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#1 NuckZin2011

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:43 PM

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With all the attention being paid to 'head shots' and concussions (had on myself from a high school rugby game, no fun at all), its got me thinking that Don Cherry might just have a point when it comes to the equipment these guys wear today. They are literally suits of armour compared with what they used in the 70's, 80's & even 90's. A couple years back I was fortunate enough to got the opportunity to meet a few Canucks following a game & the one thing that has stuck with me is how slight these guys are. Willie Mitchell in particular was, while well over 6' tall, was very slight ( and truly one of the 'good' guys). I was taken aback by this especially considering I had just watched him on the ice no more than an hour earlier and he looked like a monster out there, as he did in this past series. Then you see their equipment and you know why, the shoulder/elbow pads these days don't ever remotely resemble anything I wore growing us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these guys that say "Back in my day....(blah, blah,blah)" but I can certainly see where these guys get an extra bit of courage. If you knew you could throw an elbow or a shoulder into a guy and know that there would be little to no chance of injuring yourself, you'd be a little braver too. I completely understand the game has evolved (bigger, faster, stronger) but I think this is an area that the league can at. The players don't seem to have respect for each other or for the punishments being handed down, but they might wake up a bit if they have potential physical consequences on themselves.

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Edited by NuckZin2011, 26 April 2012 - 04:17 PM.

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#2 NuckZin2011

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:45 PM

Oops, should have been 'starting' not 'staring'...post concussion syndrome. :picard:
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:46 PM

Oops, should have been 'starting' not 'staring'...post concussion syndrome. :picard:


lol then edit it :P
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:47 PM

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I remember seeing that Coach's Corner when Don brought out both types of padding. The new stuff is unforgiving and does allow the one throwing the hit to do so with little worry of personal injury.

It most certainly inflicts greater injuries these days.

As much as Don Cherry annoys me sometimes, he was spot on with the statements made concerning protection.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:49 PM

Love him or hate him, Grapes is almost always right.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:53 PM

can you edit topics?
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:56 PM

lol then edit it :P

I don't think you can edit titles...
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:59 PM

so when exactly is Don Cherry going to leave HNIC?
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:00 PM

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Love him or hate him, Grapes is almost always right.


60% of the time, he's right EVERY time.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:03 PM

My football shoulder pads are no smaller than my hockey ones. My helmet however.....
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:05 PM

I remember the year Cooper dropped the defenders and everyone on our team got them. like 1988...went from padding to hard plastic/like football pads and immediately we were destroying and knocking people out.
combined with the fact that the average player is getting much bigger and stronger its no surprise that everyone is getting concussed these days.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:06 PM

Another point Grapes makes is "accountability". Basically, back in the day, if you hit a star or ran anybody, you knew that someone on the ice was going to beat your ass. Guys definately take liberties these days because they won't be held accountable on the ice. Would Keith have laid that elbow on Danny if he knew somebody was going to pound on his face?... Nope. It happens over and over, stars get run and nobody beats the crap out of the offender, just a fine and suspension.. Ouch, hit 'em where it hurts: in the wallet?! These guys are loaded, fines and suspensions don't work.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:08 PM

The easy fix would be to reduce the size of shoulder pads and elbow pads.

Better to have an injured shoulder than give someone a concussion for the rest of their career.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:12 PM

There dealing with it right! I don't believe Torres hit should of been the big example but it is deff going to hit home with players when a super star is sitting out on a 10 game suspension and his team is sitting in 9th place with 10 games remaining on the season, honestly it's going to be effective shanny is only in year 1? Maybe 2 give it time
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:16 PM

so when exactly is Don Cherry going to leave HNIC?


If Don Cherry ever leaves HNIC, he'd immediately get signed by TSN. It only took TSN a very short amount of time to swoop in and grab the HNIC anthem, I doubt they'd even hesitate or think twice about signing him.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

60% of the time, he's right EVERY time.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:20 PM

Another point Grapes makes is "accountability". Basically, back in the day, if you hit a star or ran anybody, you knew that someone on the ice was going to beat your ass. Guys definately take liberties these days because they won't be held accountable on the ice. Would Keith have laid that elbow on Danny if he knew somebody was going to pound on his face?... Nope. It happens over and over, stars get run and nobody beats the crap out of the offender, just a fine and suspension.. Ouch, hit 'em where it hurts: in the wallet?! These guys are loaded, fines and suspensions don't work.


