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Poll: Who Do You Start In Game 4? (246 member(s) have cast votes)

Who do you start in game 4?

  1. Voted Lu (99 votes [40.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.24%

  2. Voted Schneids (147 votes [59.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.76%

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#151 Phil_314

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:07 PM

Jordan Schroeder, Rodin, Jensen. Might as well pull out all the guns and win or go out swinging :frantic:

Also put Hansen - Hank - Booth with Hamhuis - Bieksa for the majority of the game. Sooner or later their efforts SHOULD pay off.

Higgins - Kes - Burr

Ebbett - Pahlsson - Lapierre

Ballard - Tanev (Ballard can still attack and Tanev is decent)
Edler - Salo
(reduced minutes-- Edler`s not going to help anyways and Salo`s not as good as he used to be)

give the other forwards the night off, they won`t be playing anyways.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:12 PM

It's no brainer for me. You can't just start LUongo because he's the number 1 guy. The number guy in the first 2 games has given up crucial goals at crucial moments of the game. On top of that, he's allowed 17 goals on his last 4 playoff starts. Number 1 guy? Now compare his game to Schneider's game, Schneider didn't win it for us, but it was the lowest possible score. A 1-0 game. So it's no brainer, for me team comes first. I'm not a stupid Canuck fan to favor one player over another because I like that player more. NO no no. I will chose the goalie that will give the team the best chance at winning and that's Luongo.

Again, Luongo's last 4 playoff starts, 17 goals allowed, do you want me to pull up the save percentage? That be quite in insulting.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:15 PM

Is always about how things affet Lou. Could the players be sick of hearing how it was Lou who got the team to the finals even though he was middle of the pack stat wise and was brutal in more than 1 game.
How can it be the numbers ALWAYS are better for Cory?
Corys season numbers were much better,,playoffs he in #1 in GAA and 3 in save%,,,
Lou is 16th out of 18 in both GAA and save %.
If people over and over say the team plays better for Cory you can be sure there is a reason why.
Over 2 seasons is enough of a sample to know for whatever reason the TEAM plays better, and I feel Cory plays better than Lou.


You feel he plays better, that's your argument? You do realize that your opinion means little, if not nothing. Your entire argument is purely speculation. You've even gone as far to portray Luongo as egotistical. When has he ever made the claim that it was his own performance that brought the team to the SCF? Goaltending isn't all about numbers, something that you've failed to comprehend.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:18 PM

Big Lu fan here, but I said Schneids.

Hasn't mattered so far. Won't matter in game 4. Either goalie will give us a great chance to win. Again.


If you are a fan then why Cory?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:28 PM

Make one of the forwards play goal and see if Lu and Schneids can score a goal.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:06 PM

You feel he plays better, that's your argument? You do realize that your opinion means little, if not nothing. Your entire argument is purely speculation. You've even gone as far to portray Luongo as egotistical. When has he ever made the claim that it was his own performance that brought the team to the SCF? Goaltending isn't all about numbers, something that you've failed to comprehend.


Luongo has stated he wears #1 because thats what he is.
He has held 3 organizations hostage at contract time.
You fail to realise they keep numbers for a reason, and comparing one player to others can be hard, but when they play for the same team with the same players and the numbers are so drastically different a full season at some point the numbers matter.

Cory allowed 60 goals in 1833 minutes and allowed 60 goals on 945 shots
Lou allowed 127 goals in 3162 minutes and allowed 127 goals on 1577 shots.
You say its because Cory has played less games why his numbers are better. In order for Cory to have the same numbers as Lou this year Cory would have to had played 1329 more minutes or just over 22 games. In order for the numbers to be the same Cory would have to allow 67 goals in 22 games. You really think Corys GAA would be more than a goal a game higher over 22 them games than his 1.96 season average.
In order for the save % for Cory and Lous to be the same Cory would have to allow 67 goals on 632 shots or .894 save% which would be .063 lower than his season average of .937.
One goalie got significantly better this year while the other was significantly worse. Even you should be able to figure that out.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:27 AM

Luongo has stated he wears #1 because thats what he is.
He has held 3 organizations hostage at contract time.

You fail to realise they keep numbers for a reason, and comparing one player to others can be hard, but when they play for the same team with the same players and the numbers are so drastically different a full season at some point the numbers matter.


Again, another false accusation and an unwarranted attack on Luongo. You must really hate the man. With that said, it's hard to take anything you have to say seriously. There is no point in arguing with you because your too self-conceited.

Another user here has already crunched the numbers.

here i'll do some math for you

Luongo's stats over those 115 games, 2.25 GAA and .924 save %

Schneider's stats over 58, 2.08GAA and .933 save %

those are excellent numbers for both goalies, and if Schneider had played 57 more games i'm sure his numbers would rise a little bit and be almost identical to Luongo's.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:18 AM

Again, another false accusation and an unwarranted attack on Luongo. You must really hate the man. With that said, it's hard to take anything you have to say seriously. There is no point in arguing with you because your too self-conceited.

Another user here has already crunched the numbers.


