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#31 Cindilette

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:43 AM

Oh man.. I hope that isn't the case.. Waiting for 17yrs+ sucks.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:48 AM

Why are you acting like our season is over?

As far as I know our team is still qualifying for the Stanley Cup.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:55 AM

So we were 1 win away from a Stanley Cup and we need to end this era and start a rebuild? I know the canucks are playing like garbage at the moment, but they need roster tweaks more than an overhaul.

I think they are just exhausted from the last year. You may point to Boston or other teams that have fared well the year after getting to the final, but the Canucks road to the final was absolutely gruelling. Take into account the all-start game and the Sedins (Henrik at least) haven't rested in a long time. This team will be competitive next year, there is not doubt in my mind, but we do need some important new pieces. Keep the core together. It's the best team we have possibly ever had.



lol.... you should say they are exhausted from 1994 cup run.....



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

you know for people whose use "we were one win away from the cup" im going to then use "we were one OT loss away from the most embarrassing playoff loss in history!"

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:33 AM

Edler has proven that he doesnt have the ability to elevate his game to the next level and if we keep him, the best he will ever be is another Ohlund that plays with less physicality.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:48 AM

Dont think their opportunity is necessarily over if they lose the round - but would be MUCH tougher down the road. Some of the older players may leave so would have some money to possibly get a free agent or two and we will have to see what happens with Schneider / Luongo and any of the assets we may get back for them. We should also see if Schroeder, Kassian, Jensen and Sauve are the real deals and crack the lineup. Either way they should have 1/3 of the team changed just to keep the 'hunger' and committment and stop 'looking' back at how close they came. I think that was problem with Calgary and is reason that Feester will most likely change that team quite abit now. Lets hope this is all talk and they manage to steal game 4 and go from there one game at a time. No bounces this year, so guess they used them all up last year.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:50 AM

We all remember the Naslund, Bertuzzi, Linden era which was filled with years of false hopes and disappointment. I feel we are witnessing the end of an era for guys like Luongo, Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa. Game 7 last year was our chance and we got screwed by the refs, a freak injury to Hamhuis in Game 1 and numerous other injuries to our core. I honestly feel that our so called "window" is closed and it may be another situation like 1994 - 2010 till we get a chance to win the Cup again. Gillis has said that the Canucks will be a team that is built to win and be competitive for many years....while this may true and provided that we keep the above core together, we will continue to win games in the regular season and make the playoffs year after year. For the last decade, we have been built to be a finesse and speed team but the underlying problem is that we have equipped this Canucks team with finesse players top to bottom that can skate but lack any grit and toughness!!

However making the playoffs and having a team competitive enough to win the Cup are 2 different things. After watching the first 3 games of this LA series, it is evident that the Kings are following the exact blueprint that Boston used in the Finals against this same team. Boston beat us with a very hot goalie and an impenetrable defence made up of size grit, physicality and mobility. Quick is playing better than Tim Thomas and the Kings D is completely manhandling our forwards, preventing anybody from getting to the net and killing our predictable cycle game by winning every loose puck battle along the boards. Trust me, even if we made it past LA, we would have been exposed by a team like Philly or the Rangers. Our core (i.e. Kesler, Burrows, Sedins, Higgins, Booth, etc, etc) lack the size, grit and heart to overcome fierce defences like LA, Boston or Philly.

Looking at our D, Hamhuis is great. Bieksa is adequate but lacks the size to match up with power forwards and lacks the skill of a D-man that can anchor the PP or jump up in the play. Edler has proven that he doesnt have the ability to elevate his game to the next level and if we keep him, the best he will ever be is another Ohlund that plays with less physicality. Salo is done and has 1 year left possibly. Ballard is a bust and Tanev will be nothing more than a top 3-4 D man.

Now we just can't go out and trade everyone or enter a rebuilding mode because it would sacrifice our ability to generate revenues via ridiculous ticket sales. More likely than not, we will be seeing 90% of all these players for the next 4-5 years with some minor tweeks to 3rd or 4th line which has become a Gillis specialty since he became GM.

Folks, as depressing as it sounds...we will be stuck in futility and 1st or 2nd round exits for the next 3-5 years unless we make major changes to our personnel. Last year, everything aligned perfectly; we knocked off a Blackhawks team that beat us 2 times prior (if you can't beat a team with double playoff revenge, you have no pride at all); we faced a Preds team that had depth issues and were happy to be in the 2nd round after winning a playoff series for the 1st time in franchise history; then we beat a Sharks team that are NHL chokers, nuff said!

It can take 5-10 years to build a Cup contending team, don't let Gillis' comments fool all of you. We are farther than you think and I would rather start the rebuilding NOW, maybe miss the playoffs for 1-2 years to solidify strong draft picks, than be stuck in another 10 years of mediocrity.


While I think you are talking rubbish, I realise you are entitled to your opinion.

The core of this team has proved over and over again that when they are all fit, they need fear no one.

I also think your assessment of our players is WELL OFF THE MARK.

By that I mean what perfect team are you comparing them to? The Pens who have been undressed every night, the NYR who are resorting to pure violence and who were unable to beat us when they had the chance. Detroit who are finding it very tough going against the Preds, or the Hawks who are not having their way with the Coyotes

I think you are hurting, that's ok I feel your pain to but there is a strong overreaction to your post AND your opinion of our players.

None of this would have been written if we had managed to play Daniel and had got a fraction of the chances we made past Quick.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:59 AM

The window is still open for at least one more year, MG just has to do a better job of complementing them.

