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#1 precipice

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:11 AM

Whether we win or lose tomorrow, for me, this is a great hockey team. Over the last three years and especially the last 22 months they have given us a great run.

I don't agree that they are not giving their all. When you add up the late season last year, the things like Manny's eye, Hank's back, Kes's hip, Raymond's back, and on and on, then put in a viscious winter road sched and then load on the "we're goona win this year" demands creating the expactations of both the fans and the team, the stress just goes over the top, then Danny gets taken out by a thug, and suddenly the threshold is crossed and like any human, superstar or not, you burn out.

And that is where we are--- burnout. I truly respect and honour this team for its integrity, its heart and its skill. It is one of the great ones.

No matter what tomorrow brings it will not change that fact.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:16 AM

I agree. However, I doubt that this will affect all the "fire AV" and "trade player X, Y or Z" threads that will accompany a loss, either tomorrow or in any of the potential next 16 games.
Orland Kurtenbach and Dennis Kearns had just been torched 8-1 by the Habs, but they still took time to come out to meet us, some fellow BC boys who were playing hockey in Montreal. THAT"S what being a Canuck is!

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:20 AM

Nope, until you etch your name immortally On the side of Lord Stanley's giant champagne glass, you are not a great team. You may be a good team or a possible could be, but never was.

Just never great.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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#4 Kryten

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:27 AM

I disagree. This team is different than the previous teams because it has different players. Last year the squad had chemistry and played with confidence. This year they have very little chemistry (with the exception of one line) and some key players have lost their confidence. Calling it a teamwide burnout is an excuse and an unacceptable one.

Now if you wanted to say this is a great organization who gives their fans a reason to cheer hard each year, then I would agree with you. The owners do everything in their power to give us a chance, they deserve a tip of the hat.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:30 AM

You gotta wonder how many guys actually truly want another long post-season. I'd bet most of them are on some level excited at the idea of having nearly 5 months off, especially those that went through nasty injuries/surgeries in the last year. They can take it easy, workout and train at their leisure, be with their families, take some extended vacations... that would sound good to me.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:51 AM

I've wanted AV gone ever since he kept Linden in the press box. MacT will be leading our team next year!!! I still hope we can come back though, boy I would love to shut up the canuck haters

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:53 AM

I hope we can make a series of it. The last loss was hard.. the Canucks really deserved the W there, outplaying the Kings for 50 minutes. I don't doubt that the extended post-season last year is still a factor, but the Canucks are capable of a lot more than this 3-0 deficit.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:04 AM

We are lucky to have an elite team even if they go out like chumps this year I'm thankful I'm not a Calgary,Edmonton,Toronto Montreal fan.

i have faith in MG.

They will make the obvious and appropriate personnel changes in the off season.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:14 AM

Nope, until you etch your name immortally On the side of Lord Stanley's giant champagne glass, you are not a great team. You may be a good team or a possible could be, but never was. Just never great.


Yes thats why you will never be great...I feel your pain.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:17 AM

This team will never be a great team until our name is etched on the Cup. This team is actually quite awful if you look at their performance in this series.... :angry:



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:39 AM

Will love and support this team always. I like the people on our team, who they are on and off the ice. As long as we continue to have these great players, I will always be backing them. I don't cheer for them solely because they're my home team. The players define the team and my love for the Canucks.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:40 AM

We have a very good team but not great. You don't get the great status until you've won the cup

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:43 AM

We are lucky to have an elite team even if they go out like chumps this year I'm thankful I'm not a Calgary,Edmonton,Toronto Montreal fan.

i have faith in MG.

They will make the obvious and appropriate personnel changes in the off season.


Edmonton is gonna dominate us next year/ 2 years from now

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:13 PM

You gotta wonder how many guys actually truly want another long post-season. I'd bet most of them are on some level excited at the idea of having nearly 5 months off, especially those that went through nasty injuries/surgeries in the last year. They can take it easy, workout and train at their leisure, be with their families, take some extended vacations... that would sound good to me.


I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:38 PM

will we be the last canadian team to hoist the cup? :(

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:42 PM

Hmnn.....the Bruins don't look that burned out....

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:42 PM

I disagree. This team is different than the previous teams because it has different players. Last year the squad had chemistry and played with confidence. This year they have very little chemistry (with the exception of one line) and some key players have lost their confidence. Calling it a teamwide burnout is an excuse and an unacceptable one. Now if you wanted to say this is a great organization who gives their fans a reason to cheer hard each year, then I would agree with you. The owners do everything in their power to give us a chance, they deserve a tip of the hat.


THe way the team has played (or not played) this year does point to some kind of burnout or "hitting a wall". I t may be understandable to some extent but still hard to forgive for professionals making huge money. Other teams had a long run last year and seem to be able to carry on.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:43 PM

You gotta wonder how many guys actually truly want another long post-season. I'd bet most of them are on some level excited at the idea of having nearly 5 months off, especially those that went through nasty injuries/surgeries in the last year. They can take it easy, workout and train at their leisure, be with their families, take some extended vacations... that would sound good to me.


If that is the case then they need to go play for the New York Islanders or some other worthless team. That is pathetic! If you aren't gonna go out there and play to win then there is something wrong with you! I really hope that isn't the case and if it is there is a major problem and those individuals need to get the hell out of town! :angry:



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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:48 PM

You gotta wonder how many guys actually truly want another long post-season. I'd bet most of them are on some level excited at the idea of having nearly 5 months off, especially those that went through nasty injuries/surgeries in the last year. They can take it easy, workout and train at their leisure, be with their families, take some extended vacations... that would sound good to me.