The limit of $2,500 is the real kicker. Shea Weber makes something like $90,000 a game. We just took from his snack and hookers fund!
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:24 PM

Don Cherry is the man. He knows hockey like no other. He's almost always right and he doesn't just read the G rated script that CBC hands to him.

Soon nearly every hit where a player gets up slowly is going to be over evaluated. That's not hockey. The game is at such high impact these players don't have time to play nicely, they're crashing and banging. That's how it is.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

I don't think you can edit titles...


can you edit topics?


You can edit everything... you guys old geezers or something?
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

I don't think you can edit titles...

Yes you can.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:36 PM

I seem to recall someone saying the equipment manufacturers along with the league will be dealing with this issue next year or in the near future. Right now the outer shells of the shoulder and elbow pads are made of a hard plastic material. I've heard that soft padding will be added to the outsides of the pads to help cushion the blow for those being hit by a body check.

I believe it was Cherry that said the equipment manufacturers should add these paddings to the outsides of these hard outer shells a few years ago on HNIC.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:37 PM

I've always paid attention to Grapes and agreed with what he's had to say, he's one of the few who both understand the game and have the stones to tell it like it is and not care what anyone else thinks. On icing, on equipment, on so many other things he's right, and usually he's the only one talking about this stuff when everyone else is just debating how long a suspension Player X should get.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:53 PM

The NHL needs to go back to the old shed wood lace up shoulder pads with little protection, just enough that you don't feel every bump and bruise but if you were going to lay someone out, you would feel it as well, it will make them think twice about going to lay someone out.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:54 PM

Another point Grapes makes is "accountability". Basically, back in the day, if you hit a star or ran anybody, you knew that someone on the ice was going to beat your ass. Guys definately take liberties these days because they won't be held accountable on the ice. Would Keith have laid that elbow on Danny if he knew somebody was going to pound on his face?... Nope. It happens over and over, stars get run and nobody beats the crap out of the offender, just a fine and suspension.. Ouch, hit 'em where it hurts: in the wallet?! These guys are loaded, fines and suspensions don't work.


Actually you hit em on the power play.

There's also nothing wrong with hitting a star player if its a clean hit and I hate when play stops and fights start just because a star player got hit cleanly. Last time I checked, they play the game too.
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 11:55 PM

I've always paid attention to Grapes and agreed with what he's had to say, he's one of the few who both understand the game and have the stones to tell it like it is and not care what anyone else thinks. On icing, on equipment, on so many other things he's right, and usually he's the only one talking about this stuff when everyone else is just debating how long a suspension Player X should get.


What about on Europeans, French-Canadians, and putting military garbage in a hockey program? He knows some about the game, granted, but the man is an ignorant, war-mongering racist.

Edit: Add sexist to that as well.

Edited by RGC, 24 April 2012 - 11:56 PM.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:51 AM

Another point Grapes makes is "accountability". Basically, back in the day, if you hit a star or ran anybody, you knew that someone on the ice was going to beat your ass. Guys definately take liberties these days because they won't be held accountable on the ice. Would Keith have laid that elbow on Danny if he knew somebody was going to pound on his face?... Nope. It happens over and over, stars get run and nobody beats the crap out of the offender, just a fine and suspension.. Ouch, hit 'em where it hurts: in the wallet?! These guys are loaded, fines and suspensions don't work.

That's not a good deterent, it only works on the little guys, who does any team have to deter a guy like Chara? What are you suggesting that NHL teams hire on MMA fighters to deal with a guy like Chara.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:50 AM

Don Cheery isn't polite in his criticisms but he's usually right on a lot of things despite how reticent we are to admit it.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:04 AM

I think the extra armor and padding is a great thing. The method of how they're being used is up to the players. No matter how you look at it, these armor are there to protect the players first. If they're being used as weapons, then you might as well make the argument that hockey sticks are too dangerous and should be made of different material.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:12 AM

They are definitely wearing weapons. The reasoning is that they reduce upper-body injuries (like separated shoulders), which is true, but right now there are a lot of head-shots... arm/torso injuries are better than concussions.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:40 AM

I've always loved Don! He's it's so much fun watching him rant <3333
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