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[Report] Luongo Requests A Trade During Exit Meeting With Gillis


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:23 AM

Apparently he wants to go to Toronto the most, they would have to send us a lousy contract so they would probs send us komisarek with a 1st and second

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:24 AM

It really all started to fall apart when Luongo became Captain... what a stupid move
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:26 AM

Predictible.

You can't start another goalie (aka his backup) for the last 3 games of the playoffs and expect him to be ok with that.

The second it happened, he must have wanted out. AND not because of him, because of the coach starting the other guy.

But I think it is a good thing for him anyways - he needs a change, and I think wherever he will go he will succeed.

And I think it is a good thing for the canucks too. they need to change, and have a great goalie in Schneider. They obviously knew they would be sending him that message, so they cannot be surprised at all either.

It is a win-win, so just chill !
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:30 AM

This article might help understanding.

The Province:

Canucks' Luongo a Toronto Maple Leaf. Seriously
Toronto has the means, and Lu has the motivation in goalie guru Francois Allaire
BY JASON BOTCHFORD, THE PROVINCE APRIL 26, 2012 7:58 AM


I've been listening to Botchford on the TEAM 1040 morning show today, and he has multiple times echoed that the main reason Roberto is asking for a trade is likely his desire to be the starter, even if it means playing for Toronto. He does not want somebody to challenge him for the starting position.

As I've stated time and time again, Roberto has pushed himself out of this city. This is not about the team. This is about him. I can understand why he has done this, but he is essentially walking away from the team so that he may play more games.

*Mike Gillis is on the TEAM 1040 now. Tune in if you'd like.

Edited by WeatherWise, 26 April 2012 - 09:31 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:30 AM

still on the fence with all this drama


but the plot has thickened!!
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:30 AM

I think everyone here is jumping the gun a little bit. This doesn't seem to be a really reliable report that Luongo asked for a trade, it's only a rumor. In a situation as touchy as this, I'd wait to hear it from Lu or MG themselves before jumping on it too much.

Even if Lu does get traded now, it doesn't mean he asked for a trade, just that he was willing to waive his no-trade clause if MG asks him to, which he has already statedthat he is.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:30 AM

If Luongo is traded it will be the second coming of the goalie graveyard. I hope Luongo does not leave the team. Cory is a good goaltender but he is no Luongo.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:30 AM

for a team that is looking to just make the playoffs, he is perfect. He can take a team that misses and send them into the post-season. and he CAN be the difference maker in the playoffs

hello TO!

Edited by canucksnihilist, 26 April 2012 - 09:31 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:32 AM

People would still love Lu if we had Dany Sabourin as our back-up.

I like Lu a lot but I like Schneider more. They are like cars. Schneider is the newer generation model. Schneider is new, sleek, and in perfect running condition. Lu has been reliable and is still great but he could start having mechanical problems from wear and tear soon, he doesn't have the new car smell anymore, and his maintenance costs are higher. There is of course the possibility that Schneider wasn't build as well as Lu and ends up being much less reliable.

If it came down to money you would get more for Schneider as he is a newer with lower mileage, so that should also be considered. Lu is a few mechanical problems away from being to expensive to drive and could end up in the scrap yard a few years down the road.

Edited by canucklehead44, 26 April 2012 - 09:35 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:33 AM

Gillis deflected the question, opting to say that Roberto and he had agreed to talk over the phone in a few days and that he usually does not answer questions regarding personal meetings. He questioned why the information we've seen today is out in the media; this perhaps could be interpreted as him asking how the information surfaced in the media.

As expected, his answers were calculated and expected.

