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#1 jonnycanuck46

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:59 PM

Ian Esplen wrote this article, pretty much nailing the coaching situation

http://www.hockeybuz...n/WTF/164/43861

Words can't even begin to describe how I feel right now, but I'll try. Confused, puzzled, pissed off, Fu?ked up, insane, jack ass, moron, nope none of them fit. Let's just make up a new word for it.


Vigneault- To have absolutely no clue what you are doing, no clue as to how to motivate, and to throw your players under a bus whenever you can.

That should about cover it for a definition.


What I saw out of the team was pretty good, but what I saw out of the coach was nothing. When a Kings player makes a mistake, Sutter goes up to him, pats him on the back and coaches him. What I saw from AV was, chomp on the gum a bit harder and if they are one of your "boys" toss him out to make the same mistake. If they are not in the "boys club", staple their ass to the bench.

Then in the press conference, just when you think AV couldn't say anything dumber. Just when you thought AV might take a fine to stand up for his guys. AV goes and tosses Hank under the bus. When asked about the hit, AV responded with, " I didn't like the position Hank put himself in." Way to back your Captain AV. Blame him for getting his brains scrambled. No wonder this team doesn't play hard for you, they know you don't have their back so why should they have yours?

Regardless of whether or not you like the hit, in my opinion, the coach should always have his team's back. Having Hank's back doesn't mean tossing him under the bus and saying he needs to pay more attention. Someone kills your best player, you call for that players head and take the fine from the league. That hit should have the coach up in arms. That hit should have had AV screaming at someone.


A coach that shows no passion = a team that shows no passion


The other thing that should have been done is to tap Weise and Kassian on the shoulder and put them out for a few more shifts. Instead, Vancouver had the same reaction as their coach. That reaction was nothing unless you count the slow dancing that Burrows did with Kopitar or Juice trying to make out with Brown. I don't think hugging is going to exactly detour anyone from running players through the boards.

As for the hit, I won't even bother to comment on it and I suggest all Canucks fans do the same. If the organization doesn't have a problem with it or care that the Canucks best player almost got killed, why should we? No one stepped up for Hank and answered the bell, so why should we as fans waste time with it. The continual problem with this team is they don't have each other's back.

We saw it against Boston last year and we have seen it this year against LA. They get down and no one is there to pick them up. Look at Edler, playing bad, why not just rip him in the media to make him feel even more like crap. And what happen because of it, he played about as bad as you can possibly play. I guess AV pushed the right button there.

This team has the talent to win, but right now they lack the teacher to get them there. Vancouver's biggest problem on the ice has been goals. It seems like eternity since they has scored more than 2 in a game. Yet, Andrew Ebbett, a player who has played well and scored some big goals all year, was watching last night because AV felt Weise was needed for two minutes.

Zack Kassian was also watching. A player that was brought in for toughness and to give the line up a more balanced feel has made us a three line team. Right now his confidence level is in the crapper, let's just hope AV isn't ruining him like he was Cody. Cody was smart enough to want off the ship, wonder if Kassian will ask for a trade at season end too. Kassian was brought in for the playoffs, but it now appears he's in the same boat as Cody and watching the playoffs.

But should this really surprise us? No not really, AV has always never really coached players or listened to them. I remember Naslund going to him in his last season and saying that puck possession was the way of the future. That it was how the Canucks should play. AV ignored his players then, why should we expect him to not ignore them now?

Now after that rant you may be thinking that I'm ready to toss the towel in. No I am not. Vancouver has two days to get ready, and the guys in the locker room to win four straight. The only question I have is do we have the coach that will make the right decisions and play the right players?

One game at a time starts right now. Win game 4, get it home and anything can happen. Get Ebbett and Kassian 10-12 minutes and try to coach Edler out of his funk. Win that one and see what happens.

