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#1 VoiceOfReason_

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:13 AM

I've noticed a rather large smugness in the air this season. Both from the players, management and fans.

It was almost like we all thought we would waltz our way back in to the Stanley Cup finals. Like it was owed to us. Why should teams even bother dressing?

Most fans were wondering who we were going to face in the Western conference finals even before the playoffs had started. Some even asked who would get the cup after Henrik had his chance to hoist it. We were so quick to talk about our depth. Leading the league in scoring while having the least amount of goals scored on us.

The teams/players rhetoric was clear. We only care about playing once we get to the playoffs. Hell, they even had Michele Buble practising with them! Meh, it's just practice. Real superstars. Photo shoots? Why not. They players drank the most kool-aid.

Management even decide to out duel Toronto for the most pre-game ceremonies! One every Saturday! Let's celebrate something every damn week.

Maybe next year the players, fans and management should shut up and play every game like it meant something and not take act like we deserve something, because in sports it's a very thin like btwn confidence and arrogance and I believe every facet of our team, players and fans showed that. Including me.

A real humbling exit this is.

Edited by VoiceOfReason_, 23 April 2012 - 03:27 AM.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:16 AM

No, it's not smugness. It's passion. People who are threatened by that can suck it. And no, none of us thought we would just be handed the cup. Of course we knew it would be a battle.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:21 AM

Hmmm interesting. I dont think it was like we were owed another chance at the cup, I think it was that anything less is a huge disappointment every year now that we have seen it. The fans expected domination again, and we actually got the opposite. Yes a lot of people were arrogant, but every fan base has those. We just seem to have overflowing fans everywhere, trolling other teams cities. Lol

The bigger lesson to me is that a year makes a real difference even if you have a lot of the same players that took you to the final.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:22 AM

No, it's not smugness. It's passion. People who are threatened by that can suck it. And no, none of us thought we would just be handed the cup. Of course we knew it would be a battle.


Such passionate words.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:51 AM

What a load of crap.

There's no sense of entitlement within the majority of our support. The level of expectation was high but anyone with any common sense didn't expect us to steamroll our way back to the SCF without a challenge.

Disappointing end to a disappointing season (Feels weird to say that when you have a President's Trophy, but you know what I mean).

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:56 AM

I think we need a new coach to suit Kesler's play style.

He's definitely our Giroux.

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Gaunce is wayy cooler though, Gaunce is the kind of guy you want to bring with you to Costco

 

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:58 AM

I think we need a new coach to suit Kesler's play style.

He's definitely our Giroux.


That's a terrible way to think.
Do not accommodate players egos.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:02 AM

That's a terrible way to think.
Do not accommodate players egos.


It's not ego.
It's channeling emotion into an edge.

That's what a Coach does he motivates.

Craig Mactavish is comin in and tellin everyone to strap their boots on and get ready to sweat blood, this team will be turned around. Cory Schneider and Zack Kassian will be pivotal pieces, in addition to Brett Connolly.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:16 AM

OP - I believe you're referring to that nauseating "Sense of Entitlement" that is the hallmark of BANDWAGONERS - not true fans. It seems we're plagued with more than our share of bandwagoners out here. oh well...

Anyone with at least half a brain knows that in the playoffs nothing is a given, and any team not playing like a team and giving it everything they've got, will be dropped like a bad habit. But most bandwagoners fail the 'half a brain' test, and remain clueless about many things, not just hockey.

it's wild enough to have a president's trophy team that still needs changes, but there IS some upside here - doing a face-plant like this guarantees changes - not least being the bandwagoners, like rats, will be leaving this ship. But they don't know it's not sinking, we're just in some rough seas...

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:21 AM

Suter said it best - the Canucks were caught looking forward, and weren't focussing on the process or playing in the moment.

I expect the Canucks to pull a Philadelphia - not necessarily reconstruct their core, but take a year off to understand and realise what just hapenned, then have a huge playoffs next season.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:22 AM

Agree with this thread, all the critical people on here were told to shut up, support our players, stop being so negative, your never satisfied ect... Some of us were even called out for saying we may loose to the kings, we were called bandwagon fans.

Alot of us supposed negative people are extremely passionate and cheer for the team, not individual players, and we were negative because we seen a team not living up to its potential and has been in trouble for awhile.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:30 AM

That's a terrible way to think.
Do not accommodate players egos.


Agreed, but this is why I think we need a coach whose harder on our players. He called kesler out once and kesler put him in his place, if he was playing for sutter it would have been handled differently. Edler, bieksa, have been making mistakes for awhile now, you never seen them benched or having to work for there ice time or be punished for mistakes that simply continued.