Edited by WeatherWise, 26 April 2012 - 09:35 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:34 AM

Lou opened the door for Schneider this year. After having an amazing season in 2010-11 under the Melanson system he reverted to his old self in playoffs and he lost his consistancy. This year again, he refused to follow that Melanson system that made him so successful the year before. Schneider blossomed under Melanson and as a result, Lou has been displaced,. It was a poor strategy on Lous part and now he is paying the price. His experience did not play into the equation.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:34 AM

This is nothing but a farce that we drive goalies out of town and i get sick of it.What really happens is the Canucks goalies show glimpses of being very good and then turn they are horribly inconsistent and play like crap when we need them and let everybody down.What really drives goalies out of Vancouver is themselves and only fools don't realize this.Schneider won't have a problem delivering in Vancouver because first of all he's very gifted goalie who has no weaknesses, he is also strong minded and isn't a flake mentally like Luongo. Schneider is better then Luongo at every facet of the goaltending game, younger, cheaper and much stronger mentally. The Canucks brass would be complete idiots to keep Luongo over Schneider.



First off..... if you did any sort of goalie analysis before spouting off this dribble you would realize Roberto Luongo has been a top 5 goalie in the league since he has been here. Every goalie in this league has had their share of meltdowns and saying that any player has "let everybody down " is a ignorant statement. Next time don't include everyone else in your statements.
Secondly.....Saying Schneider has no weaknesses after 68 NHL games is making some wild assumptions. I can give you a couple already.....how about puckhandling, cramping issues, and has never won a playoff series to start.
Why is it so hard for Canuck fans to appreciate the greatness that some of our players have brought this city. Luongo brought Canada a GOLD medal in 2010 and came within 1 game of a cup (all the while the players set a record for least amount of goals scored in a final).
The Canucks may be better going forward with Schneider, but lets not forget that Luongo is a proud Canadian and the best keeper this team has ever had.

Edited by hockeyville88, 26 April 2012 - 09:55 AM.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:35 AM

Luongo's $10 million dollar season was paid out last year.

Moving forward, the money commitment is 6 years @ $6,716,000 per. The last 4 years of this contract were designed such that he could retire and the cap hit comes off the books (Pre 35 year old signing).

6.7 million is modest for a top 5 elite calibre goaltender, and he is signed for term. This is the key negotiating leverage that Gillis should take advantage of. When you break it down, and the fact that the cap hit is only 5.33 Million, this "bad contract" suddenly doesn't look so bad, 40 million over 6 years of actual money to an elite goaltender.

Some comparisons:

Henrik Lundqvist cap hit: 6.875 Million
Pekka Rinne cap hit: 7.00 Million
Bryzgalov cap hit: 5.66 Million
Ryan Miller cap hit: 6.25 Million
Niklas Backstrom cap hit: 6.00 Million

And just for good measure:

Rick DiPietro cap hit: 4.50 Million.

By comparison Luongo @ 5.33 and his resume is a mind blowing bargain. Gillis will have no trouble finding a suitor willing to pay Luongo 40 million over 6 years.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:36 AM

Thanks very much all you ridiculous fans and media that brought this on.

I hope Lu goes and wins a cup with Tampa Bay or something in the next 2 - 4 years and everyone in Vancouver has to eat it.

The guy clearly isn't interested in having every ???? goal he lets in turn into a 2 day discussion anymore. He needs a city where there is basketball or football and no one gives a crap about hockey.

Lets hope Schneids is indeed the real deal.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:37 AM

I actually think Luongo would do great in Toronto. He would be praised at the start like he was when he came and saved the Canucks Franchise. If Lu carried them into the playoffs, which he would, then he would get his "Luongod" name back.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:39 AM

I'd like to personally 'thank' the as$h0l3s that ruined Luongo's career in Vancouver by treating an elite goalie like trash. Now there goes our face of the team.


True. Agree with you all the way.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:40 AM

Thanks very much all you ridiculous fans and media that brought this on.

I hope Lu goes and wins a cup with Tampa Bay or something in the next 2 - 4 years and everyone in Vancouver has to eat it.

The guy clearly isn't interested in having every ???? goal he lets in turn into a 2 day discussion anymore. He needs a city where there is basketball or football and no one gives a crap about hockey.

Lets hope Schneids is indeed the real deal.


This is not about the media or the fans.

Again, please ask yourself why Toronto is on his list of preferred destinations, or read some of the responses in this thread. He is walking away from the team because he wants to play. Toronto can promise him one thing, despite all the pressure and expectations from the "centre of the hockey universe": a guaranteed starting position and no competition in net.

