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#1 inkorea

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:40 AM

Easily the worst week in Hockey ever with all the cheap shots around the league. Rememember the human brain doesnt hear the word no so if you tell someone "dont do drugs" the brain hears "drugs". With all the new rules about head shots whats happening... more headshots than ever.

The hit on Brown last night was not clean and I cant believe anyone would say it was. It was targeting a player in a vulnerable position and trying to hurt him. Also he tried to follow through with his forearm.

The hit on Smith by Shaw was horrible.

Alfredsson was attacked by an elbow and Neal did two hits in one shift last night that targeted star players.

The Keith attack on Daniel was just brutal.

What do all this incidents have in common: they are intentional attacks on star players to put them out of the game so your team can get an advantage to win a hockey game or series.

Think about it players, coaches and teams have sunk so low that they are intentionally trying to hurt star players as a tactic to win. Isnt this similar to why year long suspensions were handed out in the NFL.

I think all these current incidents should be grouped into one hearing and a message sent that if you intentionallly try to injure the other teams players that you are going to sit out a very long time and lose a lot of your salary.

So what suspensions should be given out for intentional head shots and intent to injure by over hitting.

If Neal has a hearing for the Couturier hit Brown should also be at a hearing.

Shaw would not be allowed to play for a very long time if I was in charge of suspensions.

I feel bad for Asham as he was trying to protect his player after Schenn tried to injure someone with a hit and Asham ends up getting kicked out.

I like old school hockey with hitting and fights but there is a thin line between rough and dirty and the league has gone over and into the side of dirty play.

If the league doesnt want to police this then lets take away the instigator rule and the second fight rule and see how long this cheap shop artists last out there when they have to answer to cheap shots by a fair fight.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:51 AM

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:57 AM

lol you had to bump this because no one wanted to reply to this and tell you how far off you are.
Browns hit was CLEAN last night, like it or not it was 100% clean and a hard hit, you want to blame someone for it, blame our bench for not warning Hank, I felt someone was coming as soon as he did that little turn out away from the boards, he should've as well, he didn't pick up Brown though and neither did the rest of the Canucks. The hit was clean though. Far as the rest of the NHL goes, the faster the game gets played the more headshots your going to see, although some of the one's you've listed were definite targets of the head, and thats when you need to see 15-20 game suspensions, these puny 3-5 game suspensions deter no one.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:05 AM

1) The hit on Brown last night was not clean and I cant believe anyone would say it was. It was targeting a player in a vulnerable position and trying to hurt him. Also he tried to follow through with his forearm.

Henrik even said that wasn't a bad hit, he didn't think it was a dirty hit.

2) The hit on Smith by Shaw was horrible.

This hit crossed the line.....

3) Alfredsson was attacked by an elbow and Neal did two hits in one shift last night that targeted star players.

Haglin already got suspended for 3 games..... and obviously star players will get hit, you can't let them score, you have to hit them.

4) So what suspensions should be given out for intentional head shots and intent to injure by over hitting.

4-5 games....... (MAX) You can't just take them out longer than that, you can't take out hitting out of the game and you just have to play with your head up.

5) If Neal has a hearing for the Couturier hit Brown should also be at a hearing.

Brown's hit wasn't dirty, simple as that. Even Henrik said it himself.

6) Shaw would not be allowed to play for a very long time if I was in charge of suspensions.

4-5 games..... READ NUMBER 4

11) I feel bad for Asham as he was trying to protect his player after Schenn tried to injure someone with a hit and Asham ends up getting kicked out.

I agree with this 100%

12) If the league doesnt want to police this then lets take away the instigator rule and the second fight rule and see how long this cheap shop artists last out there when they have to answer to cheap shots by a fair fight.

No comment, let the league decide.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:52 AM

The hit was clean period.If you want to lay blame call out Lappierre who sat on the gate while his captain struggled to get in the bench.Lappierre twice killed the momentem with his selfish antics.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:53 AM

A tiny bit late and Henrik was unsuspecting so he couldnt`brace for it. Much worse than Rome`s hit. The NHL only throws out discipline when a player is lying on the ice after a hit. The Sedins get no respect from this league. It`s ridiculous.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

Can we suspend the OP from making any more posts?

