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#31 Canuck Surfer

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:30 PM

I liked Daniel Sedin's response early this year when asked about opinions of the team, as impacted by antics like diving and the like;

"I think we have to be better, play the right way" and talk will start to go away. Then, paraphrased, we're not too worried about it though... Look, its a bit of a non issue.

Not that Daniel Sedin was going to go toe to toe with Marchand, but he stood and took the punches to draw a penalty; not even scrumming it up to protect himself. Last year you did have the occasional dive, then Torres providing nasty (perhaps questionable) goulish & punishing hits followed by turtling in hopes of a power play.

This year, a major difference, is that as the season has progressed, the Canucks improvement has mirrored their standing together during the play and after the whistle. The start of question marks midway through the season was when they lost to, concidentally (?) L.A>, who bullied, pushed around and abused the Canucks into ineffectiveness. It probably was the start of the end for Hodgson, as MG I am sure noticed he still had to equalize the physical battles (which his pre-season efforts had not accomplished yet).

The next stage, was the (long awaited) arrival of Byron Bitz. He scored 3 points in 2 games with the Twins & laid a beating on Avalanche tough guy Cody Macleod. Then we started to try and incorporate rock solid (play wise) Sammy Pahlsson for Hodgson, Kassian, and tried call ups for Duco. We became harder to play against, but had a post trade deadline lapse as we struggled with the new identity.

But the real turning point, the definitive moment in the season was when AV started to move Burrows around. Higgins deserves credit too, as our most competitive player all year. Over the course of 5 games, Burrows was pulled from the struggling Twins line and rotated between the 2knd & 3rd line, even double shifting him on the 4th. In the middle of our loosing streak, and scoring droughts, there was Burrows; personally offering 2 shots back for every shot taken after the whistle. And he galvanized the team, bringing his team-mates with him. Was it Colorado, or Chicago, where Burrows went back and him, Hamhuis & Booth (?) all ignored an odd man rush and pounded on an opposing player for a cheap shot? Burrows personally went to every line, then back to the first, and showed EVERYONE by example how to compete & stand up for each other.

Even Daniel sent Kieth a message with a cheap shot of his own. I have not seen a Canuck dive, or not answer the challenge after the whistle since. Did everyone take note of good christian David Booth laying a beating on (Jones?) in Colorado??? Not everyone has dropped the goves, but nobody is turtling for calls. And shortly after this lesson in competitiveness we have gone back on our winning streak! Thank You Alex Burrows; my team leader award of the year nominee for his effort / effect!

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PS. Not that he is not tough; the last guy we need to buy in & take this lesson to a new level is Kesler! He was a Burrows style abrasive guy when he broke into the league. He still imparts more "dirty" shots than any guy on the Canucks (save Lappy?). But he's still not taking challenges; I cant recall how many times I have seen him turn down fights this year! And he is yapping & looking at the ref's after the plays. Dont get me wrong, he does not take crap after the whistle. But It is like he wants the ref's to give him the PP goals he scored last year back?

Funny enough, its him & his line that are the lone group struggling going into the play off's. The ultimate success of the Canucks this finals year, I believe, rests with Kesler. He needs to find that Feist he had in Nashville last year, and which allowed him to have a higher plus / minus & goals than Bergeron, Seguin & Marchand (best line in hockey this year) who have all outplayed him this year. I'd like to see him take a lesson from Jerome Iginla, and take on his the guy who is assigned to dog him without fear. What a message it would send to the team! Kesler, is he the last guy to bring his play off face, is our Stanley Cup key!





VANCOUVER—How is it that the Canadian team with the best chance at the Stanley Cup is one of the most hated teams in hockey? Shouldn’t we love these guys?
Mention the Vancouver Canucks in Vancouver and the love overflows. Mention the same team anywhere else in the league and the venom is palpable.
Non-Canucks fans point to the team’s reputation for whining — GM Mike Gillis was fined during last season’s playoffs for complaining about the officiating — the diving abilities of the Sedin twins, the hair-pulling and finger-biting tactics of forward Alex Burrows.