Edited by WeatherWise, 26 April 2012 - 09:42 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:44 AM

for a team that is looking to just make the playoffs, he is perfect. He can take a team that misses and send them into the post-season. and he CAN be the difference maker in the playoffs

hello TO!


Don't we want to make the playoffs?
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:44 AM

This is not about the media or the fans.

Again, please ask yourself why Toronto is on his list of preferred destinations, or read some of the responses in this thread. He is walking away from the team because he wants to play. Toronto can promise him one thing, despite all the pressure and expectations from the "centre of the hockey universe": a guaranteed starting position and no competition in net.


Agreed
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:44 AM

This is not about the media or the fans.

Again, please ask yourself why Toronto is on his list of preferred destinations, or read some of the responses in this thread. He is walking away from the team because he wants to play. Toronto can promise him one thing, despite all the pressure and expectations from the "centre of the hockey universe": a guaranteed starting position and no competition in net.


Well put.

Loungo has been jeered by the crowd in years past and not demanded a trade. It's simply about ice time, and not letting him play in the play-offs.

Looking for someone to blame? Look no further then the guy who started Schneider over him in the play-offs. You don't play all season just to sit on the bench come crunch time. All this blame on the 'fans forcing him out' is complete bs.

Edited by snolan, 26 April 2012 - 09:45 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:45 AM

Luongo's $10 million dollar season was paid out last year.

Moving forward, the money commitment is 6 years @ $6,716,000 per. The last 4 years of this contract were designed such that he could retire and the cap hit comes off the books (Pre 35 year old signing).

6.7 million is modest for a top 5 elite calibre goaltender, and he is signed for term. This is the key negotiating leverage that Gillis should take advantage of. When you break it down, and the fact that the cap hit is only 5.33 Million, this "bad contract" suddenly doesn't look so bad, 40 million over 6 years of actual money to an elite goaltender.

Some comparisons:

Henrik Lundqvist cap hit: 6.875 Million
Pekka Rinne cap hit: 7.00 Million
Bryzgalov cap hit: 5.66 Million
Ryan Miller cap hit: 6.25 Million
Niklas Backstrom cap hit: 6.00 Million

And just for good measure:

Rick DiPietro cap hit: 4.50 Million.

By comparison Luongo @ 5.33 and his resume is a mind blowing bargain. Gillis will have no trouble finding a suitor willing to pay Luongo 40 million over 6 years.


Great work on breaking down the salary. Just like to add the fact that the goalies this coming UFA season are very very lacking.The only names I see over there are that might be enticing are Martin Brodeur and Josh Harding. Harding is a good goalie at best..but hes nowhere near as talented or experienced as Luongo. Brodeur is 40 and I don't think hes got many years left in contrast to Lu who probably has 4-6 years left of quality goaltending left.

As for other goalies that might be available,

Bernier or Rask will command a high return for their services because of their potential and youth. Potential is the key word, Bernier is very much unproven that he can handle the mail and Rask will probably Tim Thomas' replacement.

Brian Elliot put up some solid numbers, but it might be just a one hit wonder and a product of the system. Ken Hitchcock teams tend to make goalies look very very elite with numbers because of the teams playing style ie. Steve Mason, Marty Turco

To say Luongo is going to fetch just another contract and a low return is absurd, its simply supply in demand, Luongo provides the best blend of value, resume, age, talent and should command a decent return. Probably a 1st or a 2nd and a high calibre prospect
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:45 AM

I doubt he will be the only goalie available I expect Thomas to be moved last years Stanley cup finals goalies on the trading block this summer LOL

Luongo will be traded before Thomas's ntc is over July first!!
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:45 AM

thats to all the dipsh#it fans still living in their moms basement but know how to run an nhl team for treating the best goalie this franchise has ever had like garbage.

Lots of luck Lou
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:45 AM

Thanks very much all you ridiculous fans and media that brought this on.

I hope Lu goes and wins a cup with Tampa Bay or something in the next 2 - 4 years and everyone in Vancouver has to eat it.