Thanks for Reading.
Enjoy your day.
Ian

P.S.- Mods get ready, my gut says You're going to have a busy week ahead.

and for those of you who missed it. here is the Sedin hit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJTe5iSvWE


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:00 PM

It seems as if it was written by a fan, rather than an analyst.

A bitter fan at that. Hockeybuzz really? Other than Andy Strickland that site is useless.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:00 PM

No topic you ever post should be described as "must read", without a "not" separating those two words.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:01 PM

is that a pseudonym for Tony Gallagher?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:03 PM

It is annoying sometimes seeing AV with his calm expression when he should be visually outraged and seething.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:05 PM

AV always says he lets the players figure it out for themselves. Maybe thats the issue?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:05 PM

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:05 PM

No topic you ever post should be described as "must read", without a "not" separating those two words.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:06 PM

Any topic I post should be separated by: No rats allowed.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:09 PM

Viggy is a chump. We need a real coach. Same team last year with an NHL calibre thinker on the bench would be trying for the back to back cup win this year. nuff said.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:10 PM

Reading this made me miss Shane. I really miss Shane.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:13 PM

No topic you ever post should be described as "must read", without a "not" separating those two words.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:14 PM

look who's talking


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:16 PM

I actually put some heat on AV for not pulling Luongo when he is clearly off of his game in really , really big games. Multiple chicago series, boston series. Instead, he lets Luongo stay in and get lit up time after time. This has absolutely destroyed Lu at times and has given him a choker label. If he had pulled Luongo after the game was out of reach (but only let in a few) and it was clear that Luongo was off of his game, Luongo's 'choker' meltdown would not exist. I'm not saying it doesn't mean that Luongo didn't complete meltdown in some games but AV just made it incredibly worse by not forcing Luongo to leave the game. Luongo is a fighter and always wants to stay in, but it was up to AV to get him out of there waaaaaaaaaaay sooner. Screw AV.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

Even Henrik said he was fine with the hit.

Vigneault didn't "throw Henrik under the bus". He made a reasonable comment about a hard, clean hit. The message: suck it up and play through it. But then AV knew that anyway. That's what a good captain does, Henrik missed a shift, then played well the rest of the game.

Patting players on the back after they make mistakes is great if they're peewees. Adults don't need to be coddled. And there're plenty of times when Bowness gives instruction to players on the bench -- (without the love taps and flowery encouragement).

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:46 PM

AV can not do a coaches job at this level and never has been able to.The Canucks have won in spite of him not because of him,not once in all the years he's been here has never been able to motivate this team,when they are in a slump it's always been a players only meeting that has brought change and whenever AV has been faced by a great coach he can't adjust.No cup in Van until we get a real NHL level coach !

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:51 PM

A must read for understanding why one should never abuse the phrase must read. People have different standards of what must read means and if yours isn't high then like the OP you come across as dumb-like

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:53 PM

Who is Ian Esplen and what kind of credentials does he have that would encourage anyone to listen to what he has to say?
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:53 PM

While this run isn't entirely AV's fault, he sure shares some of the blame. Booth/Kes on same line? Switching up working pairs before playoffs to confuse everyone, then have them back together again? I don't understand what he does, but he did lead us to game 7 of the SCF. So.... yeah. :emot-parrot:

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:57 PM

You realize that AV is the head of a TEAM of coaches the Canucks have. If you want to see someone whisper in people's ears on the bench you look at Bowness. AV tells Bowness what to say and Bowness relays it to the players.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:58 PM

Im starting to think AV needs to go, but im scared by who we might get to replace him.

Still, this "article" was just retarded. Why is this guy whining about our 4th line not getting enough time? Don't you think that the first 2 lines are what we need to focus on to get us back on track?

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

Even Henrik said he was fine with the hit.

Vigneault didn't "throw Henrik under the bus". He made a reasonable comment about a hard, clean hit. The message: suck it up and play through it. But then AV knew that anyway. That's what a good captain does, Henrik missed a shift, then played well the rest of the game.

