Wow many people splitting up the twins? We all know that Hank can get stuff done without Daniel but can Daniel score without his bro? My guess is that the only way we will see the twins on different lines is if things are going very wrong. I strongly believe that splitting the twins up, if it works can be a great strategy in a long series. As the series goes on, teams stack their top checkers and D men against the twins. But if they are on differnt lines, that means the opposition has to build 2 top notch checking lines and D pairings. So I would start the series with them together and as soon as it appears that they are being stiffled, split them and watch the other team try to adopt.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

I don't agree with splitting sedin line unless they are not producing like anything. 1st priority is to keep the sedin line together.

As for booth I like to see him more passing the puck to his teammates. Fact that kesler is struggling this year is due to not finding correct partners. Last year Raymond was on his horse so that helped him and no doubt higgins is best part in helping kesler.

This year there has been ups and down of kesler. Plus, AV is putting kesler on point on the powerplay instead of front of the net. I truly believe that kesler is better around the net than on the point.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:11 PM

omg people can't blame raymond anymore


People can ALWAYS blame Raymond. :emot-parrot:
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:23 PM

The second line needs a playmaker. Someone like, gee I dunno, Cody Hodgson?AV should put Ebbett in place of either Booth or Raymond until Daniel gets back. When Daniel is healthy, this is how I'd start the lines...Burrows / Henrik / LapierreBooth / Kesler / DanielHiggins / Pahlsson / HansenRaymond / Malhotra / Ebbett, Weiss or BitzI said here after the Finals last season that one of the things AV will need to in the coming season is split up the twins for short periods of time. It would make the Sedins more versatile and the entire team harder to defend against.Another line he needs to start using 5 on 5 is the Sedins with Kesler. He hasn't used that line 5 on 5 ever, and it's baffling. Imagine if the Avs never loaded Forsberg and Sakic up on the same line, or if the Wings never put Datsyuk and Zetterberg out together?But whether or not AV gets his head together, if they don't find a way to get their PP going, they could be in for a very short playoff run.Here's a tip, boys:SHOOT THE GODDAM PUCK!


Kassian is actually a pretty damn good playmaker.......that's been the biggest surprise in his game, for me. I'd like to see him get some time up there.

Sedin Sedin Booth - say what you want about Booth, but he gains the offensive zone nicely
Burrows Kes Kassian - Size, speed, grit and offense
Higgins Sammy Hansen - no need to explain
Raymond Lappy Manny - speed, grit, some offense, two solid faceoff men, three solid defensive fwds

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:28 PM

omg people can't blame raymond anymore


No, because in a Physical playoff game
Raymond will not even be on the Line-up card

He may get in some games,used as a Penalty killer though

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:00 PM

No, because in a Physical playoff game
Raymond will not even be on the Line-up card

He may get in some games,used as a Penalty killer though


I think you may be in for a shock on that one :)
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:05 PM

booth /kes/raymond = 3 puck hogs.....


Yeah, when that line was put together I figured that would happen. They just can't play with each other, they all want to do the same thing.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:14 PM

Kassian is actually a pretty damn good playmaker.......that's been the biggest surprise in his game, for me. I'd like to see him get some time up there.

Oh really, Kassian a playmaker...I'd like to see this side of him. Does he have the vision, hockey smarts and exceptional passing abilities? Right now I'm seeing hands of stone when it comes to shooting, but a big body that can protect the puck.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:18 PM

Oh really, Kassian a playmaker...I'd like to see this side of him. Does he have the vision, hockey smarts and exceptional passing abilities? Right now I'm seeing hands of stone when it comes to shooting, but a big body that can protect the puck.


He actually can be a very good passer. I don't know if you have noticed but he makes those nice, short, quick passes that open up the ice. Exactly a guy that should be put with RK17 in the playoffs.
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Very good top-6 offensively and also a lot of grit.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:24 PM

We will only go as far as Kes brings us.....just look at the Preds series last year.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:30 PM

I don't agree with splitting sedin line unless they are not producing like anything. 1st priority is to keep the sedin line together.

As for booth I like to see him more passing the puck to his teammates. Fact that kesler is struggling this year is due to not finding correct partners. Last year Raymond was on his horse so that helped him and no doubt higgins is best part in helping kesler.

This year there has been ups and down of kesler. Plus, AV is putting kesler on point on the powerplay instead of front of the net. I truly believe that kesler is better around the net than on the point.


