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Does Vigneault Get "out-Coached" In The Postseason?

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Yes he does, I can't remember a series where he has out coached anyone.

Maybe you could make an argument that he did against St.Louis in 09 but that's all I can think of.

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People make it seem like any other coach could come in and do better. I hope we don't have to find out the hard way exactly how good a coach AV really is. I like people that can come up with statistics for or against him. Mostly his supporters seem to use stats to prove the point. His detractors seem to assume a loss is because he was outcoached.

Anyway, good post, IMO.

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I personally think AV is a good coach. He'll never be the best, but he's among the upper half imo. I mean, our mentality for the team has allowed us to make the SCF last year. Yeah, being down 3-0 in the series sucks, but I mean its not entirely the coach's fault, he's not the one who scores goals for our team.

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I'm sure coaching is part of it. What's annoying is when people blame coaching only, and all of a sudden it's not Canucks vs Kings, it's Vigneault vs Sutter or Julien or Quenneville. You could say every coach that loses a series is out coached too. The players are the ones that have to actually do the job. And also, it's not like coaches are the only ones responsible for strategies and stuff. The players themselves can pick up on things, have input, and create their own personal strategies.

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i can't remember anyone saying that AV out coached other coaches when the canucks beat teams last year....when canucks win, it is the players that did it, but when they lose, all of a sudden, it's the coach being out coached.....coaching isn't the problem here, unless your saying it's the coaches fault, he couldn't find any combinations that could put the puck in the net.....

in the end, the players have to look in the mirror and put the blame where it really belongs....

i have never owned an nhl team, been a general manager, coached in the nhl or played on an nhl team, so my comments are just my opinion and in no way means, i know what i'm talking about.....i'll leave the decisions to the people that have the experience of analyzing all facets of the game....

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I'm sure coaching is part of it. What's annoying is when people blame coaching only, and all of a sudden it's not Canucks vs Kings, it's Vigneault vs Sutter or Julien or Quenneville. You could say every coach that loses a series is out coached too. The players are the ones that have to actually do the job. And also, it's not like coaches are the only ones responsible for strategies and stuff. The players themselves can pick up on things, have input, and create their own personal strategies.

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The whole coaching staff is out coached. They have a very gifted team that excells in the regular season. But when the intensity ramps up you can not win with skill alone. The power play, break outs, the defence positioning are all coaching decisions. Regular season are skilled players make up for lack of coaching with there skill. Now that LA has ramped up there intensity and droped into a trapping situation. Our boys aren't being or werent coached to deal with it. You can't tell me all the defencive missed assignments are all on the players, or lack of a power play is all Daniel Sedin. Its called lack of coaching plain and simple. Let's hope are chance a at cup doesn't run out because of it.

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St. Louis '09 & San Jose '11 are the only two series where it was obvious that he was the better coach in that series.

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i can't remember anyone saying that AV out coached other coaches when the canucks beat teams last year....when canucks win, it is the players that did it, but when they lose, all of a sudden, it's the coach being out coached.....coaching isn't the problem here, unless your saying it's the coaches fault, he couldn't find any combinations that could put the puck in the net.....

in the end, the players have to look in the mirror and put the blame where it really belongs....

i have never owned an nhl team, been a general manager, coached in the nhl or played on an nhl team, so my comments are just my opinion and in no way means, i know what i'm talking about.....i'll leave the decisions to the people that have the experience of analyzing all facets of the game....

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Yes he does, I can't remember a series where he has out coached anyone.

Maybe you could make an argument that he did against St.Louis in 09 but that's all I can think of.

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The biggest thing that has annoyed me this series is how we continue to dump the puck in around the boards. Every single time, Quick comes out and plays it up to a defenceman and they break out.

You can't beat a team with the forcheck like that if their goalie is good at handling the puck. We need to put the puck where Quick can't get it, and beat their D with an agreesive forecheck. Or you know, actually make plays off the rush...

I've seen no attempt to adapt to this.

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St. Louis '09 & San Jose '11 are the only two series where it was obvious that he was the better coach in that series.

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I do think that AV does get out-coached from time to time...by AV. It kinda reminds me of that scene from Princess Bride where the guy tries to out-think the other guy and ends up drinking the poison himself. Sometimes simpler is better, and occasionally AV (who is a very smart coach) just makes things too complicated (with line combos/matching, starting goalie secrets etc. etc.). It also reminds me of the scene from Indiana Jones where the bad guy does all those complicated sword tricks and Indy just pulls out his gun and shoots him. In the playoffs, the pressure on-ice gets multiplied by the off-ice pressures and head games, sometimes simpler is better. Lappy had success with Henrik, go with it. Kes and Higgy have chemistry, go with it. Schneider is a better goalie right now, go with it. No games, no BS, just keep it simple. Make the other coach have to out coach you.

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When isn't AV out coached? :bigblush:

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