Raymond did not loose the series but look how raymond would get scratched one single game and then was put on the 1st line. He even bumped higgins off the 2nd who was red hot outproducing him and raymond had went goal-less. Some of the things he did just sent a bad message to players. No matter how hard you work, as long as your in his good books, you will be taken care of.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:31 AM

Suter said it best - the Canucks were caught looking forward, and weren't focussing on the process or playing in the moment.

I expect the Canucks to pull a Philadelphia - not necessarily reconstruct their core, but take a year off to understand and realise what just hapenned, then have a huge playoffs next season.


Good post, Agree 100% and am excited for philly's cup run.

Also think a few tweaks and a new coach will send this team back to the finals in a year or two.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:35 AM

Agreed, but this is why I think we need a coach whose harder on our players. He called kesler out once and kesler put him in his place, if he was playing for sutter it would have been handled differently. Edler, bieksa, have been making mistakes for awhile now, you never seen them benched or having to work for there ice time or be punished for mistakes that simply continued.

Raymond did not loose the series but look how raymond would get scratched one single game and then was put on the 1st line. He even bumped higgins off the 2nd who was red hot outproducing him and raymond had went goal-less. Some of the things he did just sent a bad message to players. No matter how hard you work, as long as your in his good books, you will be taken care of.


New coach is about motivating players.

AV doesn't do that at all, it's that simple.

Hate the stick to the game plan attitude. Go out there and adapt to what's happening. Enjoy what you do and stop trying something that isn't working.

Sedins grew up a lot this season, Kesler grew up a lot, and our bottom 6 got thrown under the bus by our coach. Gillis needs to bring in Craig Mactavish simple as that.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:42 AM

Agree with this thread, all the critical people on here were told to shut up, support our players, stop being so negative, your never satisfied ect... Some of us were even called out for saying we may loose to the kings, we were called bandwagon fans.

Alot of us supposed negative people are extremely passionate and cheer for the team, not individual players, and we were negative because we seen a team not living up to its potential and has been in trouble for awhile.


I think the irony is that the Canuck fans who abuse of their fellow fans...

You know, the ones who cant discern between critique and bashing; the guys who always (and I mean always) scream at the top of their lungs that we are the most terrible fans of all time.

They are the ones who truly damage the reputation of our fan base for the simple reason that they are abusive towards anyone who says something negative about our team.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:48 AM

I think the irony is that the Canuck fans who abuse of their fellow fans...

You know, the ones who cant discern between critique and bashing; the guys who always (and I mean always) scream at the top of their lungs that we are the most terrible fans of all time.

They are the ones who truly damage the reputation of our fan base for the simple reason that they are abusive towards anyone who says something negative about our team.


If someone can't be critical of their hockey team they are not only not a fan of that team but not even of their sport or of sport in general.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:58 AM

This, from my topic in May.............seems to foretell your findings.


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..............than this.

Come on boys, have you no pride? We should be pounding these lesser lights. Every game should be played like a SC final. People have paid, many have saved up to pay for a ticket to see the Vancouver Canucks, not a practice pace shadow of the great team we know you are.

Motivation? None should be needed you are wearing the jersey. (However you are also making more in a year than most of your fans earn in a lifetime)
Stop treating these games like rehearsals or you will find you can't get it up on opening night.

Being winners, is not a tap to be turned on and off when the mood takes you. It is a state of mind borne out of habit and driven by pride.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:14 AM

This, from my topic in May.............seems to foretell your findings.


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..............than this.

Come on boys, have you no pride? We should be pounding these lesser lights. Every game should be played like a SC final. People have paid, many have saved up to pay for a ticket to see the Vancouver Canucks, not a practice pace shadow of the great team we know you are.

Motivation? None should be needed you are wearing the jersey. (However you are also making more in a year than most of your fans earn in a lifetime)
Stop treating these games like rehearsals or you will find you can't get it up on opening night.

Being winners, is not a tap to be turned on and off when the mood takes you. It is a state of mind borne out of habit and driven by pride.



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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:43 AM

It's called CONFIDENCE. Without it you are screwed and with it you are empowered. I would rather be a confident team that loses in an "upset" rather than a non-confident team that is expected to lose. Winning breeds confidence and losing breeds Maple Leaf fans.