FIrst prioirity is to win. I don't care if they put Danny on D or in net if it means they win. For the past couple months and for most of last year's playoffs, the Sedins were inneffective. Sticking with that because of some cosmic belief that they can only play together could be a recipe for disaster. Every other player has been shifted around (except Kesler) and they have all been able to contribute in different roles and on different lines. THe only 3 forwards who have consistently struggled this year are the Sedins and Kesler...the same guys who until recently, had their spots guaranteed.

I say move them around. Try Kes on the wing with Hank. Try Dan on the 2nd with Kes and Booth. We can always stick the Sedins back together at any time.

This team needs to start generating offence. Our D zone coverage this year has been worse than last year adn relying on Cory and Lu to steal every game will see an early exit no matter how great they play.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

Did MAG ever play forward?.......hmmmmmmm

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:42 PM

Best option is to clone Higgins.

Sedins Burrows
Booth Kesler Higgins
Higgins Pahllson Hansen
Weise Lapierre Kassian

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Keslerific, on 25 May 2014 - 4:47 PM, said:

Gaunce is wayy cooler though, Gaunce is the kind of guy you want to bring with you to Costco

 

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

The second line needs a playmaker. Someone like, gee I dunno, Cody Hodgson?AV should put Ebbett in place of either Booth or Raymond until Daniel gets back. When Daniel is healthy, this is how I'd start the lines...Burrows / Henrik / LapierreBooth / Kesler / DanielHiggins / Pahlsson / HansenRaymond / Malhotra / Ebbett, Weiss or BitzI said here after the Finals last season that one of the things AV will need to in the coming season is split up the twins for short periods of time. It would make the Sedins more versatile and the entire team harder to defend against.Another line he needs to start using 5 on 5 is the Sedins with Kesler. He hasn't used that line 5 on 5 ever, and it's baffling. Imagine if the Avs never loaded Forsberg and Sakic up on the same line, or if the Wings never put Datsyuk and Zetterberg out together?But whether or not AV gets his head together, if they don't find a way to get their PP going, they could be in for a very short playoff run.Here's a tip, boys:SHOOT THE GODDAM PUCK!


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 02:33 PM

He actually can be a very good passer. I don't know if you have noticed but he makes those nice, short, quick passes that open up the ice. Exactly a guy that should be put with RK17 in the playoffs.
Booth-Hank-Burr
Danny-Kes-Kassian
Very good top-6 offensively and also a lot of grit.


I don't mind this at all.

Danny has great puck control skills and is a great set-up guy as well as natural goal scorer. Kesler needs someone to make some room for him (Kassian) because he doesn't have the moves to beat many guys one-on-one. Right now Raymond, Kesler and Booth are all trying to gain the zone solo and beat the defenders. WE've seen how well that's working. None of these guys are a Malken or Crosby so they need to use eachother.

Early in the season AV was right (though it was not well received) when he said Kesler needs to use his linemates more. He has lots of talent and speed but is a very selfish player. No use trying to make him what he's not. Put a playmaker on his line and set him up for the shot.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 02:47 PM

I don't mind this at all.

Danny has great puck control skills and is a great set-up guy as well as natural goal scorer. Kesler needs someone to make some room for him (Kassian) because he doesn't have the moves to beat many guys one-on-one. Right now Raymond, Kesler and Booth are all trying to gain the zone solo and beat the defenders. WE've seen how well that's working. None of these guys are a Malken or Crosby so they need to use eachother.

Early in the season AV was right (though it was not well received) when he said Kesler needs to use his linemates more. He has lots of talent and speed but is a very selfish player. No use trying to make him what he's not. Put a playmaker on his line and set him up for the shot.


The Problem with putting Daniel on the Wing to be the playmaker is silly
Daniel is a Scoreras well as a passer
But the Playmaking is a Centers responsibility
He has 2 people on either side of Him to pass off too, to set up plays with,2 give n go with
If You are Using Daniel, the Winger as Your playmaker to set up Kesler How predictable is that to defend against? Very easy !
Now You have a 2 person forward line with the other winger left in effective?

Kesler as a winger when entering the NHL, was criticized that he didnt have the foresight for plays
He was a checker
He needs to distribute the puck better and utilize his wingers better,like Every great centre now and ever to have played the game
OR
go back to being a winger and being a very good one,with a good playmaking Centre who will decide who has a best chance with the puck and get them it

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:21 PM

my thoughts on the current depth chart and lineup...

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Hansen
Lapierre - Pahlsson - Booth
Ebbett - Malhotra - Kassian
Raymond
Bitz
Weise

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Ballard - Salo
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