Millerdraft Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 BENCHED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoobydooby Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 to be fair kesler burrows booth AND raymond have not done close to enough this series and kesler and raymond not enough in during the season. raymond is by no means a bad player, i just dont want him back next season.. people keep saying he has potential.. im done on potential.. i want some friggen production. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsCanuck Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Hope he's scratched for Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Hope he's scratched for Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meyer_Buttreeks Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I don't hate the guy by my God he's a liability out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van_ws Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I don't want to see him on the ice again in the playoffs, period. Waste of space and ice-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyville88 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I don't like ragging on players in threads that are devoted entirely to them (prefer to do it in the PGT and then be done with it) but holy lord what a copout on the play that led to Kopitar's goal. I coach a bunch of Pee Wees and the first thing I tell them is "take the body and don't get mezmerised by the puck". Elementary hockey right there. If Raymond is afraid to initiate contact because of his injury he needs to pull himself from the lineup. Can't be making plays like that where he just does a fly by of the puck and doesn't do anything to knock the player off of it. Very disappointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I don't like ragging on players in threads that are devoted entirely to them (prefer to do it in the PGT and then be done with it) but holy lord what a copout on the play that led to Kopitar's goal. I coach a bunch of Pee Wees and the first thing I tell them is "take the body and don't get mezmerised by the puck". Elementary hockey right there. If Raymond is afraid to initiate contact because of his injury he needs to pull himself from the lineup. Can't be making plays like that where he just does a fly by of the puck and doesn't do anything to knock the player off of it. Very disappointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginu Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The guy is one of our best forwards right now. He is backchecking, hitting effectively, not falling, creating chances and generally doing everything but scoring, which is more than one can say about a lot of people. This is people's reasoning to give Kesler a free pass. - He was injured and missed training camp - The PP is struggling; so naturally he will too - He gives 100% consistently - He is defensively solid Yet, the funny thing is, Raymond does the same things Kesler does. - He was injured and missed training camp (even worse injury) - He was taken off the PP (also, the PP sucking should have something to do with its members. Kesler is a member) - He gives 100% consistently - He is defensively solid But Raymond can be hated upon with impunity? He doesn't even have close to Kesler's ice time either. Why is he being hated on now? He's doing nothing wrong other than scoring (nobody is scoring). He actually hits, and he knocked down a few people from his hits. I also saw him jawing at Brown the shift after he hit Henrik (shows he's really passionate). I saw him skating hard and backchecking. I saw him make some good passes (eg. to Lapierre in front of the net in period 1). So why is he being hated on? Of course, not all of CDC is, but there are too many people bashing him than necessary IMO. Edit: Why does nobody actually read my point? These arguments again are : He isn't scoring, he is falling down, he can't make a pass. He isn't scorng, but Kesler isn't either. He ISN'T falling and he IS making passes as of now. It's a dumb time to hate on him and people just think he's still bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think the problem was that he did try to take the body on Kopitar but he tried to play through Kopitar instead of just tie Kopitar up (or at least tie up Kopitar's stick). He had a few shifts later but it looks like he did end up getting benched after giving up the puck in the neutral zone leading to the Canucks getting hemmed in the defensive end (again). I like Raymond's speed. That was what everybody raved about when he first started playing. It does add a lot to the line-up but only when he is, at the very least, defensively responsible. When Raymond first started he was able to make plays while flying. The main drawback then was that he was a perimeter player (which is still a major issue for him). Right now though, Raymond is adding very little to the roster and seems to be making things worse. Frankly, I think Ebbett should play instead of Raymond. Although Weise would obviously add more of a physical element, I think Ebbett's game is more suited to replacing a guy like Raymond than Weise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixteen W's Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Kopitar basically just glided Raymond past him on the first goal, and he just gets pushed off the puck much too easily. There's no real answer to Raymond. He's not strong enough to drive to the net, and he doesn't have a good enough shot to play a perimeter game. Maybe he should stick to trying to be a playmaker like Henrik. Just worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Canuckian Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The Kopitar goal doesn't happen if Raymond stays with him, angles him along the boards, instead of trying to hit a guy who has 3 inches, and 40 pounds on him. Seriously... even if Raymond connected, he would have bounced right off of him. But no, Raymond puts himself entirely out of the play, and I was yelling at him even before the puck went in the net. Won't be sorry to see him go. And incidentally, does he remind anyone else of Denny, the slightly mentally handicapped kid from The Room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiwanchik Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Raymond is an enigma. He has shown in the past he can score. He has incredible speed and it has helped the team when backchecking or stripping the puck from opponents. What fans seem to abhor is his unwillingness to drive to the net, instead goes to the outside only to squander another offensive opportunity. His shot isn't lethal so that's another reason why people are up in arms when most of his shots are from Timbuktu. Maybe it's his fear of getting hit. I don't know. AV has given him plenty of opportunities. Unfortunately, offensive production isn't in Raymond's repertoire. At best, he is a good speedy checking forward, good for a fourth liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme.Canuck Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Tonight wont help the pro-Raymond camp. Just BRUTAL on the Kopitar goal-- if he stayed with him rather than taking the body (since WHEN does he do that?), it very easily wouldn't have been a goal. Just wonder what AV will do with him now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberries Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 scratch ray next game put in weise or bitz and lappy to the second line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme.Canuck Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 scratch ray next game put in weise or bitz and lappy to the second line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Raymond is an enigma. He has shown in the past he can score. He has incredible speed and it has helped the team when backchecking or stripping the puck from opponents. What fans seem to abhor is his unwillingness to drive to the net, instead goes to the outside only to squander another offensive opportunity. His shot isn't lethal so that's another reason why people are up in arms when most of his shots are from Timbuktu. Maybe it's his fear of getting hit. I don't know. AV has given him plenty of opportunities. Unfortunately, offensive production isn't in Raymond's repertoire. At best, he is a good speedy checking forward, good for a fourth liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 scratch ray next game put in weise or bitz and lappy to the second line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginu Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Raymond has one thing going for him and that's speed. He lacks size, skill, can't make a play or pass, falls down too easily, can't control the puck... He's also had more than enough chances to change his game, however he's the same raymond as I can remember him. Just a perimeter player who's always been afraid to take it to the net. Change would be really good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smyl ( : Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Raymond was like the greeter at Wal-Mart on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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