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#1 jyip

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:37 AM

I like our team mostly the way it is with a couple of tweets. But we need to bring guys in to help motivate our core to excel. Ok, here's what I would do to win the cup next year WITHOUT blowing up the team:

1) Kesler is injured (and may or may not ever get back to his beast self) so let's not put too much weight on his shoulders (pun intended). We need to move him to the wing (he's played there before and will be fine). Get him a center and have the center distribute the puck to Kelser & Booth. Give them a season to gel. Cycle in Kassian, Lapierre, Haggins, Hansen into the mix (on our top 2 lines) and experiement a bit. Who know00s ... we might be surprised.

2) Keep Burrows with the Sedins as a co #1 line. But we need to lessen the load/expectations on this line. Since most teams have found a way to neutralize the Sedins on 5 on 5 ... we need to pretty much have 2 #1 lines going. Refer to point #1 above. This line's main weakness is size. All 3 are over 6' and under 200lbs. When the other teams "lean" on them ... their effectiveness suffers. Weight gain program this summer is probably a good idea. Kassian on here when the "leaning" becomes excessive will probably help too.

3) Keep both Luongo & Schneider. They work well together and are in good terms. But do not designate a #1 goalie. We have lots of cap space now and the cap ceiling is going up next year. There's enough room for Schneider on a 2-3 year deal worth $3 million (? I hope). We could go heavy on bonuses for CS depending on his starts, wins, playoff success .... It depends on how much Schneider values winning, I think. Give each of them 40 odd games next year and pick the "hot" goalie going into the playoffs. It worked for a couple of years for Moog and Fuhr ... it should work for Lu & CS. This will buy us a couple of years of co-existence before we really want to or need to move one of them. Of course long term, I'll put my money on Schneider.

4) Need more size on D to block out/tie up players in front of our goal. We do that well already, but that's the one area where we could improve ... at least compared to LA. So ... more size, perhaps put a few of our D on weight gain plan or get a few more 6'3" 220+ D's for the playoff run next year.

5) 3rd line checking line. Pahlsson, Raymond, (Hansen, Lapierre, Higgins ...). Let's not dump on Raymond ... (he may never recover fully from his injury and may never get back to the 25+ goal scorer), but he still has tons of speed and is good defensively (except for that Kopitar one). Let's help redefine Raymond and give him a chance to succeed. He can be a very very effective shut down guy on the wing with Pahlsson. Raymond & Pahlsson can be as good as Dave Hunter & Pat Hughes.

Ok ... done.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:41 AM

i think we should trade for weber and nash and sign suter
do this and we win the cup
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:44 AM

3) Keep both Luongo & Schneider.  They work well together and are in good terms.  But do not designate a #1 goalie. We have lots of cap space now and the cap ceiling is going up next year.  There's enough room for Schneider on a 2-3 year deal worth $3 million (? I hope). 

You don't have an understanding of salaries and the cap system if you are suggesting that.  One of the two has to go.  And no one pays a backup goalie $3M a year - nor would any team pay two goalies to be the #1.  Financially that makes no sense.  Schneider is in for a big raise.  You either trade Luongo and pay Schneider, OR you trade Schneider and keep Luongo.  I think the latter is more realistic as I don't see anyone taking that 10 year contract off your hands.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:47 AM

You either trade Luongo and pay Schneider, OR you trade Schneider and keep Luongo.


There is a third possibility.

Schneider could accept the Canucks' qualifying offer and play one more year at 10% more than he made this year, which (I believe) will make him UFA at the end of next season.

It would depend on what kind of advice he's getting from his agent.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

i think we should trade for weber and nash and sign suter
do this and we win the cup


i think suter's gonna sign with detroit

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:58 AM

i think we should trade for weber and nash and sign suter
do this and we win the cup


I can see by your username and sig.. you must have one hell of a boner for Weber

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:59 AM

You don't have an understanding of salaries and the cap system if you are suggesting that. One of the two has to go. And no one pays a backup goalie $3M a year - nor would any team pay two goalies to be the #1. Financially that makes no sense. Schneider is in for a big raise. You either trade Luongo and pay Schneider, OR you trade Schneider and keep Luongo. I think the latter is more realistic as I don't see anyone taking that 10 year contract off your hands.