Patting players on the back after they make mistakes is great if they're peewees. Adults don't need to be coddled. And there're plenty of times when Bowness gives instruction to players on the bench -- (without the love taps and flowery encouragement).


Do you watch other top coaches? Bylsma; Babcock; Trotz; Torts? They all talk to their players. They engage with their players. They motivate their players.

A coach doesn't have to be friends with the players, but he should have a relationship with them, understand what motivates them and be able to use that when necessary. AV prides himself at being distant and unapproachable. He brags about not ever going in the dressing room...WTF!!

on top of this, add to how he plays favorites overlooking poor performance by his faves while benching or trading those he doesn't like and it's hard to believe there is a high degree of mutual respect.

One things for sure, I would not want to be a rookie with Vancouver. WHile other teams are having better success than the Nucks with loads of young guys in the lineup, AV sticks to the old "pay your dues" while the supposed stars dick around all season under-performing., then come playoffs, all the players that have not had a chance to learn how to contribute during the season get thronw to the wolves for a few shifts and then benched when they don't impress.

He was hated by Linden, Naslund two of the classiest and heart and soul guys of the Nucks. He had it in for Coho and O'Brien and others...

I would be happy to see him go and a fresh approach taken to runnig this team.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:14 PM

So your pretty much saying you wish he threw a chair on the ice and told his team to go rip browns head off? Game was tied and we were out playing LA, pretty sure he wanted the boys to keep doin what they were doing and grind the win out, smart cool coaching imo

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:23 PM

Who is Ian Esplen and what kind of credentials does he have that would encourage anyone to listen to what he has to say?


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:39 PM

Pathetically funny, how so many of you genius know it all gossip hounds are too cowardly to even reveal your age, gender, or interests and location on your personal profiles.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:39 PM

Do you watch other top coaches? Bylsma; Babcock; Trotz; Torts? They all talk to their players. They engage with their players. They motivate their players.

A coach doesn't have to be friends with the players, but he should have a relationship with them, understand what motivates them and be able to use that when necessary. AV prides himself at being distant and unapproachable. He brags about not ever going in the dressing room...WTF!!

on top of this, add to how he plays favorites overlooking poor performance by his faves while benching or trading those he doesn't like and it's hard to believe there is a high degree of mutual respect.

One things for sure, I would not want to be a rookie with Vancouver. WHile other teams are having better success than the Nucks with loads of young guys in the lineup, AV sticks to the old "pay your dues" while the supposed stars dick around all season under-performing., then come playoffs, all the players that have not had a chance to learn how to contribute during the season get thronw to the wolves for a few shifts and then benched when they don't impress.

He was hated by Linden, Naslund two of the classiest and heart and soul guys of the Nucks. He had it in for Coho and O'Brien and others...

I would be happy to see him go and a fresh approach taken to runnig this team.


Scotty Bowman and Fred Shero were two of the most successful coaches in NHL history. They didn't "relate" to their players during a game, either. Freddy the Fog, and Bowman, kept their players guessing, but it didn't detract from the success of their teams. Players are grown ups, and they don't need to be "encouraged". They're already highly motivated, otherwise they wouldn't be winning Presidents Cups, back to back, in the toughest hockey league on the planet. Players self-motivate, and they motivate others on their line, Dpair, and bench. Besides, I already mentioned that Bowness relays messages on the bench -- not "it's OK, big guy, you'll get 'em next time", like the OP seems to think is important, but technical detail which the other team may be exploiting, or where the Canucks may be able to exploit.