The Sedins are still point-a-game players.
Kesler is still a 50-point player.
Hamhuis is still a great shutdown defenceman.
Edler is fresh off a 49-point season and could either hit 55 next season or have a serious slump.
Luongo is still a 30-win goaltender.
Bieksa is coming off one of his best seasons.

The Canucks' core is still great, we just need better peripheral players. Malhotra has been the worst Canuck all season long and while he has a NTC, we have to get him to play better or send him to the minors.

Pahlsson and Hansen showed they're great checking forwards but with very little offensive touch, so they have to play better or they'll be our new 4th line.

Kassian has been an absolute waste of great talent in Hodgson, but if he can have a good training camp and score at a 15-goal, 40-point pace I'll be happy. Otherwise send him to the minors or trade him for all I care.

Booth has been scoring at a 20-goal pace and has been inconsistent, but if he can reach the 30-goal mark next season without injuries he'll be a success.

Salo really struggled later in the season at both ends of the ice, it looks like his age is finally getting to him so either let him retire or demote him to 14 minutes a game (special teams) on the bottom pairing.

Ballard has been great, but nowhere near worth his money and this team needs more big, physical shutdown defencemen instead of quick puck movers who don't actually score points.


Most Canucks fans will point to this fact and most Canucks fans have blinders on!!! This team is flat out built to win for the regular season cause we are made up of finesse and speed girls (Sedins, Raymond, Kes, Burr) who are allowed to do circles around the net while doing their fancy cross ice passes. Well guess what, even if Daniel was in the lineup, we would still be in this same position because Doughty and Scuderi would ABSOLUTELY OWN our top line. Playoffs are a different beast and the Sedin approach to the game is completely eliminated in the playoffs when D-men battle for everything along the boards with physicality - and the Sedins and most of the Canucks forwards do not have the frames to counteract this physical play!!!

My point is that a total rebuild WILL NOT HAPPEN cause ticket sales are paramount to this team and it would be sending the wrong message to the fans. The problem started a long time ago by drafting swedish talent and having swedish influence throughout our team..this will not get it done against teams that are stacked with big, physical shutdown D-man.

Until Gillis realizes that our elite players should be comprised of Giroux or Hartnell-like players instead of the Sedin girls, we will always be a top 3 seed in our conference, until teams like Minnesota, Calgary, Edmonton, Colorado finish their rebuild process....then we will start to fall further. Due to NTC, we are stuck with this core I get it....which is why I am saying it will take a very long till we reach the Cup finals again. Playoffs are not based on season point totals, however blind Canuck fans, AV and Gillis will keep on believing and hoping that because we are Presidents Trophy for 2 straight years...that we are close to reaching our goal. Mark my words, WE WILL NOT REACH A CUP FINAL FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER 3 SEASONS and the primary reason is that I think half of our blueline needs to be re-tooled. Assuming we keep, Hamhuis, Bieksa and Edler.....We need to find replacements for Salo, Ballard, Tanev (Alberts or Rome) - all this takes time.

Lets look at how long it took for the Kings to build a powerful defence that very well could take them to the Finals this season behind Quick. Pairing #1: Drew Doughty (drafted in 2008), Rob Scuderi (acquired through free agency in 2009). Pairing #2: Willie Mitchell (acquired through free agency from Canucks in 2010), Slava Voynov (drafted in 2008). Pairing #3: Matt Greene (acquired from free agency from Edm in 2008), Alec Martinez (drafted in 2007). When we faced the Kings 2 seasons ago, they had Doughty, Scuderi and Greene on their backend and Kopitar, Williams and Brown on their forward lines. So since that series, they have overhauled half of their blueline and 3/4 of their forward group. It essentially took a really crap season for the Kings for them to draft Doughty 2nd overall so for them it was about 4-5 years to get their desired blueline. Remember this, Mat Greene is their alternate Captain and he is an absolute stud that took the Oilers to the Cup finals and he is playing on their 3rd pairing whereas the Canucks 3rd pair is an overpaid loser in Ballard with hardly any playoff experience and Tanev who is a second year rookie. For the Canucks, we will need to undergo a similar transformation if we want to get back to the Cup finals. However because of the long term contracts we have signed and Cap issues, Gillis is screwed and we are literally forced into minor changes to 3rd and 4th line only while leaving our top 2 lines the same.

I hope you all enjoy regular season success and watching our so called core rack up points during the season when there is no intensity in comparison to the playoffs....We have a LOT of work to do and Gillis' job has only just begun. It starts by firing AV and getting playoff ready assets in return for Schneider or for Luongo to waive his NTC so we can get rid of him. Its scary that this Kings team resembles that year when the Ducks won the Stanley Cup after beating us in the 1st round. Ducks had a great D with a great goalie in Giguere playing for a great coach in Carlyle (at the time). Defence wins championships and I feel the Kings have the best D in the Western Conference up and down their pairings, not to mention the best goalie in the game.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:01 AM

So we were 1 win away from a Stanley Cup and we need to end this era and start a rebuild? I know the canucks are playing like garbage at the moment, but they need roster tweaks more than an overhaul.

I think they are just exhausted from the last year. You may point to Boston or other teams that have fared well the year after getting to the final, but the Canucks road to the final was absolutely gruelling. Take into account the all-start game and the Sedins (Henrik at least) haven't rested in a long time. This team will be competitive next year, there is not doubt in my mind, but we do need some important new pieces. Keep the core together. It's the best team we have possibly ever had.


The core is not good enough, i'm sorry to break it to you. Do you honestly think, the Sedins and Kesler can carry our offense to a Cup? Hell, they didn't even do that last year. It was mostly our role players who got our GWG anyways, wasn't it Higgins who got the most on our roster?

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