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#1 gradin123

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:16 PM

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Gillis getting the executive of the year last season was the biggest joke I have ever seen.

Lets recap Gillis's major contributions so far.

Good

-Trading for Ehrhoff.
-Signing of Hamhuis.
-Trading for Higgins and Lapierre
-Re-Signing of Burrows at a discount.
-Signing of Tanev

Negative

-Re-Signing of Luongo to longterm contract after his first playoff meltdown against Chicago
-Trading Of Michael Grabner (and hence commitment to Mason Raymond) and a first round Pick(Howden) for Ballard and his bad contract
-Trading for David Booth and his bad contract
-Trading Cody Hodgson/Sulzer for Zack Kassian/Grags.
-Signing of Marco Sturm
-Not attempting to re-sign Willie Mitchell who you almost certainly would have re-signed here at a discount if the Canucks showed any interest in him.
-not one of his draft picks is playing in the NHL besides Cody Hodgson.
-signing of Mats Sundin
-trading a 2nd round pick for Steve Bernier
-trading a 3rd round pick for Andrew Alberts

Now Just the Facts

Lets see the part of this years Final Team Gillis inherited

Forwards.

D,Sedin, H.Sedin, R.Kesler,A.Burrows, M.Raymond,J.Hansen.

Dmen

Bieksa, Edler,Salo

Goalies

Luongo and Schneider

We have our top 6 regular season scorers on this list (Sedins,Kesler,Burrows,Edler and Bieksa) as well as our two very good goalies.

These players accounted for 148 of our 249 Goals this season and 7 of our 8 Playoff Goals.



Lets see the part of this years team Gillis actually created

Forwards

Booth,Pahlsson,Lapierre,Higgins,Malholtra,Weise,Kassian,Ebbett,Volpatti and Bitz

Dmen

Gragnani,Rome,Alberts,Ballard,Hamhuis and Tanev.

Goalies

None

These players combined for a total of 1 Goal in the playoffs and 76 of our 249 Goals in the Regular Season.

Edited by gradin123, 23 April 2012 - 01:43 AM.

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#2 Flying Man

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:17 PM

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Anyone else hate it when people spell Lapierre as LaPierre? Just grinds my gears...
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

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Thank you, Captain Hindsight.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:19 PM

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Grabner as much as I liked him would be invisible in the playoffs. He's softer than butter that's been sitting in the sun.

MItchell wasn't signed because he had concussion issues.

Can't argue with much else you posted. Good points. Good post.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:19 PM

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I was off the gillis train back at the deadline.
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:20 PM

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-Grabner has not been nearly as good this year.
-Booth, while he has been streaky, is still better than Sturm and Samuelsson.
-signing Sturm was a bad move, but we got Booth out of it (see above).
-3rd round pick for Alberts isn't necessarily bad
-you forgot to mention the trade for Pahlsson
-Mats Sundin was hugely overpaid, but did actually help our team. We probably wouldn't have done anything else with the money anyways.

He has also signed many key players to discounted contracts. I don't blame Gillis at all for this situation. He built a good team. It's players and coaching staff who didn't do their jobs.

Edited by etsen3, 15 April 2012 - 11:22 PM.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:20 PM

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He created a team that took us to the SCF, what else?
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:21 PM

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-Re-Signing of Luongo to longterm contract after his first playoff meltdown against Chicago
-Trading Cody Hodgson/Sulzer for Zack Kassian/Grags
-Not attempting to re-sign Willie Mitchell who you almost certainly would have re-signed here at a discount if the Canucks should any interest in him.
-not one of his draft picks is playing in the NHL besides Cody Hodgson.
-signing of Mats Sundin




Those are your "negatives" that I disagree with.



- Luongo has shown time and time again that he's a winner
- I think it's pretty obvious Hodgson asked for a trade, and Hodgson was NOT our franchise.
- It's actually quite embarrassing to think Mitchell was once our #1 d-man. Kinda like how Edler is our #1 d-man now.
- That's more of our scouts fault than Gillis'.
- Sundin is what turned Burrows, Kesler, and the Sedins into the regular season champs that they are
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:22 PM

Gillis getting the executive of the year last season was the biggest joke I have ever seen.

Lets recap Gillis's major contributuons so far.

Good

-Trading for Ehrhoff.
-Signing of Hamhuis.
-Trading for Higgins and LaPierre
-Re-Signing of Burrows at a discount.
-Signing of Tanev

Negative

-Re-Signing of Luongo to longterm contract after his first playoff meltdown against Chicago
-Trading Of Michael Grabner (and hence commitment to Mason Raymond) and a first round Pick(Howden) for a Ballard and his bad contract
-Trading for David Booth and his bad contract
-Trading Cody Hodgson/Sulzer for Zack Kassian/Grags.
-Signing of Marco Sturm
-Not attempting to re-sign Willie Mitchell who you almost certainly would have re-signed here at a discount if the Canucks should any interest in him.
-not one of his draft picks is playing in the NHL besides Cody Hodgson.
-signing of Mats Sundin
-trading a 2nd round pick for Steve Bernier
-trading a 3rd round pick for Andrew Alberts


Forgot another negative: Pavel Demitra. (RIP).
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:22 PM

Why does the signing of Marco Sturm matter? he was gone before he hit the golf course.

And would you really re-sign Mitchell after having a severe concussion to at least 2 years ( since MG tried to sign him for 1 year) with the risk that one more hit to the head could be the end for him?

"-not one of his draft picks is playing in the NHL besides Cody Hodgson."

How does this measure the amount of success/failure Gillis is as a GM? was he around for 10 years?

This is one of the most biassed OP I have ever seen.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:22 PM

I am no longer a Gillis supporter and want him run out of town. Get the **** out of here.