As for your other argument, you have no idea what goes on inside the dressing room, so your conjecture that AV is not liked in the dressing room is unfounded. Do some players not like him? I would hope so, it's not a popularity contest. Hitchcock isn't loved either. He's tough on players. But AV's been the coach here for 6 years, and it's remarkable how little controversy there's been with him and his players in that time. O'Brien? Gimme a break. Guy wasn't serious. Roxy and eight extra pounds of drink and food during an Olympic break during our stretch run. Yeah, AV called him out and SOB sobbed about it. He's had a real impact on nashville and (now) Colorado since. I guess Trotz didn't give him the love, either.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:50 PM

I've never liked him, when Nazzy and Linden both had problems with him I wanted him gone. I won't be sad in the slightest the day AV gets his walking papers. I'll be excited to see what a new coach can do with this team.
Never liked how AV deals with rookies, everyone says well the rookies aren't ready. If they are in the line up, put them in positions to succeed and grow as players. Not sitting on the bench playing 4 mins a night on the 4th line. Look at Philly, and how they've dealt with their rookies and see how they have been helping the team out in the playoffs. We'll never see that in Van with AV as the coach.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:59 PM

I've never liked him, when Nazzy and Linden both had problems with him I wanted him gone. I won't be sad in the slightest the day AV gets his walking papers. I'll be excited to see what a new coach can do with this team.
Never liked how AV deals with rookies, everyone says well the rookies aren't ready. If they are in the line up, put them in positions to succeed and grow as players. Not sitting on the bench playing 4 mins a night on the 4th line. Look at Philly, and how they've dealt with their rookies and see how they have been helping the team out in the playoffs. We'll never see that in Van with AV as the coach.


Vigneault played his 4th line as many minutes per game as any other coach this year. Are you talking strictly playoffs? Because in the playoffs you go with limited minutes on the 4th line. Those players are used more in the regular season since you're conserving energy for your stars over a grueling six months. In the do-or-die playoff format, you play your best. Especially when the Canucks are down 2-0 in the series, you're not gonna put Wiese and Kassian and Malhotra (short of key Dzone faceoffs) out there when we can't buy a goal.

Which rookies would you have played? We called up Tanev, and he's developing well under AV, same as Hansen before him, Burrows before him, and the list goes on.


edit: oh, and as for Saint Trevor. His best before date had expired. The only ones who didn't see that are a hyper-competitve Linden (can't blame him for that), and the fans whose accumulated love for his play blinded them to that unpleasant fact.

Edited by Barry_Wilkins, 16 April 2012 - 11:01 PM.


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:03 PM

Scotty Bowman and Fred Shero were two of the most successful coaches in NHL history. They didn't "relate" to their players during a game, either. Freddy the Fog, and Bowman, kept their players guessing, but it didn't detract from the success of their teams. Players are grown ups, and they don't need to be "encouraged". They're already highly motivated, otherwise they wouldn't be winning Presidents Cups, back to back, in the toughest hockey league on the planet. Players self-motivate, and they motivate others on their line, Dpair, and bench. Besides, I already mentioned that Bowness relays messages on the bench -- not "it's OK, big guy, you'll get 'em next time", like the OP seems to think is important, but technical detail which the other team may be exploiting, or where the Canucks may be able to exploit.

As for your other argument, you have no idea what goes on inside the dressing room, so your conjecture that AV is not liked in the dressing room is unfounded. Do some players not like him? I would hope so, it's not a popularity contest. Hitchcock isn't loved either. He's tough on players. But AV's been the coach here for 6 years, and it's remarkable how little controversy there's been with him and his players in that time. O'Brien? Gimme a break. Guy wasn't serious. Roxy and eight extra pounds of drink and food during an Olympic break during our stretch run. Yeah, AV called him out and SOB sobbed about it. He's had a real impact on nashville and (now) Colorado since. I guess Trotz didn't give him the love, either.


Of course players are motivated, but there comes a point when everything you've done isn't working, and you are not making proper adjustments to play the team - we saw this against Boston, we saw this twice against Chicago, and we're seeing it now against LA. D. Sutter has got the right players going, found a way to limit the Canucks offense (perimter shots, clear rebounds). Vigneault is happy with the status quo, and this is why the Canucks are down 3-0 in the series.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:04 PM

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