“They are the most arrogant team I played against and the most hated team I’ve ever played against,” former Boston Bruins forward Mark Recchi told an American radio station last year.
Why exactly are the Canucks so despised? For a second year in a row, the team captured the President’s Trophy as the NHL’s top team and odds are the Canucks will have another extended run in the playoffs with their second chance in as many years of ending up in the finals. The Canucks will begin that quest Wednesday night in their playoff opener against the Los Angeles Kings.
Cambridge, Ont., resident Jim Chaplin says one reason the Canucks are so despised is because they have an inflated opinion of themselves
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“This is not a team that goes out and plays tough and backs up their talk. They hide behind officials and they don’t play an honourable, tough brand of hockey,” says Chaplin, who lived in Vancouver in his early 20s and is a lifelong Chicago Blackhawks fan. “Hockey fans love a good work ethic, players who hit and backcheck. Fans like fighters, not chirpers.”
Chaplin thinks the Canucks’ reputation for being a dirty team reaches back years, starting with the 2004 Todd Bertuzzi hit on Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche.
Kelly Kirch, program director for Sportsnet 960 The Fan in Calgary, says whenever the Canucks are raised as a topic on radio call-in shows, the response from callers is disdain
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“What people don’t like the most about the team, I think, are the Canuck fans. The Canucks fans lose all sense of judgment; they think everyone else is against them and they aren’t graceful when they lose,” says Kirch. “There is an arrogance with the Canucks and while people can respect that they’re a very good team, no one likes them very much.”
That’s why Kirch believes so many fans of other teams like seeing the Canucks lose.
Canucks fan Sean Zandberg, one of the writers for the Canucks blog Nucks Misconduct, cites simple jealousy as the reason his team is so hated.

“The Canucks have been so successful that everything they do is scrutinized,” he says. “No one hates a loser but they really hate the prom king.”

Dont Know if its been posted, I havent posted on here in awhile but anyway I LOL'd pretty hard.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:36 PM

Remember how much we HATED the Avalanche all those years they pounded us into the dirt?

Remember how GOOD they were?

There is a connection there, methinks ;)


Let's not forget the Oilers. In their heyday they were a lot more despised than the Canucks have ever been. It would be great to see the fanbase move past this, quit being so damned defensive and simply show some class. That would go a lot further than the whine that seems to flow so freely.

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"We tried to get more picks, but we just couldn’t do it."

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"It's a third round pick, but it's a very high third."

Trevor Linden

 

"You know, you can say a third round pick but in any third round there’s 30 picks in the third round and we got the sixth pick in the third round."

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

Hitchcock said it best - if the Canucks want to be liked, they simply have to start losing.


The leafs always lose, but everyone still hates them.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:05 PM

The leafs always lose, but everyone still hates them.


That's not fair.

They are a unique case.

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You only don't know what direction this team is going because you simply don't want to understand it or hear it.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:10 PM

Really suprised you guys don't see why people "despise the Canucks"

Here's a start.

Canucks fan Sean Zandberg, one of the writers for the Canucks blog Nucks Misconduct, cites simple jealousy as the reason his team is so hated.

“The Canucks have been so successful that everything they do is scrutinized,” he says. “No one hates a loser but they really hate the prom king.”

So successful? Like after 40 years of Hockey finally finishing first in the regular season?

Presidents trophys??? Is that all? Cause from all the chirpin i'd swear you won a cup or 10!

Probably not on this board but for the most part fans in Vancouver are only fans beacuse it's cool. Just like skinny jeans and dub step. A couple more years without a cup a desperate Gm the team will find itself in the EXACT same postion as Edmonton, Calgary, and Ottawa. So close yet soooo far.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:41 PM

Jealousy, envy, inferiority complex sums up the hate we get around the leauge.

Prepare for the bias propaganda again this playoffs, Bob Mackenzie is already hinting we could be upsetted by LA..


