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The Real Issue Here: Lots Of Facts, Numbers, And Discussion From Last Nights Post-Game Show.


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#31 skyfall

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:24 AM

And somehow you've come around to my argument. I agree that the players need to put more effort into getting to rebounds and bearing own when they do.


I think the coach can help with positioning because a lot of the play is at the perimeter and the players driving the net seem to be tied up or in the wrong place. I think it's the coaches job to coordinate where and when players should be.

The fact that it takes so much effort just to hope for a dirty goal makes me think they should change tactics. They burned off way too much energy for inefficient plays like hitting out of position and fighting in front of the net for shots that aren't getting through. I don't think effort was the problem last game.

The thing that drives me nuts is that it seems like this style of play should have been anticipated at the beginning of the year and there should be a clear system and strategy on how to maximize efficiency if they choose to keep tight or maximize effectiveness if they want to be attack minded.

I noticed these patterns in past years too such a wasting energy against Chicago and nashville and being pushed to the perimeter against Boston.

I understand it's not easy but the current system makes it even harder

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:58 AM

To be fair JJ, the drop pass caused one goal. The other was either a bad pass back to the point once entry to the offensive zone was already made, or an unfortunate loss of balance by Hammer.

I understand people's frustration with the play, but is it really a bad tactic, or just a poor use of it by Eddie? Looking around the league, I see other teams employing it as well.

Anyway, if the result of one ill-conceived play by a defenseman that consensus has playing the worst three game stretch of his career, leads one to opine that coaching is the problem, then I don't know what to say but that I wholeheartedly disagree.


The drop pass that led to the goal is the glaring example, and I agree it was mostly Edler's fault. But the PP in general was very ineffective due in part to them not being able to enter the zone with possession. And it took them until the third period in game 2 to change the entry.

It is the responsibility of the coaches to have their team prepared to play. The team was not at all ready to play near their best when the playoffs began. I would like to see a coaching staff that is more effective at motivating the team when they are just going through the motions like they were for the final three months of the season into the playoffs.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:29 AM

The drop pass that led to the goal is the glaring example, and I agree it was mostly Edler's fault.  But the PP in general was very ineffective due in part to them not being able to enter the zone with possession.  And it took them until the third period in game 2 to change the entry.

It is the responsibility of the coaches to have their team prepared to play.  The team was not at all ready to play near their best when the playoffs began.  I would like to see a coaching staff that is more effective at motivating the team when they are just going through the motions like they were for the final three months of the season into the playoffs.


I've said it before: If you as a player need to be motivated to play for the Stanley Cup, then you're in the wrong league.I've been in the position of playing for a Provincial championship. (not the same as the Cup, but still a valid comparison) I can tell you that not a single player in that room needed an ounce of motivating before the final game. We all knew what was on the line and if anything, we needed calming down more than motivation.Multiply that 1000 fold and I think you start to approach what NHLers feel during the playoffs. I believe they're as "motivated" as is possible for a human being to be.Those who have never been in a similar situation might see it differently...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:39 AM

You sound about as fed up as I did on Friday night... but I have since calmed down and accepted what appears to be an inevitable early exit. Sorry the team lost last night, though. They pressed hard and showed some grit. But, their inability to score goals is inexcusable.

The frustrating points were the D's inability to keep the puck in the attacking zone, and every single shot at Quick was aimed at his legs, straight into his gloves, or right at his body. It doesn't matter if a thousand shots are fired at the guy. If they are scrambling low quality shots, he's going to make the stop every time.

On goal tending, both Lu and Schneider are looking good. In fact, this playoff debacle has highlighted where the real issues lie. All of the team are loose and sloppy on the puck, at times showing terrible puck handling skills for supposed top-flight professional hockey players. More often than not, when they cough-up the puck, it leaves our goal tenders facing unstoppable shots. And, when you consider how many unstoppable shots both goal tenders have kept out, it shows how GOOD that BOTH of them really are. They are a true credit to the Canucks organization.

The "D" needs to be overhauled. Salo is too old. Edler too unpredictable. Hamhuis too small. I'd keep Bieksa, because he is an animal, and will continue to ramp up his game.

On the forward lines, there's a lot of talent that is going nowhere. About the only guy who has consistently shown any grit is Higgins. The Sedins have also ramped up their grit, but are mis-cast in the lineup. They should be used as a #2 clutch scoring line, supporting a #1 line of big, heavy hitting natural goal scoring forwards. Time to ditch the big-name, smaller forwards, who have a hard time staying upright on their skates whenever Vancouver faces a tough physical opponent.

Coaching: Obviously time for a change.

Suffice it to say, to all intents and purposes, this team, as it is, is shot as a legitimate playoff contender. Better to recognize it now and start a wholesale rebuild for the future.

However, the reality of what will happen in the off-season will be quite different. AV will keep his job, and MG will make a couple of low key trades in an attempt to paper-up the cracks. Which is unfortunate, because right now the Canucks have a high-enough profile to attract some solid talent for the future.


You'd get rid of Hamhuis? If he had better offense he'd be a Norris winner. Seriously I watch him under a microscope and I am actually willing to say with confidence that he is the best defensive defenseman in the league. Wins 95% of puck battles, has saved about 60 2 on 1's this season alone, has a great poke check and is physical enough. Dude is a stud and I order center ice and watch a crapload of teams play. You're insane if you'd let him go. I'd pay 6 mill easy for him. No questions asked. Watch him closely, only every so often does he make a bad pass and his shot is weak but his defensive side is as good as Lidstrom in his prime.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:50 PM

Look at Pittsburgh- 2008 SCF loss, 2009 they come out and win it all. Awesome, awesome effort. Its been a YEAR.

A couple of teams have lost in the SCF and came back to win the Cup the following year. The Canucks performance thus far looks like they have not been getting the preparation and motivation to do the same.
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