it is well acceptable.
as long as this tandem work great next season, we will be fine on goalie. Liu cap hit $5.33 CS cap (around 2.5-3 mil for 2-3 year term)
The biggest problem right now, as OP indicated, is forward and defence. Specifically, Kesler's line.
Booth and Kesler need a very very good playmaker to make them better. I.e. both 60+ points.
Also, if magic happens, GM can dump Ballard 4.2 mil cap and sign Suter 5+ mil, our defence will be solid like hell.

last, get rid of AV.... hahaah

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:03 AM

That is pretty much what was tried this season aside from Kes being taken off centre and I don't understand the logic behind that. Sorry I don't really see any difference other then some smoke and mirrors. As far as the weight gain goes? Not everyone can do this. The goalie tandem would be great but the time for that was this season, we have 2 number one goalies. It only makes sense to trade one of these assets for a key piece my estimation a number one D as Edler and Hammy are proving that they are not ready for this roll

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:04 AM

I can see by your username and sig.. you must have one hell of a boner for Weber


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

Get a legitimate star with size and skill in a deal that sends Luongo.
Clear Ballard's contract for top-4 right side d-man, or win the sweepstakes for Justin Schultz somehow.
Re-sign Pahlsson.

I think Jensen has a good shot at making the team next year (as hinted by MG and we know AV loves that kid).

Sedin - Sedin - Jensen
Booth - Kesler - *star
Higgins - Pahlsson - Burrows
Hansen - Lappy - Kassian

Weise, Ebbett, Raymond, Bitz, Schroeder, Sweatt, Duco, Pinizzotto, Volpatti --> fight it out for roster spot.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - *top-4 Dman
Gragnani - Tanev

Connauton, Schultz, Salo, Sauve, Rome are all possibilities.

Schneider - Lack

We're good to content again next year.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

I don't think the Canucks will be able to keep both goalies. Not sure who they should move, it depends on what they can get. I think it is safe to say though that the Canucks need a right winger and another shut down defenseman. I think they have a good foundation and with a few tweeks they could bring the Cup home to Canada.

Iginla would be a good asset to try and get, but I think his cap hit is too much and they would have to clear out space. Too bad he isn't a free agent.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:24 AM

I like our team mostly the way it is with a couple of tweets. But we need to bring guys in to help motivate our core to excel. Ok, here's what I would do to win the cup next year WITHOUT blowing up the team:

1) Kesler is injured (and may or may not ever get back to his beast self) so let's not put too much weight on his shoulders (pun intended). We need to move him to the wing (he's played there before and will be fine). Get him a center and have the center distribute the puck to Kelser & Booth. Give them a season to gel. Cycle in Kassian, Lapierre, Haggins, Hansen into the mix (on our top 2 lines) and experiement a bit. Who know00s ... we might be surprised.

2) Keep Burrows with the Sedins as a co #1 line. But we need to lessen the load/expectations on this line. Since most teams have found a way to neutralize the Sedins on 5 on 5 ... we need to pretty much have 2 #1 lines going. Refer to point #1 above. This line's main weakness is size. All 3 are over 6' and under 200lbs. When the other teams "lean" on them ... their effectiveness suffers. Weight gain program this summer is probably a good idea. Kassian on here when the "leaning" becomes excessive will probably help too.

3) Keep both Luongo & Schneider. They work well together and are in good terms. But do not designate a #1 goalie. We have lots of cap space now and the cap ceiling is going up next year. There's enough room for Schneider on a 2-3 year deal worth $3 million (? I hope). We could go heavy on bonuses for CS depending on his starts, wins, playoff success .... It depends on how much Schneider values winning, I think. Give each of them 40 odd games next year and pick the "hot" goalie going into the playoffs. It worked for a couple of years for Moog and Fuhr ... it should work for Lu & CS. This will buy us a couple of years of co-existence before we really want to or need to move one of them. Of course long term, I'll put my money on Schneider.

4) Need more size on D to block out/tie up players in front of our goal. We do that well already, but that's the one area where we could improve ... at least compared to LA. So ... more size, perhaps put a few of our D on weight gain plan or get a few more 6'3" 220+ D's for the playoff run next year.