Twice he had contract trouble with Florida
" Set to become a free agent for the second consecutive off-season, he could not come to an agreement with the Panthers, having formally turned down a five-year, $30 million contract offer in January 2006.[52] It was also reported that among Luongo's demands were that backup goaltender Jamie McLennan be re-signed, his long-time goaltending coach François Allaire be hired[53] and that a public statement be released that he would not be traded until the no-trade clause of his contract took effect.[54]



With Islanders,
"Although the Islanders planned to have Luongo play in the NHL for the 1998–99 season, an inconsistent performance at training camp led to Luongo's return to the QMJHL that season.[12] Due to having failed to come to terms on a contract before October 1, 1998, Luongo was not allowed to be called up to the Islanders from junior over the course of the subsequent season".

With us the Luongo contract negotiations went on much longer than they thought and put us in a bind and led to a 64 million dollar albatross because if Canucks didn;t meet HIS deadline he wasn't going to sign until the end of the 2009-2010 season and would have been a UFA a couple months after the season.
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Luongo had originally set a deadline of Sept. 13 to complete the deal, after which time he did not want the mid-season distraction of negotiating a new contract. The 30-year old Canucks captain is entering the final year of a four-year, $27 million contract. He will make $7.5-million for the 2009-10 season, and now forgoes a chance to explore the free agency market next summer.

Edited by Get real canuck fans, 17 April 2012 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:29 AM

You start your young gun.

May as well, either goalie will not make that much a difference. Both have made enough saves to win games, but if he can be perceived to steal one or two games under this kind of pressure his trade value goes up (should he be the one dealt)

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:44 AM

If a goaltenders stats don;t matter then what does? Cuz hes got a nice mask...his sisters cute....or play him on a hunch? Lou has always played because he had great numbers....got signed to long term contract because he had great numbers...so...now..his numbers are not as good...especially gis GAA of 2.41...so now you play the guy whose numbers are better...because...the numbers say he is playing better.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:45 AM

Heres another angle....hockey is a business...the Canucks want another home game because , not only is it about pride, but its over a million dollars in revenue...the farther they go in the playoffs, the more the owners make...its huge money !


It's closer to 10 million per game than 1 million per game.Tickets, TV, Concessions, Parking etc.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:49 AM

no speculation...no opinion....just crunching the numbers...because its the way you measure performance. NHL goaltending awards are given out based on a goaltenders numbers !! Lou will not win one this year because he did not perform as well as the winner !! He played enough games...just not consistant enough..ie October

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:52 AM

Probably right hotdawg , I was just trying to bring out the business angle of winning 4th game as a monetary motivation.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:04 AM

Twice he had contract trouble with Florida
" Set to become a free agent for the second consecutive off-season, he could not come to an agreement with the Panthers, having formally turned down a five-year, $30 million contract offer in January 2006.[52] It was also reported that among Luongo's demands were that backup goaltender Jamie McLennan be re-signed, his long-time goaltending coach François Allaire be hired[53] and that a public statement be released that he would not be traded until the no-trade clause of his contract took effect.[54]



With Islanders,
"Although the Islanders planned to have Luongo play in the NHL for the 1998–99 season, an inconsistent performance at training camp led to Luongo's return to the QMJHL that season.[12] Due to having failed to come to terms on a contract before October 1, 1998, Luongo was not allowed to be called up to the Islanders from junior over the course of the subsequent season".

With us the Luongo contract negotiations went on much longer than they thought and put us in a bind and led to a 64 million dollar albatross because if Canucks didn;t meet HIS deadline he wasn't going to sign until the end of the 2009-2010 season and would have been a UFA a couple months after the season.
From TSN
Luongo had originally set a deadline of Sept. 13 to complete the deal, after which time he did not want the mid-season distraction of negotiating a new contract. The 30-year old Canucks captain is entering the final year of a four-year, $27 million contract. He will make $7.5-million for the 2009-10 season, and now forgoes a chance to explore the free agency market next summer.


Wow, Luongos really one character guy! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:08 AM

If we start Luongo, we are saying he is number 1 and we just started Cory to try and jump start the team. If we start Cory, we are saying he is now our guy and Luongo could be gone which would be fine with me.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:11 AM

one of the arguments for starting Lu is that he should go down with the ship. It's his to go down with... but that decision assumes LOSING. Therefor select Cory as that was the stronger overall game by the team.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:11 AM

Its going to be schneider, he had a great game and made some big saves, on bad bounce went in.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:12 AM

one of the arguments for starting Lu is that he should go down with the ship. It's his to go down with... but that decision assumes LOSING. Therefor select Cory as that was the stronger overall game by the team.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:33 AM

Not sure why so many people care who is in goal when both goalies are perfectly capable. A thread like this is just a total waste of time IMO.. 6 pages of banter about pointlessness.

Its obvious goaltending is not the problem yet people still have some idea that the team plays better in front of one goalie or another. Honestly, whatever.. the problem is with defence and scoring and in some ways coaching. We've all watched, we've all seen it, and we all know it. Goaltending has been the one thing that's been our saving grace this series if there was one.

Put John Garret in goal for us for all I care.. so for unless our goaltenders would have kept it to under a goal, we'd still be barely winning and closer to losing anyway. And Shnieder did just that, kept it at only a goal and we still lost.

How bout we stop focusing on our goalies and focus on the real issue with this team hm?

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:44 AM

I say start Schneids ,whatever luongo did last yr was THEN this is the HERE and NOW :) :rolleyes: B)

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