Can't wait to see his ass get canned.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:26 PM

-Grabner has not been nearly as good this year.
-Booth, while he has been streaky, is still better than Sturm and Samuelsson.
-signing Sturm was a bad move, but we got Booth out of it (see above).
-3rd round pick for Alberts isn't necessarily bad
-you forgot to mention the trade for Pahlsson
-Mats Sundin was hugely overpaid, but did actually help our team. We probably wouldn't have done anything else with the money anyways.

He has also signed many key players to discounted contracts. I don't blame Gillis at all for this situation. He built a good team. It's players and coaching staff who didn't do their jobs.


Samuelsson actually has more points than kesler and booth combined so far in the playoffs.

He was good for us. Experienced and played with some fire.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:28 PM

Previous GMs created a team that took us to the SCF, what else?


fixed.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:29 PM

Creating a power house team, a team so good everyone hates.... 1 win away from a Stanley cup in his 3rd season, back to back Presidents trophy,
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:29 PM

Grabner was so fun to watch too. Think of what they could have got for Grabs had they waited until he scored 30 and then traded him.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:30 PM

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Not signing Raffi Torres!
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:31 PM

if that's the biggest joke you have ever seen you haven't seen much...
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:31 PM

Gillis getting the executive of the year last season was the biggest joke I have ever seen.

Lets recap Gillis's major contributuons so far.

Good

-Trading for Ehrhoff.
-Signing of Hamhuis.
-Trading for Higgins and LaPierre
-Re-Signing of Burrows at a discount.
-Signing of Tanev

Negative

-Re-Signing of Luongo to longterm contract after his first playoff meltdown against Chicago
-Trading Of Michael Grabner (and hence commitment to Mason Raymond) and a first round Pick(Howden) for a Ballard and his bad contract
-Trading for David Booth and his bad contract
-Trading Cody Hodgson/Sulzer for Zack Kassian/Grags.
-Signing of Marco Sturm
-Not attempting to re-sign Willie Mitchell who you almost certainly would have re-signed here at a discount if the Canucks should any interest in him.
-not one of his draft picks is playing in the NHL besides Cody Hodgson.
-signing of Mats Sundin
-trading a 2nd round pick for Steve Bernier
-trading a 3rd round pick for Andrew Alberts


There was nothing wrong with the Sundin deal unless you're one of those people that set expectations way too high. Yes, he offered him two years @ 20 million but there was no way Mats was going to accept that and Gillis knew it.

How do you say 'no' to Raymond and 'yes' to Grabner after Raymond had a 53 point, 25 goal campaign. These guys basically cancel one another out at this point because they have the exact same game and there's no clear evidence of who is better.

Alberts is a solid pick up; not sure what people were expecting. Plus, it's a late 3rd rounder, basically a 4th at that point.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:32 PM

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Amazing how some of you people have such short memories. This team is underachieving. It has been like that the latter part of the season. The scoring has gone down and our goalies have stepped up in most nights. We didn't change the core. It's the same one as last year. What did you expect after last year SCF? A major overhaul? Give me a break. The one thing that needs a change is the personnel behind the bench. AV has not adapted this team to physical teams such as Boston and LA. Even against Chicago, they struggled a couple years before.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:32 PM

I stopped reading once you said trading for Booth was bad.
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Shanahan went soft on Keith.


Keith is a pretty ugly dude after all....


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:34 PM

Amazing how some of you people have such short memories. This team is underachieving. It has been like that the latter part of the season. The scoring has gone down and our goalies have stepped up in most nights. We didn't change the core. It's the same one as last year. What did you expect after last year SCF? A major overhaul? Give me a break. The one thing that needs a change is the personnel behind the bench. AV has not adapted this team to physical teams such as Boston and LA. Even against Chicago, they struggled a couple years before.


Vancouver was/is more physical than Boston based on individual hits throughout the regular season this year and last. Vancouver also outhit Boston back in January; they beat them at 'their own game'. It's a common misperception.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:34 PM

-you forgot to mention the trade for Pahlsson
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Honestly, I don't think that was a positive. Not bad enough to call it a negative but hardly a positive. What has he really done for team? I thought he had a pretty bad game tonight actually.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:35 PM

Telling you to shut up, just wouldn't be enough.

Your hockey knowledge, pardon me, lack of hockey knowledge, is showing OP.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:35 PM

Pierre McGuire for GM!
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:35 PM

Creating a power house team, a team so good everyone hates.... 1 win away from a Stanley cup in his 3rd season, back to back Presidents trophy,


With the majority of the core players left over from previous regimes.

Edited by gradin123, 15 April 2012 - 11:36 PM.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:38 PM

Face the facts.. Mike Gillis has not ADDED ONE CORE piece to the team, he has simply rested on the foundation that was built by Burke and Nonis (Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Lu, Schneider, Edler etc.)
So far in his tenure he has done a good job in adding complementary players... But guys who make big money and were thought to be apart of the core, Ballard and Booth both seem terrible because of the contracts and limited production.

However, Gillis should NOT be fired... Lets not rush to judgement as now we will see what Gillis is made of as big changes are needed

Edited by Charlie.Sheen, 15 April 2012 - 11:39 PM.

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#27 gradin123

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:38 PM

I stopped reading once you said trading for Booth was bad.


If he made $2.0 million per maybe not. But he makes $4.5 million per for the next three years. He simply isn't playing up to the level of that contract and that is why Florida dumped him.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:39 PM

...he's weeded out twerps like you.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:39 PM

fixed.


He got us 2 President's Trophies, what else?
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:40 PM

With the majority of the core players left over from previous regimes.


With that mentality, the best GM would be DAVE NONIS.

See a problem there, buddy?
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