InSoM- Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Hey guys, I just wanted to share my thoughts on the situation of 2 of our more beloved(Or formerly Beloved) Canucks. Ryan Kesler - The only explanation for his poor performance this year is the shoulder injury, we've seen it time and time again. It takes one season of nearly full play to get back to where you should be in terms of development. It happened with Coho's Back & Bieksa's Leg injury, the season after they came back - they turned back into the players we expect them to be. Mason Raymond - I believe he is going through the same thing as Kesler; still recooping from his back injury. Though I think this could turn out to be a huge advantage for the Canucks long term. You can say what you want about his play this year; we all know he hasn't been what any of us had hoped for. As an RFA, and after having a very poor season; Personally I'm expecting Gillis to bring him back for 2-3 seasons at a VERY cheap price - I'm also expecting him to be able to pot 20+ goals next season. If things go as well as they COULD - This could be another steal of a signing in a season or two ala Burrows' current deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Ryan Kesler - KEEP HIM!!!!! Mason Raymond - TRADE HIM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I wouldnt mind trading Kesler because of the diving but I do have his jersey and I don't wanna shell out $$$ for another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombastik der Teutone Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 keep kes...no question i like raymond...but he has to go keep guys like ebbet and weise though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keslerian one Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Raymond is an RFA - so we have to qualify him or not qualify him, which would then make him a UFA. At that point, Raymond and Gillis can negotiate for a LOWER cap hit contract. This is unlikely. If Gillis wants to keep him, or if he fears other GMs extending offer sheets to Raymond, then MG has to qualify him - for a player getting paid more than $1 million, the qualifying offer has to be at least 100%. So your idea of signing Raymond for CHEAP is unlikely to happen unless CBA changes dramatically. We have to pay Raymond at least the same amount of money we are paying him now. At 2.5M, he's likely gone. Raymond is still young, but can't see Raymond taking another step in his development that will make him a top 6 forward. If he's not playing a top 6 forward role with the Canucks, he really is a misfit. Hope this clarifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJG187 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 kessler raymond luongo for lupul schenn kessel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils999 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Wouldn't mind trading Kesler we could get a good return for him and with ntc that kicks in next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zduck14 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I really think the determining factor in keeping Raymond is his contract. If he and the Canucks can come to an agreement on a lower salary, he stays. If not, he's gone. Simple as that. As for Kesler, I don't understand, at all, why people want to trade the guy. He is a year removed from winning the Selke Trophy, had back to back 70+ point seasons and has 5 straight 20+ goal seasons. He plays with as much or more heart than anyone else on the team and simply needs a better winger on the right side. Someone like Ray Whitney setting up both Kesler and Booth would bring back the 70 point Kesler and likely the 30 goal Booth. It's about fixing the problem, not getting rid of it in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappykass Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Keep Kesler no matter what. Future Captain. Raymond, needs a fresh start to really focus on who he is and what he needs to do to improve. I can still see Ottawa wanting him, or Dallas, hell even Winnipeg. Teams that have good foundations but could always use a little help. I still think a Predators Raymond jersey would look sick though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crime911 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Kesler and trade doesn't make sense. raymond will be traded. no doubt about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappykass Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Wouldn't mind trading Kesler we could get a good return for him and with ntc that kicks in next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Keep Kesler no matter what. Future Captain. Raymond, needs a fresh start to really focus on who he is and what he needs to do to improve. I can still see Ottawa wanting him, or Dallas, hell even Winnipeg. Teams that have good foundations but could always use a little help. I still think a Predators Raymond jersey would look sick though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Unless we're looking for a change with Kesler by trading him for Jordan Staal, I see him as a lock in our lineup next year. It was an off year, and we know he can play much closer to his totals from the previous year. Raymond - nevermind any assessment of if he's good or bad - is a player we can improve on in our top 6. We have potentially better suited players in out bottom 6 as well. I don't see him improving substantially over his career highs so he's likely to be gone. One more thing though, if we don't have a deal in place for Raymond, we'd have to give him a qualifying offer for his current salary plus 10% extra. Raymond would take that, so if we want to sign him at a lower price, we'd have to negotiate it ahead of July 1st or look to package him in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 The only time "Kesler" and "trade" should appear in a sentence is if "no" and "clause" are there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 trading Kesler would be a stupid thing to do. He is going to bounce back when he is 100% healthy and when he does, I bet he is going to be on all your untouchables list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes_4_Pres Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 As much as people don't want to admit it, the reason he wasn't as good this season was due to his hip recovery and his shoulder injury. It really is as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadweed Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Kesler was injured. Lay off him people. We know what he is capable of when healthy. As far as the 'diving' is concerned, Kes was disappointed. He probably thought that by embellishing, he can help the team and get some PP opportunities. Dude's trying to contribute in any way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Trade em both.... One is a diver and the other is needing self motivation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Kesler will not be traded. And if the new CBA allows us to keep Raymond for a lower cap hit, then keep him too. (Though he would need to first learn how to not fall down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwo Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 get rid of Raymond the guy is a total bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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