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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:52 AM

Call it what you want, we just got our butts handed to us big time by the 8th seed team in the West. Thank god it wasn't Calgary in the 8th spot. If it wasn't for our Goaltending we would have been swept by a large margin. I could have taken a 7 game tough fought series, but we just got tooled.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:36 AM

1. The fans don't play the game. ("Maybe next year the players, fans and management should shut up and play every game like it meant something")

2. We were already IN the playoffs, so it was natural to start talking about different scenarios. I didn't see talk of WC finals, I saw speculation and discussion of who would be the best match ups, etc.

3. Teams DO have ceremonies and involve the public to participate in various things. Michael Buble's been a huge supporter of the team and it was a one shot deal. Honestly, I don't think that did a darn thing to disrupt the flow of things.

I honestly think that the grueling SCF (and previous playoff series with the Blackhawks) have taken a toll on this team, both physically and emotionally.
It's hard to fully commit and invest yourself in something only to have it disintegrate. To put everything you've got into it, but have it slip away (just think of any relationship where that happens. You learn to hold back in the process).

To come so close to "making it", but fall flat on your face despite that effort and giving it everything you've got very much can negatively impact future endeavors for awhile afterward. You don't just throw yourself back in, there's an easing in period and I think that's what we're seeing here. You need to rebuild that momentum, drive and desire.

I think it was hard for the guys to buy back into that again - yes, they were expected to, went through the motions but I don't think the drive was there or they were 100% committed like they needed to be. I don't fault them for that...I don't think it's something that comes with awareness, it's just how it is.

They've had to battle, not only on the ice but, at times, against a league that shows little support toward them. Whether it be in scheduling, discipline or whatever. I believe they're mentally spent.

But, to suggest arrogance is to blame? I see these guys call themselves plugs and display great senses of humour - mostly, laughing at themselves. Arrogant people don't do that - they rip on other people and it's not directed at themselves. I'd say they're fairly down to earth and regular guys.


People said they were coasting but I saw them exhausted and deflated at times. The motivation just wasn't there because, likely somewhere in the back of their minds they knew it could all be for nothing and that's an issue that will work itself out over time. It just was too soon to throw themselves right back in at the level you need to be at in the playoffs.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:41 AM

I learned the Canucks have no magic 'switch' they would flip once they hit the playoffs like everyone was talking about.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 06:50 AM

It looked like they coasted the majority of the season and then just had trouble finding their game when it mattered.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:15 AM

I'm not sure any team these days can "coast" all year long and still win the President's trophy. It's not like the canucks are far more skilled than every other team at the top of the standings. those teams certainly didn't coast, and i don't think the canucks did either. but teams need to find another gear in order to win playoff series.

certainly though, many people around here got a little ahead of themselves. obviously as a fan of your team, you want your team to go all the way, but as a student of the game, you have to be a little realistic.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:18 AM

they never coasted thru the season! it was a roller-coaster!!!!

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:40 AM

1. The fans don't play the game. ("Maybe next year the players, fans and management should shut up and play every game like it meant something")

2. We were already IN the playoffs, so it was natural to start talking about different scenarios. I didn't see talk of WC finals, I saw speculation and discussion of who would be the best match ups, etc.

3. Teams DO have ceremonies and involve the public to participate in various things. Michael Buble's been a huge supporter of the team and it was a one shot deal. Honestly, I don't think that did a darn thing to disrupt the flow of things.

I honestly think that the grueling SCF (and previous playoff series with the Blackhawks) have taken a toll on this team, both physically and emotionally.
It's hard to fully commit and invest yourself in something only to have it disintegrate. To put everything you've got into it, but have it slip away (just think of any relationship where that happens. You learn to hold back in the process).

To come so close to "making it", but fall flat on your face despite that effort and giving it everything you've got very much can negatively impact future endeavors for awhile afterward. You don't just throw yourself back in, there's an easing in period and I think that's what we're seeing here. You need to rebuild that momentum, drive and desire.

I think it was hard for the guys to buy back into that again - yes, they were expected to, went through the motions but I don't think the drive was there or they were 100% committed like they needed to be. I don't fault them for that...I don't think it's something that comes with awareness, it's just how it is.

They've had to battle, not only on the ice but, at times, against a league that shows little support toward them. Whether it be in scheduling, discipline or whatever. I believe they're mentally spent.

But, to suggest arrogance is to blame? I see these guys call themselves plugs and display great senses of humour - mostly, laughing at themselves. Arrogant people don't do that - they rip on other people and it's not directed at themselves. I'd say they're fairly down to earth and regular guys.


People said they were coasting but I saw them exhausted and deflated at times. The motivation just wasn't there because, likely somewhere in the back of their minds they knew it could all be for nothing and that's an issue that will work itself out over time. It just was too soon to throw themselves right back in at the level you need to be at in the playoffs.