The guy clearly isn't interested in having every ???? goal he lets in turn into a 2 day discussion anymore. He needs a city where there is basketball or football and no one gives a crap about hockey.

Lets hope Schneids is indeed the real deal.


The top players inteh league want to succeed in a city where how they play is recognized. Unfortunately, this can be a positive or negative recognition.

If LU wants to hide in some back-water market so he doesn't get noticed, well....

I personally don't think that is LU's motivation at all. It has nothing to do with teh fans as he has lots of strong supporters here. HIs motivation is that management has shown they have as much or more faith in Cory and he isn't interested in sharing the limelight.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:49 AM

If Luongo is traded it will be the second coming of the goalie graveyard. I hope Luongo does not leave the team. Cory is a good goaltender but he is no Luongo.


as good as he played i have questions about him playing 60+ games

Edited by hockeyville88, 26 April 2012 - 09:58 AM.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:49 AM

Be careful what you wish for Canucks fans...


If Luongo goes to the Leafs, they're probably closer to winning the cup than us. We'll never hear the end of it from Toronto fans.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:49 AM

Can't remember who told me I was full of it. I told them I'd bet them money Luongo would be traded out of Vancouver by next trade deadline. He LAUGHED at me and berated me to the point where I was ready to throw my laptop out the window, obviously not though. My laptop is worth more than his house, and if you think that's an arrogant thing to say, you are probably right.

However it's not half as arrogant as people missing the inevitable shrugs Luongo gave to the media, hiding behind terrible acting pretending to be content with the situation--- and then claiming US, the ones who read into the finer circumstances of Luongo's situation, his stats dropping, his attitude--call us the ones who unreasonably predicted the most reasonable conclusion: Luongo was and is not happy as a Vancouver Canuck.

The people missing the tel-tale signs that Luongo secretly resented Schneider, were the same ones posting here claiming 'no of course not... he doesn't want out and he isn't going to ask to be traded'.

Well guess what. He does want out. And he is asking to be traded before anyone else can ask him. So that IMO means all you brainwashed Luo lovers really had it wrong, all wrong.

Any refutation is missing the point. You were wrong, and you missed the cues given to us that lead to his decision to NOT want to be a part of the Vancouver Canucks organization. Admit it, and I will respect you.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:51 AM

Got to love the so-called "fans" that want the Canucks to lose into obscurity. What ever happened to all that "support the team no matter what" we heard all year?

I like Lu, that's what sucks the most. I like him as a person, but I want the best chance to win a cup. If that means Cory, then that is what it means. I hope Lu has the best with his new team should that come to pass, but not at the expense of ours. I hope we dominate his team and any others we come across. (Keep in mind, if GMMG gets an offer he can't refuse for Cory instead, I am perfectly fine with Lu as the starter)

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:53 AM

sadly all these fools swinging from Schneids nut sack will not realize this unitl it is too late. as good as he played i have questions about him playing 60+ games


I'm not so sure how much you can blame the fans, the media, or Cory when Roberto could arguably be the one abandoning the team because of ice-time concerns. That's a harsh way to put it, but his actions fall under the same principle.

He could have expressed the desire to continue playing for this team, and he could have had Mike Gillis debate trading Schneider. That could have been an option still had Roberto said nothing. Instead, Roberto has forced Gillis to pursue moving him, perhaps to the Toronto Maple Leafs, and the details have been leaked. Roberto wants to play for the team that will let him play, not a team that can win. He has disregarded his recent success with the team and wants to play for a management group that will allow him to dictate how often he plays.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:54 AM

If Luongo is traded it will be the second coming of the goalie graveyard. I hope Luongo does not leave the team. Cory is a good goaltender but he is no Luongo.


I disagree on both points.The situation now compared to the goalie graveyard days is entirely different. Before, we kept bringing in goalies who were either washed up or unproven. This time around, we already *have* a goalie waiting in the wings. He's semi-proven, and a complete up and comer. Two entirely difference scenarios.Second, Cory has done well to "nearly" prove himself as good or better than Luongo. Difference being that Schneider is young and will likely get better.... whereas Luongo is older and will decline or at least stay the same in the next couple of years.
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