Well Bob Mackenzie knows his stuff but really I think Bob should keep his mouth shut...he could just as well be the best analyst that will go thru his career not winning nothing...how do you spell loser L O S E R... annalist will keep on haten.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:41 PM

Christ Letang and Dustin Brown dive way more than anyone on our team. Our team has really cleaned it up this season. I don't really give a damn about diving because every team has dived/embellished at some time or another. What I do hate is teams that go out and try to injure other teams' players. cough*Bruins*cough

Just because someone's head goes flying back sometimes, it doesn't mean they're trying to fake it all of the time. Sometimes when something comes near your head/face, the natural reaction is to jerk your head away. Some people are naturally more jumpy/dramatic when they do it and some do it on purpose. It just pisses me off when you see some players/fans always complaining when a player is just avoiding danger.


Someone swings in a stick in your face, what is your first reaction? Mine normally is to avoid the stick by getting my head out of the way.
It also is annoying when a player gets knocked down easily, fans say they dived. Sometimes you just get knocked down easier than others. The Sedins often get knocked down, but get right back up. That's not diving.
Diving is faking an injury. And when have the Sedin's ever faked an injury.

I was in a conversation with an 'enemy' fan, and they told me to look up on youtube all the Sedin dives. Not ONE of their examples were clear dives, just them going down easier than normal.
Now I pointed out search Tim Thomas dives. Just as many, if not more results.

The hate is pure stupid jealousy.

And to say our team can't back it up is silly, we are one of the hardest hitting teams in the league, and we're are not easy to intimidate like some believe.

But my reaction to the article is "Meh. What do they know? They are probably a Toronto fan. And that is a team that won't win for many years to come, if ever.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:52 PM

Really suprised you guys don't see why people "despise the Canucks"

Here's a start.

Canucks fan Sean Zandberg, one of the writers for the Canucks blog Nucks Misconduct, cites simple jealousy as the reason his team is so hated.

“The Canucks have been so successful that everything they do is scrutinized,” he says. “No one hates a loser but they really hate the prom king.”

So successful? Like after 40 years of Hockey finally finishing first in the regular season?

Presidents trophys??? Is that all? Cause from all the chirpin i'd swear you won a cup or 10!

Probably not on this board but for the most part fans in Vancouver are only fans beacuse it's cool. Just like skinny jeans and dub step. A couple more years without a cup a desperate Gm the team will find itself in the EXACT same postion as Edmonton, Calgary, and Ottawa. So close yet soooo far.


Um, hi troll. I know I'm not supposed to engage with you, but I will.
Vancouvers failings of the past do not represent the success of the present. Sure we were terrible for many years, almost ALL of the fanbase knows that. Why do you think we are so excited? Because are team has finally reached an elite level of play.
So a lot of our excitement may come off as arrogance to someone who wouldn't know better, but it really mostly is us being over excited.
And chirping? All fanbases chirp, it's part of sports. We'll brag about our regular season success, and us getting to the finals. A Chicago or Boston fan will say show me your teams rings. And a Tampa fan will say well we have Steven Stamkos. This is not exclusive to the Canuck fanbase.
And if we are biased towards liking our team, so what? You are certainly biased towards your team, and that's okay. (We'll still hold it against you though B) )

And to say that a large portion of our fanbase is fairweather fans, well that is only as true as any other teams fanbase. Take away Chicago or San Joses success, and their fanbases would start to shrink to. Success inflates fanbases. Sure if our team ever stooped to the level of Edmonton or Toronto, many fans would turn their back on our team. But the same thing happens to any team who starts to lose. (Except for Toronto. But their fans are strange. And they also have a larger city, so a larger core fanbase than smaller cities)

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:55 PM

I have lived in Ottawa for a little over 2 years now, and every time I bring up the Canucks in conversation, with friends, acquaintances, or strangers, I actually get a positive response. Most people here at least respect how good the team is, if not state that they cheer for them as long as they're not playing the Sens.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:59 PM

Where the **** does this idea that the Sedins are divers come from? Seriously, I've seen clear dives once or twice in their career but they're made out to be the biggest divers in the league. It's these types of articles that try to put stuff into other fans' heads.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:07 PM

Hard to switch gears when you have been hating your home team all year and the season is over you just switch to hating the next team closest to home throughout the playoffs.

Your Canadians right? Where is the love?