5) 3rd line checking line. Pahlsson, Raymond, (Hansen, Lapierre, Higgins ...). Let's not dump on Raymond ... (he may never recover fully from his injury and may never get back to the 25+ goal scorer), but he still has tons of speed and is good defensively (except for that Kopitar one). Let's help redefine Raymond and give him a chance to succeed. He can be a very very effective shut down guy on the wing with Pahlsson. Raymond & Pahlsson can be as good as Dave Hunter & Pat Hughes.

Ok ... done.


So all it takes is a couple of Tweets and we win the Cup? Well, I do not have a Twitter account at the moment, but excuse me while I rectify this Cup drought by joining the Twitterverse.

Edited by Odjickwillkillyou, 25 April 2012 - 03:15 PM.



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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:29 AM

it is well acceptable.
as long as this tandem work great next season, we will be fine on goalie. Liu cap hit $5.33 CS cap (around 2.5-3 mil for 2-3 year term


You are thinking like a fan and not considering the business of this. Scheider wants to be paid - you would too. His value is sky high right now. He should be able to get $3.5-$4M per year for 3-4 years. He also wants to play the majority of the games - not sit and wait for Luongo to get pulled. In addition Luongo is tired of being the scapegoat for every mini-dip the team takes during the season or playoffs. He's tired of looking over his shoulder knowing that Schneider is going to come in if Luongo just breathes in the wrong direction. Bottom line - you won't have both goalies next year - you're living in a fantasy world if you keep thinking CS will accept less just so there can be harmony. Both guys needs to be #1 in whatever team they play for.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

You don't have an understanding of salaries and the cap system if you are suggesting that. One of the two has to go. And no one pays a backup goalie $3M a year - nor would any team pay two goalies to be the #1. Financially that makes no sense. Schneider is in for a big raise. You either trade Luongo and pay Schneider, OR you trade Schneider and keep Luongo. I think the latter is more realistic as I don't see anyone taking that 10 year contract off your hands.

if schneider really wanted to stay he could sign 1 more year with the same cap but he wont, thats if lu stays as well

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

I say CS takes the discount and Lui dropps a briefcase in a locker at the bus station every July for the next 12 years.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:02 PM

i think we should trade for weber and nash and sign suter
do this and we win the cup


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:03 PM

Daniel - Henrik - Parise
Booth - Kesler - Whitney
Burrows - Schroeder - Connolly
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen

Suter - Edler
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Tanev - Connauton

Schneider
Lack

Cap goes up to $70 million.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

There's no way we keep both Schneids and Luongo even if it works out with the salary cap. Why? Because Schneider is 26 years old and will be 27 next year and is very close to his prime. He will definitely be wanting to start at least 40+ games. He's shown it and he's capable of being a #1. Luongo on the other hand will not opt to play as a back up. His play is starting to diminish and he has to make the most out of his time being a solid #1 before he's really old and unable to put up good numbers.

If we do sign Schneider and match qualifying offers considering he's a RFA, AND is told he will be getting less than 40 starts, I can seriously see him being impatient and kindly ask for a trade before the season starts.

The only scenario where I can see both Luongo and Schneider staying is if the management team splits 82 games evenly for Schneider and Luongo (41 each). I can see Schneider being okay with that but as for Luongo I'm not entirely sold on it.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:38 PM

Getting Raymond a different environment will help both sides, he is done in Vancouver.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:49 PM

Daniel - Henrik - Parise
Booth - Kesler - Whitney
Burrows - Schroeder - Connolly
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen

Suter - Edler
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Tanev - Connauton

Schneider
Lack

Cap goes up to $70 million.


This isn't Be a GM on NHL 12 man. Not realistic given other team's needs and cap flexibilities.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:56 PM

i think we should trade for weber and nash and sign suter
do this and we win the cup


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:04 PM

There's no way we keep both Schneids and Luongo even if it works out with the salary cap. Why? Because Schneider is 26 years old and will be 27 next year and is very close to his prime. He will definitely be wanting to start at least 40+ games. He's shown it and he's capable of being a #1. Luongo on the other hand will not opt to play as a back up. His play is starting to diminish and he has to make the most out of his time being a solid #1 before he's really old and unable to put up good numbers.