THis could have a lot to do with it. My brother played pro hockey and in his opinion the guys tha have been there know exactly what level of effort an dsacrifice it takes ot make a run at the cup and they may ssimply not have the energy or desire to to it this year.

While maybe true, to me that smacks of lack of leadership or chemistry. It's never been easy but teams in the past have won multiple times. IF this is the reason for the team's poor performance, then changes to the core need to be made to bring in the right attitude and effort.

St Louis's turn around came as much from a change in expectation and attitude than from a coaching change albeit, it was the coach that brought those things to the team. Same could be said for LA...Sutter preaches attitude and effort...it turned around their season before they added new players.

It could be AV or it could be the core but it is quite likely there is a defficiency in the organization that needs to be addressed for thie team to truly be a contender on a consistent basis.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:55 PM

I say we keep at it. The Sedins, Kesler & Luongo are still getting into their prime years (and increasing in value), so we should keep building around them. Its simply not productive to start from scratch at this point. I think that maybe if these issues still persists 2-3 years down the line, then maybe.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:46 PM

Here is article in National Post today, and why Canucks are down 3-0 in series:

WHY VANCOUVER IS DOWN 3-0
That missing Sedin Daniel Sedin led the Canucks with 30 goals this season, even though he missed the final nine games with a concussion suffered March 21, when he was hit by a vicious elbow from Chicago’s Duncan Keith. Vancouver was struggling to score before he left, and it continued to struggle in his absence, averaging 2.67 goals a game, or about a third of a goal below its season-ending average (2.94). In three playoff games without Daniel, the Canucks are averaging 1.33 goals a game. Henrik Sedin and Ryan Kesler have been held without a goal. Daniel Sedin is expected to practise with the team on Tuesday, but his status for Game 4 remains unclear.

Offensive depth Vancouver executed one of the few eyebrow-raising moves of the trade deadline in February when it swapped one first-round pick (Cody Hodgson) for another (Zack Kassian) in a deal with Buffalo that was supposed to provide a dose of size to the Canucks roster. It turns out they needed scoring. Hodgson finished with eight points in 20 games with the Sabres (0.40 points a game), while Kassian had three points in 17 games with the Canucks (0.18 points a game). Kassian does not have a point in the first three playoff games of his NHL career.

Goaltending Jonathan Quick, the 26-year-old Vezina Trophy candidate, has allowed just four goals in three games against Vancouver, and had faced more shots (115) than any other goaltender in the playoffs through Sunday while posting a .965 save percentage. Vancouver’s Roberto Luongo, who was scratched in favour of Cory Schneider on Sunday, had an .891 save-percentage in two starts. (Schneider, who only faced 20 shots on Sunday, is at .950.)

Special teams Only three playoff teams had not scored a power-play goal heading into play Monday, and Vancouver was one of them. (Boston and Washington were the others, in a series with 11 power-play opportunities.) And the Canucks conceded a pair of short-handed goals to Kings captain Dustin Brown in Game 2, a 4-2 loss at home.

A move not made With Luongo signed through the 2021-22 season, everyone in the league seemed to be wondering what the Canucks would do with Schneider, a backup who actually outperformed Luongo in several key statistical categories this season. They decided not to trade Schneider, leaving this potential collapse open to hindsight. “If the Canucks had traded him on any of the occasions when it seemed prudent to do so,” columnist Cam Cole wrote in The Vancouver Sun, “they might have had that extra impact player they so desperately needed to help fill the void created by Daniel [Sedin]’s absence.”


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:55 PM

You gotta wonder how many guys actually truly want another long post-season. I'd bet most of them are on some level excited at the idea of having nearly 5 months off, especially those that went through nasty injuries/surgeries in the last year. They can take it easy, workout and train at their leisure, be with their families, take some extended vacations... that would sound good to me.

If there is anyone who thinks that, they're welcome to not come back next year and have even more time off.

While it isn't quite the lengthy playoffs of the NHL, any recreational sport I play that has playoffs is one I want to win. I still want to be in those games, even though I'm not getting paid for it, and I have to deal with the soreness the day after and while at work.

If any of these players can't get excited about earning millions to play a sport for part of the year, they don't deserve a contract in the NHL.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:11 PM

If there is anyone who thinks that, they're welcome to not come back next year and have even more time off.

While it isn't quite the lengthy playoffs of the NHL, any recreational sport I play that has playoffs is one I want to win. I still want to be in those games, even though I'm not getting paid for it, and I have to deal with the soreness the day after and while at work.

If any of these players can't get excited about earning millions to play a sport for part of the year, they don't deserve a contract in the NHL.


If any of them would like to volunteer to be part of a package to get Columbus' first round pick or Nash or whatever, let them step forward.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:03 PM

Whether we win or lose i will always believe and have faith and support my Vancouver Canucks.

GO CANUCKS GO!

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:06 PM

Edmonton is gonna dominate us next year/ 2 years from now


Living in Edmonton, I can atest to the fans here being very snobby. Whenever they start losing in the season they go into a shell, but when we lose in the playoffs, they attack like vultures. Geez You would have thought some respect would be nice for once.

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