When I watched the Calgary games as the season dwindled down I was hoping for them to pull it out in the back of my mind. Same for the Jets, and the Leafs.

For hockey lovers it is pain and sadness brought on by their home teams losing. These pains can be dreadful at times. Unfortunately, humans can't control themselves and react by hating.

If you take hockey out of the equation a lot of people hate it when other people are happy, because they themselves aren't happy and they look really bad for being hateful~viscious circle. Don't be surprised there is a lot of hate in our world.

Another funny thing is that we have a hockey culture in Vancouver that is pretty much PG based on hard work and perseverance. It is Blasphemy for people who believe hockey should be a bunch of goons on the ice bumping each others heads of for sport--one more reason to hate the canucks.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

Aaron Ward said two things this year that stand out

1. You hate teams that are great

2. The Bruins, especially after the January Nucks game, are more hated then Vancouver.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:12 PM

So, now that we have Samme Pahlsson, Byron Bitz, Zack Kassian, Dale Weise and the absurd question about team toughness has been more or less addressed, out come the other popular refrain that we're just divers & whiners?

Shocking!

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:15 PM

As for the false narrative that Canada didn't want the Canucks to win last year

[http://www.ctvbc.ctv...ishColumbiaHome

Survey results released Wednesday by Angus Reid Public Opinion show that seven out of 10 Canadians say they're rooting for the Canucks in the Stanley Cup Final.

Fellow pollster Ipsos Reid came up with similar results, finding that just over 60 per cent of Canadians are hoping that the Canucks will be the first Canadian team since 1993 to win the Stanley Cup.

Those findings are a smack in the face for opinion writers who have claimed the Canucks aren't Canada's team in newspaper editorials across the country in recent weeks.

Even fans of other Canadian teams are hopping on the Canucks bandwagon, Angus Reid found.

That poll showed that over 70 per cent of Calgary Flames, Montreal Canadiens and Edmonton Oilers fans are supporting the Canucks, as well as 83 per cent of Toronto Maple Leafs fans and a whopping 93 per cent of Ottawa Senators fans.
Nearly three-quarters of people across the country say the team is "very likely" or "moderately likely" to defeat the Boston Bruins and take home the coveted Stanley Cup.

A region-by-region breakdown by Ipsos Reid shows that support for the home team outside of B.C. is highest in the prairies at 66 per cent and lowest in Quebec at 51 per cent.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:24 PM

As for the false narrative that Canada didn't want the Canucks to win last year

[http://www.ctvbc.ctv...ishColumbiaHome


Now why did you have to go start spewing facts in the face of unsubstantiated reporting?! :mad: :angry:

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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:54 PM

As for the false narrative that Canada didn't want the Canucks to win last year

[http://www.ctvbc.ctv...ishColumbiaHome


The two most populated provinces hate the Bruins more than they hate the Canucks, so naturally we'd get some pity fans.


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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:59 PM

With CBC's funding cut by a whopping 10% and HNIC coming under fire at the GM's meeting, look for them to set a different tone these play offs and try to suck up to the Canadian teams and fan bases. Once HNIC begins raving about how different this Canucks team is this year and how they are tough and hard working and no longer relying on the power play, the opinion of the average Canadian viewer will change too.

Last year, Canucks were trying to win by being smarter than their opponents. Turns out, when it comes to hockey, fans (and HNIC) prefer the equivalent of a plumber to a rocket scientist. Remember how Don Cherry despises Detroit? It's contagious.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:03 PM

As for the false narrative that Canada didn't want the Canucks to win last year

[http://www.ctvbc.ctv...ishColumbiaHome


Nice one. I hadn't seen this before. The Alberta results surprise me. But then I am in Alberta too. So I'm part of the 70%.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:11 PM

Bottom line is who really give a flying Ca-funkle WHAT some a-hole thinks? .. love the Canucks thru thick and thin, or bugger off .. simple really ..

"To Thine Own Self Be True"

 

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:35 PM

Aaron Ward said two things this year that stand out

1. You hate teams that are great

2. The Bruins, especially after the January Nucks game, are more hated then Vancouver.


Ken Hitchcock following a Vancouver defeat in O.T earlier this year.

