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Assessing Mg's Trades At The End Of The Season


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Signing of sturm

-yes it was a mistake but he got rid of him so it is like nothing ever happened.

Let Ehrhoff walk to sign Bieksa

-It is obvious we could have only kept one of these 2 defenceman. So you may have a preference of Ehrhoff over Bieksa, but that is just a matter of opinion. Others could easily argue bieksa's toughness, his production this year, and him being rather clutch in the playoffs. Maybe not these playoffs but it wouldn't be fair to judge him since the team as a whole is underachieving. Not to mention that he is a big leader on this team while Ehrhoff was more of an asset. Also, look at bieksa's vs ehrhoff's contract. Ehrhoff's contract is way longer while Bieksa's is a lot more reasonable. So letting Ehrhoff go is rather an invalid criticism since on of the defenseman had to go and there is no proof Ehrhoff is better than Bieksa. They are both good D-men and everyone will have their own opinion on who is better.

Sturm for Reinprect

-this is where you start looking biased. We didn't want Sturm. You said so yourself there was no point in signing him. Now you are arguing he at least had a couple points in Florida. Just be glad we got rip of him. Pretend nothing happened. And yes Reinprecht didn't play but he would have if we had injuries. Plus obviously there was cap to deal with and the main player we were trying to get was Booth. So again, it is not like we wanted sturm anywhere in our line up so how again was this a bad move? Because Reinprecht didn't play? Pssh next

Sameulsson for Booth

-We got a young hard hitting player entering his prime for an older injury prone forward who is in the final say 5 years of his career and you are complaining?? Yes Sameulsson may have had chemistry with the twins and Kesler but you can't expect Booth to start playing well right away in his first season on a totally different team with different linemates. I much prefer Booth to Sameulsson. He hits hard, creates chances (that he doesn't always finish but hopefully that will pick up next season), and is reliable to be healthy. As for saying Samuelsson was our playoff star, he did nothing for us in last playoffs. He played 11 games and got 1 goal. Then he got injured again. Booth IMO has been one of the positives out of our offence this post season. He has played played well and i guess you can call him one of the playoff performers on our team in this series. This was 100% a win for the canucks. If you don't think so you are either trolling or traumatized from is most likely being kicked out of the first round this year.

Pahlsson

-good

Kassian for Hodgson

- You simply can't judge this trade. If we made this trade in the beginning of the season before Kassian played his first season and before Hodgson transitioned into and NHL player, I guarentee a very small minority would have a problem with this trade. So my point is that you just can't judge a rookie in the beginning of his career. He obviously has potential. He has been able to put up points in lower leagues and he has displayed his speed and hands for a big guy. He hasn't been consistent but what do you expect, this was his first season. Look at Hodgson's first season. So yes, maybe this trade wasn't good for us in these playoffs but to say this was the worst trade in our franchise history is ridiculous. You will know in a year or 2 if the trade was good or not. It could be the worst trade in history but as of now, you can't say Jack squat. Can't say anything about Gillis on this trade just yet.

Sulzer for Gragnani

- I hope you are joking. You must have thought the Grabner trade was a catastrophe after he went on a scoring rampage too but abandoned that thought when he came back to earth. Don't worry Sulzer will come back to earth too. There are no signs that Sulzer will become a top 4 D-man in the NHL or that he will be able to keep a roster spot in the nhl. It was just another brief streak of confidence and lucky bounces, I hardly doubt it will grow into something more. While Gragnani has potential to become a threatening offensive D-man in the NHL however obviously he needs to still develop on his defensive game and learning to make better pinches. So claiming this was a better trade off for buffalo because sulzer has put up 8 pts is ridiculous. See how many points he puts up next year and come back talk to me.