If we do sign Schneider and match qualifying offers considering he's a RFA, AND is told he will be getting less than 40 starts, I can seriously see him being impatient and kindly ask for a trade before the season starts.

The only scenario where I can see both Luongo and Schneider staying is if the management team splits 82 games evenly for Schneider and Luongo (41 each). I can see Schneider being okay with that but as for Luongo I'm not entirely sold on it.


It'll work only if the regular season games are split evenly and the hot goalie gets the games in the playoffs. I think they both can accept that the better goalie should play in the playoffs. $3m for 3years would be the fair market value for CS who isn't a starter ... yet. $3m gets him into corey price range. And the Canucks have better odds at winning than Montreal ... and at least 25 other teams.There's only a small window (2 years or so) where this situation (splitting duties) will work. CS hasn't yet proven his abilities over 80 games ...In 2 years time, CS will want the full load as the next contract expires and he'll get the big bucks then with whichever team as a UFA.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:14 PM

If prez trophies are the goal, don't change a thing. If we want to aim for the cup, then we have to blow this thing up. A year ago everyone was on the Sedins for not showing up ... Now it's the whole team. This playoff was a disgrace! Where's the heart? Where's the character? Sorry, but the fact that this team looks at Burrows as a "character" guy speaks volumes about the rest of the team. When the chips are down we look to who? Burr? We are doomed. That's why I say blow it up ... A little less Sweden and a lot more Saskatoon.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:46 PM

If prez trophies are the goal, don't change a thing. If we want to aim for the cup, then we have to blow this thing up. A year ago everyone was on the Sedins for not showing up ... Now it's the whole team. This playoff was a disgrace! Where's the heart? Where's the character? Sorry, but the fact that this team looks at Burrows as a "character" guy speaks volumes about the rest of the team. When the chips are down we look to who? Burr? We are doomed. That's why I say blow it up ... A little less Sweden and a lot more Saskatoon.


Very tempting ... but how long till the next deep run if we blow it up? 3 or 4 years I would say and it would depend very much for what we get in return for trading some or all of our core guys. We don't have a Claude Giroux to make room for who's waiting in the wings.Who's going to want to trade for player(s) still licking their wounds (Kesler, Malhotra, Raymond)? All three may never ever get back to their former selves, but they can still be very effective if given the right roles.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:26 PM

No way CS signs for 2-3 mill, unless it's a one-year deal. And then he's gone.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:59 PM

I pretty much disagree with everything the OP wrote.

1) Kesler is a centre.  While he could be moved to the wing, it doesn't make much sense to do so.  At least at their current levels, none of the players you mentioned to slot into the 2nd line are really 2nd line players.  

2) Burrows is truly a #2 line player.  He is slotted with the Sedins because of all the players we have, he typically works best with them.  What we need is a bonifide, big, strong 1st line winger to play with the Sedins, then Burrows can move down.  This will likely have the added effect of lessening Burrows' contract expecations when his contract is up a year later.  *Most* teams have not figured out how to beat the Sedins - though less reliance on them for our scoring would be nice.

3) Keeping both goalies is unrealistic, illogical, and will not happen.

4) Of course we can use more size on the blueline.  Who can't?  We could probably use a bit more skill too.

5) Raymond will not stick around unless he resorts to being paid half of what he was this year.  He's ok defensively, but doesn't at all have the strength we're looking for... especially not on our lower 2 lines.  IMO, there are far better options out there for such a position.

Here's what we REALLY need to do:
1) As mentioned, get a beast to play on the top line.  Think of a guy like Doan or Hartnell.  This moves Burrows down to the 2nd line.  Hopefully Booth regains form and Kesler fully recovers and becomes beastlike again.
2) Sign a big name defenseman.  Someone like Webber would be great, but Suter, Wideman,Stuart or Kuba would help a lot too.  
3) Ship out Luongo, bring up Lack if he's ready.  If not, sign one of the many decent UFA's available for under 1m.
4) Get 1-2 players with size and grit on the 4th line and perhaps 3rd line if Malhotra doesn't get back to form.  Players like Tootoo or Asham.  