The hit was clean, maybe a half second late at best. Take off your homer goggles and get your head out of your rectum. Maybe then you'll be able to see the hockey game that everyone else is watching.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:59 AM

Brown's hit on Sedin. The puck was gone, why was it an okay hit? I don't get it. So Henrik said it was a good hit, doesn't mean it was, because he likely was sick of everyone thinking the Canucks are soft.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

BRIAN BURKE..."Since when dose Sedin mean punch, slash, spear and now "HIT IN THE HEAD"...'CBS CARES'

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:09 AM

The only time a suspension has worked was Matt Cooke last year. If the NHL wants to get rid of head shots (which they obviously don't) then they have to hand out suspensions like this every time.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:12 AM

The hit was clean period.If you want to lay blame call out Lappierre who sat on the gate while his captain struggled to get in the bench.Lappierre twice killed the momentem with his selfish antics.


He is probably still choked that he is not scoring and setting up goals on the first line.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:12 AM

Brown's hit was perfectly clean. Good, solid hit.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:15 AM

Apparently others are wondering too, this is an article from Digital Journal:

After a season of handing out suspensions like a right-wing talk-radio host hands out opinions, NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan has lost his way when it matters the most. The result? A Stanley Cup playoffs with unchecked, and unnecessary, violence.
Violence, in particular of a headshot variety, has become, along with potential upsets, the primary story of the first round of these 2012 NHL Stanley Cup playoffs. Shanahan's reaction to the first of the postseason headshots was so weak that some players seem to have gotten it into their heads that lengthy punishments would not be the order of the day. And they're right.
Shea Weber: Miniscule fine, no message sent
Many NHL pundits, and fans, were surprised on the opening night of the playoffs of April 11 when Nashville Predator Shea Weber grabbed Detroit's Henrik Zetterberg's head and slammed it hard into the plexiglass, hard enough to crack the Red Wing star's helmet, and Shanahan responded weakly. His decision was to fine Weber 2500 dollars; given the Preds all-star made $7.5 million this season, to him it's the equivalent of a pack of hockey cards.
In his ruling Shanahan said he took into account that Zetterberg was well enough to play the next game, foolishly suggesting injury time is related to suspension time, which has never been the case before. By that yardstick Duncan Keith of the Chicago Blackhawks would still be out, given Daniel Sedin of the Vancouver Canucks hasn't returned since Keith intentionally slammed his elbow into his head in March.
The decision to let Weber off seems political as the league clearly wants Nashville to succeed to help solidify the fanbase. The other ruling that combines with the weak Weber fine to suggest the NHL has a love-affair with Nashville is allowing forward Alexander Radulov to play, even though he walked away from a valid NHL contract 4 years ago and played the regular season this year, and intends to play the regular season next year, in the KHL.
NHL 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs: headshots in vogue
Following his weak response we have had nasty play in most of the 8 series, with four headshots in particular standing out and one so vicious that Shanahan acted by handing Carl Hagelin a 3 game suspension for knocking Ottawa Senator captain Daniel Alfredsson out of game 2 of their series. In his customary video release of the hit Shanahan said "Hagelin finishes his check with his arm high, recklessly striking Alfredsson on the side of the head." Those words are underplay of the highest order, it was Hagelin targeting an opponent and ramming his elbow into his head.
After Canuck Aaron Rome got 4 games in the Stanley Cup final last season for an open-ice hit on Nathan Horton, no elbow, no head target, one would expect Hagelin to get more for a text-book offering of the kind of vicious hit they've been telling players since September won't be tolerated. The Rangers issued a statement saying they were confused by the ruling and given that Weber didn't get a single game, there's reason to be sympathetic with them, though hardly because Hagelin was suspended.
Brendan Shanahan reputation diminishes
There was a flurry of fights and headshots over the weekend, match-ups getting progressively nastier with each game. Brian Boyle and the New York Rangers attacked Eric Karlsson, an attempt to target a pivotal player; Arron Asham of the Penguins went ballistic on Flyer Brayden Schenn and will surely draw a lengthy suspension; James Neal of the Pens made two questionable hits and Dustin Brown targeted Henrik Sedin of the Canucks, hitting him at the bottom of the chin; that play could have been called interference - the puck was long gone - charging or intent to injure, but went uncalled. Naturally a fight ensued.
Fighting is a part of playoff hockey, emotions and tempo with hitting are mainstays, but recklessly endangering an opponents ability to fully partake in life, let alone hockey, should not be part of it. Shanahan seems confused or maybe some GM's are getting to him, others not. It's hard to pinpoint why Weber was let off or Keith given so little given his intent to injure, but it's not hard to pinpoint what it has lead to: a 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs that has turned into a gong show. The shackles are off and some players are chomping at the bit to play dirty hockey.
Former NHL disciplinarian Colin Campbell proved inept at the job, though it took years to get rid of him, but initially it seemed that Brendan Shanahan might be a capable replacement. That assessment, thanks to the first round of these playoffs, is now very much in doubt


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:22 AM

Keith DID get suspended..