MG built a contender and even though we most likely will be getting kicked out first round, we still have a good team. For whatever reason, Canucks have struggled at the end of the season and that carried on into the post season. Maybe the team simply lacked motivation at the end of the season and then underestimated LA while they came prepared. Who knows. The sky isn't falling. I am confident in our GM. Hopefully we can get a large return for Schneider next year and build on what is already a great team. As for the fans however, maybe if we missed a couple postseasons and ended at the bottom of the league for a couple seasons, you guys would learn to appreciate what MG has done for this team

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Don't forget Torres, who is a huge factor in the Coyotes right now. If we still had Erhoff, Torres, Samuelsson, and Hodgson (in addition to Phalsson)..... instead of Booth, Malhotra, Kassian, and Weise......

Our team would be absolutely unstoppable. Probably would have bulldozed over the Kings by now.

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Man why is everyone so negative? Ya they lost, but they put up 48 shots in Game 2 and 41 shots in Game 3. It's not a lack of effort, but rather the Canucks not being able to get the bounces to beat Quick.

Last night, it could have gone either way, in fact probably should have gone our way, but it came down to 1 mistake that cost us.

It's frustrating, but stop fueling the stereotype that is a "Canucks Fan", honestly.. No wonder we get such a bad rep.

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I completely disagree with you.

Kassian was brought in and touted to be a kind of presence that can be a game changer. He wasn't brought in to be a project.

If he was brought in to be a project then shame on MG. We are competing for the stanley cup, not re-building and we don't need any more projects. we need proven players at this time of the year.

Sorry i agree with the OP

I'm okay with Strum for Reinprecht because he's doing well for the wolves.

I can't say anything bad about booth for Samuelsson because its bad in hindsight but when the trade was made i thought we completely ripped off florida.

Sulzer for Gragniani was a throw-in in my opinion when the trade was made so i can't criticize that either.

All i am gonna say is that Hodgson is the type of player that learns quickly (look at how well he adapted to AHL after coming in from juniors and led the team to the finals. Then last year he spent just a little bit of time and this year he changed his game up and became almost a 40 point player. I am almost certain that with Daniel gone, he could have been a good supplement to scoring.

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MG should have re-signed Torres. I thought Torres played really well last year to warrant a contract extension. He was a pit-bull. Would have looked great on the 3rd or 4th line.

I didn't care about Glass cuz Weise was doing a good job replacing him.

Didn't like the Sturm signing but it translated to getting Booth. So that was OK.

I was happy with the Booth trade since we got younger while off-loading older veterans scheduled to become UFA. Unfortunately Booth has no chemistry with Kesler. But he did have some with Hodgson at the beginning when Kesler was still out. Really wished they did a Booth-Hodgson-Kesler line but that never happened.

Didn't really think Ehrhoff was worth what he wanted. So didn't care that he left.

Thought Sulzer was a good pickup as a depth defensiveman.

I was happy with Pahlsson trade. Gave up picks to get a quality veteran with great faceoff % and pk abilities. Really to bolster our pk and defensive draws.

I was really unhappy to see Hodgson traded for basically prospects. Hodgson was proving himself to be a legit centre. He needed to get better at faceoffs though. We traded away our 4th leading scorer. As some would say, he only got it cuz he had sheltered minutes. So what?!? He was STILL SCORING!!! And we can clearly see the Nucks can't even buy a goal.

I said it before...Nucks didn't lose the Stanley Cup last year because they weren't tough enough. They lost because they couldn't score. 8 goals in 7 games of Stanley Cup finals didn't cut it last year. And 4 goals in 3 games of LA series isn't going to cut it this year.

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Traded Samuelsson for Booth is this one that sticks out in my mind the most. Booth is just a taller version of Mayray. ugh.

Hodgson for Kassian is still an unknown at this point. I think the kid looks good, little more experience and he'll have 2nd line winger written all over him. But as of right now, yeah., he's bust.

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So now that the season's almost over I thought it'd be a good idea to dissect each one of MG's trades and how they panned out. I'm sure he had an idea and it's easy to look at with hindsight, but interesting nonetheless. Last season his acquisitions were perfectly suited to what this team needed in regards to Hamhuis, Ballard, Higgins and Lapierre and we went on to a very successful cup run.

