Prngr44 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Uhm, there's this thing called "waivers". Luongo would be snapped up for nothing if Vancouver tried to put him in the minors. Really great asset management there. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 My view is simple. Both goalies are pretty equal overall, but the difference is in how each goalie adapts to the market he's in. Emotional goalies have trouble in Vancouver. The fanbase here hurts them badly, and it hurts their play. Ice cold, totally calm goalies excel here, the last one was McLean, now Schneider is similar in his calmness. With the way things have gone, I do think Luongo could be feeling, the team is becoming Schneider's, not mine, and will say "here's a list of places I'd go, I'll accept a trade to one of them". I think if he does get moved, his numbers will bounce back up, he simply needs to be in a city where a he won't be scrutinized in the way we do here. Given similar skill in net between the two, Schneider is the one that has the right demeanor for a city that gives most goalies nightmares. I really like Luongo and would rather see him succeed in a city that fit him better, than have his career go downhill because he is too emotional for this town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carson Graham Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 Lu isn't going anywhere. It's an LA post. Idiots. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I bet he'd clear waivers with that contract. If he was brought in on re-entry waivers, then yes, teams would likely snatch him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey!? Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Lu isn't going anywhere. It's an LA post. Idiots. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prngr44 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I bet he wouldn't clear waivers. His cap hit is very reasonable. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Sure, but not for 10 more years. He's realistically under contract until he's 40 if you consider the last 3 years "throwaways". I'm sure all kinds of people are lining up to pay a 33 year old goaltender almost $7M/yr. for 6 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think aquilini loves their Italian. Prob fires MG first if he moves him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I really wish we could stop talking about Luongo being traded. It can't do anything but harm to his confidence and it isn't happening. He was our best player in games 1 and 2 and we still want to trade him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 We have 2 very good goalies. One of them is younger and doesn't have a massive contract. The other has a reputation of falling apart emotionally at the worst time. We can afford to trade one of them. It makes more sense for it to be Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't.Mess.With.Kes<3 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 don't know what you've got til its gone. If Lu isn't here next year i will be VERY disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Vs Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 So Canucks get rid of Luongo, Schnider doesn't make a big save, and then fans say....'Luongo would have made that save!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I really wish we could stop talking about Luongo being traded. It can't do anything but harm to his confidence and it isn't happening. He was our best player in games 1 and 2 and we still want to trade him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I bet he wouldn't clear waivers. His cap hit is very reasonable. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksfanNY Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 http://www.faceoff.com/Schneider+Canucks+starter+making+Luongo+tradable/ LOS ANGELES — With everything at stake, the Vancouver Canucks chose Wednesday to play the goalie who had the best chance of saving their NHL season. Maybe you heard. It wasn’t the guy who has been the starter for six years, but the backup who should be the starter for the next six. Cory Schneider was not chosen to start only the Canucks’ elimination game against the Los Angeles Kings. He was chosen to start, period. The toothpaste doesn’t go back in the tube on this one. The Canucks will try to trade Luongo and his 12-year, $64-million US contract this summer. There is no other reasonable conclusion to draw from coach Alain Vigneault’s decision to go with his gut and leave Luongo on the bench against the Kings. It was Vigneault’s call, but the Canucks’ hockey operations department works by consensus and it seems everyone was in agreement to play Schneider. And since general manager Mike Gillis is no fool, the decision was made with full awareness of its implications and an acceptance of the ramifications. From a strategic, competitive standpoint, it really isn’t a tough call between Luongo and Schneider for next season and beyond. After matching Luongo’s performance numbers last season as a rookie, Schneider outplayed the starter this year. Schneider’s goals-against average of 1.96 was nearly a half-puck better than Luongo’s, and the