Here's a sample of the kind of team we could most certainly have without too much difficulty:

Sedin Sedin Doan
Booth Kesler Burrows
Higgins Lapierre Hansen
Asham Malhotra Tootoo

Wideman/Stuart Edler
Hamhuis Bieksa
Salo Tanev

Schneider
Lack

Ok.  Done.

Edited by kloubek, 25 April 2012 - 03:21 PM.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

I pretty much disagree with everything the OP wrote.

1) Kesler is a centre. While he could be moved to the wing, it doesn't make much sense to do so. At least at their current levels, none of the players you mentioned to slot into the 2nd line are really 2nd line players.

2) Burrows is truly a #2 line player. He is slotted with the Sedins because of all the players we have, he typically works best with them. What we need is a bonifide, big, strong 1st line winger to play with the Sedins, then Burrows can move down. This will likely have the added effect of lessening Burrows' contract expecations when his contract is up a year later. *Most* teams have not figured out how to beat the Sedins - though less reliance on them for our scoring would be nice.

3) Keeping both goalies is unrealistic, illogical, and will not happen.

4) Of course we can use more size on the blueline. Who can't? We could probably use a bit more skill too.

5) Raymond will not stick around unless he resorts to being paid half of what he was this year. He's ok defensively, but doesn't at all have the strength we're looking for... especially not on our lower 2 lines. IMO, there are far better options out there for such a position.

Here's what we REALLY need to do:
1) As mentioned, get a beast to play on the top line. Think of a guy like Doan or Hartnell. This moves Burrows down to the 2nd line. Hopefully Booth regains form and Kesler fully recovers and becomes beastlike again.
2) Sign a big name defenseman. Someone like Webber would be great, but Suter, Wideman,Stuart or Kuba would help a lot too.
3) Ship out Luongo, bring up Lack if he's ready. If not, sign one of the many decent UFA's available for under 1m.
4) Get 1-2 players with size and grit on the 4th line and perhaps 3rd line if Malhotra doesn't get back to form. Players like Tootoo or Asham.

Here's a sample of the kind of team we could most certainly have without too much difficulty:

Sedin Sedin Doan
Booth Kesler Burrows
Higgins Lapierre Hansen
Asham Malhotra Tootoo

Wideman/Stuart Edler
Hamhuis Bieksa
Salo Tanev

Schneider
Lack

Ok. Done.


Interesting ... but not sure if we can get doan at under $5m. It'll likely be more. Wideman ... at least $4m, Asham & Tootoo who knows. But they are desireable players on almost every team in NHL as well and won't come cheap, they'll be at least $1.5-2m each. Torres seems like such a good deal now at $1.75m.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:28 PM

If prez trophies are the goal, don't change a thing. If we want to aim for the cup, then we have to blow this thing up. A year ago everyone was on the Sedins for not showing up ... Now it's the whole team. This playoff was a disgrace! Where's the heart? Where's the character? Sorry, but the fact that this team looks at Burrows as a "character" guy speaks volumes about the rest of the team. When the chips are down we look to who? Burr? We are doomed. That's why I say blow it up ... A little less Sweden and a lot more Saskatoon.


Hey! I'm from Saskatoon :bigblush:
Last season was a stepping stone to where we want to go.

#embracethehate

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:33 PM

About No,3, I think we need to consider the future of Schneider, and the position of Luongo. Schneider wants to play at least 30 games, starting next season(Still a late start for Schneider, who is currently 27 years old.), and Luongo wants to be traded to a different team.

Vancouver needs a different agenda.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:09 AM

So all it takes is a couple of Tweets and we win the Cup? Well, I do not have a Twitter account at the moment, but excuse me while I rectify this Cup drought by joining the Twitterverse.


ahmm ... Tweet and twitter are 2 different things. Tweeting is like tinkering around under the hood of your car ... maybe adjust the clutch engagement point, adjusting the throttle cable, maybe changing the timing a bit. Twitter or twitting on the otherhand ... is where we go to waste time saying stuff online that nobody cares about. If twitter is all it takes ... I think Canucks would've won the damn thing by now. God forbid ... I think every freakin canucks player has at least 1 twitter account!




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