"you want to be liked, start losing."

I personally love the hate we are getting. Another example is Sidney Crosby. They hate him so much because he is so good. He like the Sedins, are known as "Divers and Whiners." Ironically the players that are hated the most, are one of the top players in the world. I love this hate. Keep it up.

 

Well, I , I feel very good about this draft, but I, I think, potentially you know were gonna have 3 or 4 NHL players out of this group, ummmm, you know like we are not going to prejudice to were they are from.

 

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

Chicago fans in mourning? lol they just won the cup 2 years ago.. :lol:


They obviously aren't going to win a cup any time soon thus the denial and inferiority complex.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:38 PM

VANCOUVER—How is it that the Canadian team with the best chance at the Stanley Cup is one of the most hated teams in hockey? Shouldn’t we love these guys?
Mention the Vancouver Canucks in Vancouver and the love overflows. Mention the same team anywhere else in the league and the venom is palpable.
Non-Canucks fans point to the team’s reputation for whining — GM Mike Gillis was fined during last season’s playoffs for complaining about the officiating — the diving abilities of the Sedin twins, the hair-pulling and finger-biting tactics of forward Alex Burrows.

“They are the most arrogant team I played against and the most hated team I’ve ever played against,” former Boston Bruins forward Mark Recchi told an American radio station last year.
Why exactly are the Canucks so despised? For a second year in a row, the team captured the President’s Trophy as the NHL’s top team and odds are the Canucks will have another extended run in the playoffs with their second chance in as many years of ending up in the finals. The Canucks will begin that quest Wednesday night in their playoff opener against the Los Angeles Kings.
Cambridge, Ont., resident Jim Chaplin says one reason the Canucks are so despised is because they have an inflated opinion of themselves
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“This is not a team that goes out and plays tough and backs up their talk. They hide behind officials and they don’t play an honourable, tough brand of hockey,” says Chaplin, who lived in Vancouver in his early 20s and is a lifelong Chicago Blackhawks fan. “Hockey fans love a good work ethic, players who hit and backcheck. Fans like fighters, not chirpers.”
Chaplin thinks the Canucks’ reputation for being a dirty team reaches back years, starting with the 2004 Todd Bertuzzi hit on Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche.
Kelly Kirch, program director for Sportsnet 960 The Fan in Calgary, says whenever the Canucks are raised as a topic on radio call-in shows, the response from callers is disdain
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“What people don’t like the most about the team, I think, are the Canuck fans. The Canucks fans lose all sense of judgment; they think everyone else is against them and they aren’t graceful when they lose,” says Kirch. “There is an arrogance with the Canucks and while people can respect that they’re a very good team, no one likes them very much.”
That’s why Kirch believes so many fans of other teams like seeing the Canucks lose.
Canucks fan Sean Zandberg, one of the writers for the Canucks blog Nucks Misconduct, cites simple jealousy as the reason his team is so hated.

“The Canucks have been so successful that everything they do is scrutinized,” he says. “No one hates a loser but they really hate the prom king.”

Dont Know if its been posted, I havent posted on here in awhile but anyway I LOL'd pretty hard.


WE are just too good like the Pens. People hate top teams. The first half of the season, Boston was the most hated because they were dominant. The last half of the season, the Pens are the most hated ever since the return of Crosby and Malkin to greatness and probably the reason we quietly won the PT. Now that we have won the PT, going into the playoffs, we will probably be the most hated along with the Pens. Just how sports work. I think alot of people hate Manchester United or the New York Yankees. We are just too good baby, and people always hate the top dogs and have love for the underdogs.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 10:40 PM

Ken Hitchcock following a Vancouver defeat in O.T earlier this year.

"you want to be liked, start losing."

I personally love the hate we are getting. Another example is Sidney Crosby. They hate him so much because he is so good. He like the Sedins, are known as "Divers and Whiners." Ironically the players that are hated the most, are one of the top players in the world. I love this hate. Keep it up.


A lot of people hate Cristiano Ronaldo too, because he is a diver, arrogant and whines lol! Embrace the hate and hopefully they hate us more when we win the cup.

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