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:30 AM

It was a beautiful hit. Hank had his head down and happened to turn his body towards Brown at the last second thus resulting in a clean shoulder to sternum check. Players don't have to have the puck on their stick to get hit. Anybody who actually has played the game knows this. You got a second to finish your check after a player has distributed the puck.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:35 AM

A tiny bit late and Henrik was unsuspecting so he couldnt`brace for it. Much worse than Rome`s hit. The NHL only throws out discipline when a player is lying on the ice after a hit. The Sedins get no respect from this league. It`s ridiculous.


Maybe if Henrik had his head up he would have seen the hit coming. He wasn't blindsided at all he was turned towards Brown but failed to brace himself for the check because he had his head down.




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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:36 AM

I cant belive the responses on this board after the violence and direct attacks on star players in the last week. Is the last poster one of the only people that gets how insane the game has become.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:47 AM

Well said OP, I couldn't agree more.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

Can we suspend the OP from making any more posts?

The hit was clean, maybe a half second late at best. Take off your homer goggles and get your head out of your rectum. Maybe then you'll be able to see the hockey game that everyone else is watching.


Half second late? Hit to the head? Sounds like Rome on Horton.Gee, what did Rome get for that again?Oh ya, suspended for rest of playoffs.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

I thought this hit had a similar nature to the hit on Horton last year, just saying. I could make the argument for that one being clean as well, but the facts are, unsuspecting player, predatory, contact to the chin, a second late, no puck, intent... Look how far Brown came from. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not saying it was dirty or illegal or clean, I'm just saying that there are some comparables and much like Rome on Horton, I'm not taking a strong stance either way because I can argue both sides.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:53 AM

Keith DID get suspended..

I think the guy he elbowed in the head is still not playing

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:55 AM

Ron McLean actually made sense for a change last night during one of the intermissions.

Shanahan needs to step-in and put stiffer penalties on head hits. Is it just me or are we seeing more head hits now? Or maybe we're just noticing them more? I don't know. Either way, this is ridiculous. The head hunting going on in several series' is unbelievable. I know there's the whole part about not wanting to take hitting out of hockey but...

Look at Dustin Brown's hit last night. I know some people will say it was dirty but in my opinion, it was within the rules of the game. As much as I didn't like the hit, I can't say it was outside the rules. In terms of the timing, there was some similarity with Rome's hit on Nathan Horton last year which I thought was clean as well. If any one of the Canucks' had laid that same hit on Brown, I know I would have been cheering.

I bring up Brown's hit also to show that hitting, and hitting hard, doesn't have to be taken out of the game. Players just need to show more respect for one another. None of this flying in with your elbows around your chin. And certainly no blatant elbows to the head a la Duncan Keith (which everyone on HNIC last night agreed should have resulted in a heavier suspension).

When you follow Brown as he glided in for the hit, he was watching the play the whole time to make sure that he arrived at just the right time. Unfortunately for Henrik, he had his head down and couldn't brace himself for the impact. Should our guys have jumped Brown? I don't think so - but it would have been good for them to have ramped up their physical game against the Kings.

In terms of the other hits, Shaw's is probably going to end in a suspension but in my opinion, Smith made it look worse than it probably was. Neal should be suspended for a few games which should hopefully have a slightly greater impact since he's an important player for the Pen's.

The league was talking all about getting these kinds of hits out of the game this season but it seems to me like it's getting worse. This is a great opportunity to take things seriously and really hammer on someone but I'm afraid that they're going to blow it. Again.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:43 PM

It was a beautiful hit. Hank had his head down and happened to turn his body towards Brown at the last second thus resulting in a clean shoulder to sternum check. Players don't have to have the puck on their stick to get hit. Anybody who actually has played the game knows this. You got a second to finish your check after a player has distributed the puck.

Canuck fans once again displaying their crybaby, homer, butthurt antics here on CDC.