However, after losing to the Bruins, MG decided to bulk up our forwards and lose depth on defence, leading to these trades:

Signing Marco Sturm - No points for the Canucks, was invisible in 6 games played.

Let Ehrhoff walk, sign Bieksa instead - Bieksa scores more points than Ehrhoff but our powerplay really struggles. It's not about the individual, its about the team and this team needed Ehrhoff more than Bieksa. Anyone would form a shutdown pair with Hamhuis, but not many can replace Ehrhoff on the powerplay point and the Sedins' point totals took a hit as well.

Traded Sturm for Reinprecht - Reinprecht hasn't even played a Canuck game so far so this is already a loss, as Sturm has at least scored some points for Florida.

Traded Samuelsson for Booth - Made sense at the time to trade for more youth and a bigger, physical body, but look at what happened. We lost a key veteran and leadership guy on our team and our best playoff performer. We lost probably our best powerplay specialist and someone with chemistry with the twins AND Kesler, all 3 of whom struggled offensively without him.

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A couple of things:I don't agree with your take that we traded Sturm for Reinprecht. The actual trade was Sturm and Samuelsson for Booth. Reinprecht was a throw in that we had to take, because Florida wanted to dump salary.

We absolutely had to let Ehrhoff "walk". 4 million looks like a decent Cap hit right now, but in a few years it's going to look brutal.

I agree that the Coho for Kassian trade was a mistake. Cody may have wanted out, but I believe this deal could easily have been made in the summer. I think Gillis was hoping ZK would step up and contribute far more than he currently is.

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Hated the Kassian - CoHo trade from the begining, and hate it even more now. I hope this spells the end of AV even though it won't. Its obvious other teams have figured out his system and he has zero ability to adapt. As well as getting all personal about CoHo wanting more icetime. Imagine a player playing well wanting more ice time, the nerve of it all.

ZK is beyond useless out there and I feel at this point he is a waste of a roster spot. Maybe 3 or 4 years from now he will develop into something but I feel that a Penner type player will be his upper ceiling.

MG shat the bed this season with this trade. If he had traded CoHo for Nash or Doan, or Brown or some established power forward rental I would have hated it but at least understood that he was trying to win now, but when I heard ZK was traded for him I really thought it was a joke.

I do believe the Canucks can get back in this series but, I really feel they wouldn't have had to if CoHo-ZK trade was never done.

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I won't argue that this trade was bad for this year as we definitely could have used his secondary scoring. Also, I do believe Kassian was brought in as a project. I know we are trying to win a cup but you also have to think of the future of the team. I remember when Ohlund's contract was ending and I was arguing with a buddy that they should trade him at the deadline while he was all against it because "we are trying to win a cup". I don't remember if we were kicked out first or second round that year, anyways, we could have invested into the future but we lost ohlund for nothing. So I do think that this was a more of an investment into the future of the team rather than a push for the cup this season. Hodgson had no business playing on the 3rd center line and we got back a prospect that has potential to become a top 6. How often can you get your hands on a prospect like that. If Kassian developed like Hodgson, there is no way this trade would have gone down.

Now as for the timing of the trade and why they didn't make this trade after this post season. IMO the reason they wanted to do this trade before the trade deadline was to give Kassian a jump start on his development on a a good team and introduce him to playoff hockey. If this trade happened during the offseason, Kassian would most likely have been as unproductive in the 12/13 season as he was this season. He was in the Buffalo dog house and that was definitely not doing his development any good. Maybe joining our team now is what he needed to have a good start next season. Having Hodgson for the Cup run must have done something for him in becoming the player he is now.

So I understand why some people may be angry that this trade didn't reward us immediately. However, ask yourself if you really think Hodgson would have got the canucks past LA. I have a hard time believing he would. Canucks got in some sort of funk in the end of the season and it carried on into the post season where LA had our number and played us perfectly.

This trade is high risk, high reward. It could become a complete bust or it could become a great trade for the canucks. All I ask is to wait before you judge this trade. Give it a season or 2 before you start calling it the worst trade in canucks history. I understand where you are coming from, I just don't think it is fair to judge just yet.

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