Wow, are you the official excuse writer for the Vancouver Canucks? Their play in those five games against the Kings was pathetic. Except for a few players here and there the Canucks looked like the 8th seed, barely making it in, and not even close to an elite team.

Remember the dumb and very arrogant "We don't celebrate goals much" during the season, because only the playoffs matter. Well they truly showed us how much it mattered to them. Guess they couldn't live with another short summer vacation.

AV, needs to go plain and simple. I said it way back when, that we never win a Cup with him as coach. The man is incapable to adapt, he keeps doing the same thing over and over and expects different results. like a dumbass.

But what upsets me more is that he didn't put Schneider in last year. We would have a cup already if he would've played Schneider in the games in Boston. What a loser he is.

In closing, do not try to excuse the inexcusable, makes you look like a fool, or a relative of somebody in the organization.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 09:22 AM

Wow, are you the official excuse writer for the Vancouver Canucks? Their play in those five games against the Kings was pathetic. Except for a few players here and there the Canucks looked like the 8th seed, barely making it in, and not even close to an elite team.

Remember the dumb and very arrogant "We don't celebrate goals much" during the season, because only the playoffs matter. Well they truly showed us how much it mattered to them. Guess they couldn't live with another short summer vacation.

AV, needs to go plain and simple. I said it way back when, that we never win a Cup with him as coach. The man is incapable to adapt, he keeps doing the same thing over and over and expects different results. like a dumbass.

But what upsets me more is that he didn't put Schneider in last year. We would have a cup already if he would've played Schneider in the games in Boston. What a loser he is.

In closing, do not try to excuse the inexcusable, makes you look like a fool, or a relative of somebody in the organization.


Read her post twice and couldn't find anything she wrote that excused or apologized for the Canucks team. Her post was critical and obviously dissapointed in the cruddy effort.

Did you quote the wrong person or something?

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 11:42 AM

1. The fans don't play the game. ("Maybe next year the players, fans and management should shut up and play every game like it meant something")

2. We were already IN the playoffs, so it was natural to start talking about different scenarios. I didn't see talk of WC finals, I saw speculation and discussion of who would be the best match ups, etc.

3. Teams DO have ceremonies and involve the public to participate in various things. Michael Buble's been a huge supporter of the team and it was a one shot deal. Honestly, I don't think that did a darn thing to disrupt the flow of things.

I honestly think that the grueling SCF (and previous playoff series with the Blackhawks) have taken a toll on this team, both physically and emotionally.
It's hard to fully commit and invest yourself in something only to have it disintegrate. To put everything you've got into it, but have it slip away (just think of any relationship where that happens. You learn to hold back in the process).

To come so close to "making it", but fall flat on your face despite that effort and giving it everything you've got very much can negatively impact future endeavors for awhile afterward. You don't just throw yourself back in, there's an easing in period and I think that's what we're seeing here. You need to rebuild that momentum, drive and desire.

I think it was hard for the guys to buy back into that again - yes, they were expected to, went through the motions but I don't think the drive was there or they were 100% committed like they needed to be. I don't fault them for that...I don't think it's something that comes with awareness, it's just how it is.

They've had to battle, not only on the ice but, at times, against a league that shows little support toward them. Whether it be in scheduling, discipline or whatever. I believe they're mentally spent.

But, to suggest arrogance is to blame? I see these guys call themselves plugs and display great senses of humour - mostly, laughing at themselves. Arrogant people don't do that - they rip on other people and it's not directed at themselves. I'd say they're fairly down to earth and regular guys.


People said they were coasting but I saw them exhausted and deflated at times. The motivation just wasn't there because, likely somewhere in the back of their minds they knew it could all be for nothing and that's an issue that will work itself out over time. It just was too soon to throw themselves right back in at the level you need to be at in the playoffs.


Hahaha. Sounds like a bunch of excuses.

Tired? Exhausted? Were the Penguins or Hawks exhausted after they made the 'gruelling and agonizing' trip to the cup finals and failed? Only to come back next year and win it all?

These are professional athletes, not geriatrics who need 2 years rest after playing.

Like I said; The players drank the most kool-aid. The whole season was a laughing matter. Only 2 games mattered - Detroit and Boston. How come the team played so well then? Defensive chemistry. Rolling line after line with each one contributing.

The whole organization bought the hype and, yes ONE practice does matter. Buble can shove it. It's another perfect display of the team not taking the regular season seriously. It's hype. It's press. It's news. It is NOT hockey.




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