Just wondering..do you have to wait until you finish a whole chicken and get all covered in the grease to slide out of your bedroom or does your mom come in and wash you with a cloth on a stick?
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1. I cheer for the Canucks, whatever happens.
2. I never say anything bad about the Canucks.
3. I know the difference between "real" fans and posers just by how they post on the CDC or where they sit at GM Place.
4. I wouldn't dream of leaving a game before it ended, even if it meant missing a train, ferry or a threesome with the wife and her hot best friend?
5. I make 10+ posts a day and I have over 10,000 posts on the CDC, so my Canuck "street-cred" is huge. Go away noob!
6. No one F's with me. I train in MMA. I'm really tough. I'll curb stomp yo' donkey.
7. I make a tonne of $$$$.
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9. If it meant missing a game, I wouldn't study for a midterm.
10. I roll with a guy who has a wicked car.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:44 PM

I actually think Brown's hit was clean but a bit late. With that said, I also thought Rome's hit last year was clean and was not as late as Brown's hit yesterday. Rome got suspended 4 games in the Finals of the Stanley Cup finals, the most severe suspension in playoff history. Brown will most likely get nothing. All I ask from this joke of an NHL is consistency.

When a player can take another players head and smash it into the glass and crack their helmet only to receive what is equivalent to the price of a McDonalds Happy meal to me, it's a joke. And then to hand a three game suspension the following day to someone who isn't a repeat offender and the injury wasn't severe when the reason for letting Keith off so lightly was because he wasn't a repeat offender even though the player he injured lost more time makes zero sense. The run on Miller in the beginning of the year was a joke. The list goes on and on. The result should not dictate the sentence. The actions should dictate the sentence.

I don't care who it is or what team it is, the NHL has obviously shown that the health of the players are not the primary concerns, the ability to make more money is the primary concern. Whether a Canuck goes out and runs someone or a Canuck gets run, I'm a fan of hockey first and foremost, not the Canucks and the level of inconsistency in punishment is disgusting.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:50 PM

Just wondering..do you have to wait until you finish a whole chicken and get all covered in the
grease to slide out of your bedroom or does your mom come in and wash you with a cloth on a stick?


It's okay muffin, the truth does hurts sometimes..



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:54 PM

Just wondering..do you have to wait until you finish a whole chicken and get all covered in the grease to slide out of your bedroom or does
your mom come in and wash you with a cloth on a stick?


Please, I would like it if you would enlighten me with what you would describe as a clean hit. If the hit on Sedin was dirty, then the league should eliminate open ice hits all together because there is cleary a major issue with what a clean bodycheck is nowadays.



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:54 PM

I actually think Brown's hit was clean but a bit late. With that said, I also thought Rome's hit last year was clean and was not as late as Brown's hit yesterday. Rome got suspended 4 games in the Finals of the Stanley Cup finals, the most severe suspension in playoff history. Brown will most likely get nothing. All I ask from this joke of an NHL is consistency.

When a player can take another players head and smash it into the glass and crack their helmet only to receive what is equivalent to the price of a McDonalds Happy meal to me, it's a joke. And then to hand a three game suspension the following day to someone who isn't a repeat offender and the injury wasn't severe when the reason for letting Keith off so lightly was because he wasn't a repeat offender even though the player he injured lost more time makes zero sense. The run on Miller in the beginning of the year was a joke. The list goes on and on. The result should not dictate the sentence. The actions should dictate the sentence.

I don't care who it is or what team it is, the NHL has obviously shown that the health of the players are not the primary concerns, the ability to make more money is the primary concern. Whether a Canuck goes out and runs someone or a Canuck gets run, I'm a fan of hockey first and foremost, not the Canucks and the level of inconsistency in punishment is disgusting.


the NHL deems any hit under .5 seconds after the puck has left the players stick to be legal. Rome's was .9, almos double the legal time limit......brown's was .3, well within the time limit for a legal hit.

People need to get over it

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:55 PM

I was wondering who was going to give Brown a right shellacking afterwards. I was surprised when nobody did. Great hit though, rang Hanks bell.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 04:22 PM

Half second late? Hit to the head? Sounds like Rome on Horton.Gee, what did Rome get for that again?Oh ya, suspended for rest of playoffs.

Wasn't a hit to the head until Hank dropped his head down and Brown hit him with all shoulder/body and not his elbow. Also the half second was being generous. The hit was clean, get over it.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 04:45 PM

It's about as dirty as Rome's hit last year. So yes, Brown should have been suspended. Of course he wasn't, though. He isn't a Canuck. Not to mention Henrik came back, while Nancy "Superstar" Horton didn't.

This league is a joke with its inconsistencies.
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