tandem’s save percentages (.937 vs. .919) meant that for about every 50 shots, Schneider allowed one fewer goal. Schneider just turned 26 and can be expected to get better. Luongo just turned 33 and there is at least a chance that his slight decline this season is the first faint glimpse of the twilight of his career. So, remove emotions and Luongo’s huge contract from the equation, and it’s no wonder Schneider would be chosen if the Canucks could have only one of their goalies. And that’s the thing: they have to choose. Schneider is a restricted free agent this summer and ready to be a No. 1 goalkeeper. He was a first-round draft pick and has proved at every level that he is an elite player. He is already better, technically, than Luongo — wider in his butterfly and more upright when he moves laterally. If the Canucks don’t make Schneider their starter, someone else will. And another team could do it with a predatory free-agent offer. Gillis will try to re-sign Schneider before his contract expires on July 1. If he can’t, the Canucks almost certainly will arbitrate against Schneider — exercising the seldom-used contractual option that would remove the goalie from the free-agent market a few days after it opens. The Nashville Predators did it last season with Shea Weber, but handled it clumsily by lowballing their star defenceman after quashing his free-agency options. Having seen how badly that went, the Canucks would work with Schneider to establish a salary above what he ordinarily might expect based on his NHL experience so far. Of course, the risk is that Schneider, like innumerable goalies before him, fails to become a great starter immediately after being a great backup. And say what you want about Luongo’s playoff failings, he has been one of the best at his position for a decade, earning three Vezina Trophy nominations and averaging 37 wins a season for the Canucks. Despite arguments from Kirk McLean supporters, Luongo is the best goalie the franchise has had. But Schneider has the potential to be even better. Luongo’s resume, and a salary-cap hit of $5.33 million that is not an onerous as it seems, make him tradable despite having 10 years remaining on his deal. He is due $6.714 million each of the next six seasons before his salary plummets in anticipation of early retirement. The fine print in this is that Luongo has a no-trade clause. He could make things miserable for the Canucks if he flatly rejects the idea of a trade. But proud and driven to win, Luongo would be miserable, too, at even a 50/50 split of goaltending duties in Vancouver, let alone a full demotion to a backup role. Luongo can name his teams, and chances are the Canucks will find one of them with which to trade. Vancouver may get little in return. Simply clearing the crease for Schneider while off-loading Luongo’s contract might have to be the payoff for the Canucks. Gillis may even have to take on someone else’s bad contract in return. But a Luongo trade can happen and probably will. Far more time was spent on Wednesday’s goaltending decision than the two days between Games 3 and 4. A year ago, when Luongo disintegrated in Boston in the Stanley Cup final, the organization still felt an obligation to their starter. Vigneault said as much. Schneider should have started Game 4 in Boston but didn’t. He could have started Game 6 or even Game 7, but didn’t. Luongo was Vigneault’s guy. Not anymore. Excluding the season he tore his groin, Luongo’s 55 games this year were his fewest since his sophomore NHL season in 2000-01. In the last quarter of the regular season, Vigneault played Schneider as often as he did Luongo. Then he went to his backup in the third game of the playoffs, even though Luongo was solid the first two games and not responsible for the deficit to the Kings. The Canucks have been thinking ahead, working toward something. And now we know what. Vancouver Sun © Copyright © canada.com E-mail this Article Print this Article Share this Article Font: What Do You Think? Questions? - Visit our FAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksfanNY Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 It's time for Luongo to luongo. I have been a fan for the last 25 years. I can't take much more of him. He is not the goalie that is going to help win a cup. He is not the best goalie in Vancouver history. He is a over paid bum. I know little kids that are better in the pipes then him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 If Schneider had had the goal support Luongo got in games 1 & 2, he would have won game 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_a_M Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 So Canucks get rid of Luongo, Schnider doesn't make a big save, and then fans say....'Luongo would have made that save!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 His salary is reasonable for a top tier goalie, but that is not what Luongo is, as a starter he is in the bottom tier - and getting worse every year. Good bye Luo, thanks for the memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 LOL they are already saying that about Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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