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Cory Schneider May Already Be The Best Goalie In The Nhl

D-Money

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RockNroLLa. Canucks Prospect

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1 - Dominik Hašek - 0.922 - 735 regular season games

2 - Tim Thomas - 0.921 - 378 regular season games

3 - Pekka Rinne - 0.921 - 250 regular season games

4 - Henrik Lundqvist - 0.920 - 468 regular season games

5 - Roberto Luongo - 0.919 - 727 regular season games

Sorry but yes 68 games DOES skew that save percentage.

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Hotdawg Abbotsford Star

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The Luongonites will follow Luongo wherever he will go. Finally allowing real Canuck fans to cheer for and be proud of Schneider without them all trying to p**s on him.

I've posted the fact that Schneider is the all time leader a couple of times. However, you left out Rask who is 2nd all time at .926. Now Hasek is 3rd.

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Drew1 Abbotsford Regular

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Hey guys this may sound dumb but I just had 2 sorta fun Q, 1) What do you think we could have gotten for luongo the year he had 47 wins and dominated and 2) What do you think we could get for him if he had like only 3 years left on his contract today?

I understand if you think its a dumb Q , just curious

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RUPERTKBD Canucks Hall-of-Famer

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Bolded: That's factually incorrect, the below players have a career save percentage of 1.00

Mike Murphy - 1.00

Brian Foster -  1.00

This player also has a better career save percentage:

Anton Khudobin - 0.961

See I can play the stats game as well.

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jcroams Junior Prospect

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Last year, Tim Thomas had heads turning by setting a record for the highest save percentage in a season (since they started recording it in 1983), with a .938. Dominik Hasek held the previous record with a .936, which he set in 1998-99. People were surprised that in the supposedly more wide-open hockey of post-lockout, that a goaltender would be able to beat a record from the cluth-and-grab hay-day.

HOWEVER, the Dominator is now 3rd - Cory Schneider's .937 from this past season is now 2nd all-time.

In fact, Cory Schneider's career save percentage is best in the NHL...EVER. Nobody comes close to his .928:

1 - Dominik Hašek - 0.922

2 - Tim Thomas - 0.921

3 - Pekka Rinne - 0.921

4 - Henrik Lundqvist - 0.920

5 - Roberto Luongo - 0.919

True, it's only been 68 games, but 68 games is nothing to sniff at. And that number could likely go even higher, because that includes in his first 8 games , when his save percentage was only .877.

Also, Cory's career GAA of 2.24 is 2nd among active goalies. Only Martin Brodeur's 2.23 has him beat - and only because of all his years in the aforementioned clutch-and-grab era, playing for the cluthiest-and-grabiest team in history.

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Again, time will tell if Cory can put together these types of numbers in a starter's role, and over many seasons. But so far, he's given us every indication that he's the real deal...an elite, possibly generational - goaltender.

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FIrst off, the comparison of games is retarded, but aside from that, how does Hasek's 0.937 1.87 and 9 shutout season get beaten by a 33 game season? What universe do you live in? Cory would NOT have broken Hasek's record with this season regardless of what Thomas has done. He did play great this year, no doubt. But to say after playing so few games that he is possibly the greatest goalie means you are truly deluded. Of course it is possible, but if you based that possibility on those stats then you really shouldn't be using stats at all.

You are comparing him to people who have played 10x more games with diff kinds of teams, in different eras, without their starts being picked. Schneider likely would still have amazing stats if his starts weren't picked and staggered, however, you cannot prove that, and therefore it is something any intelligent person would factor into such a statistical claim.

In Luongo you have a goalie that if you look at those with 500 games played, which is still 200+ less than him, he is second all time. THAT kind of a statistical choice, aiming towards higher precision of your claim by taking a larger sample size is justified. However, taking a tiny sample and comparing it to those more than 10x that is absurd. You might not be old enough to understand statistics, or perhaps you never took the time. They do not exist to compare like against unlike. It is there to compare two things that have a basis for comparison. Here it is like you said that someone who scored goals in 60 straight games can be compared to someone who has scored in just 5 straight games. People were, in a sense, doing that with Stamkos last year - saying he could catch Gretzky's record if only he scores 30 more goals at the same pace. Schneider can have a statistically better career than Luongo if he plays the next 700 ish games while maintaining these stats or just slightly worse ones, and not just 2 pieces of seasons on a President's Trophy winner.

Some people really need a reality check. This season we had 2 goalies who played very well for us. Schneider had amazing stats and was very reliable when called upon, while Lu carried majority of the burden and since the start of November had great stats as well. Schneider will be a good goalie and definitely deserves a look at being a starter, but he is not the best goalie in the League. That would just be a blind thing to say. That would be taking all other goalie's stats and careers and diminishing them just to make the stats of someone with 2 thirds of a season of experience. You can compare him intelligently to other young goalies, but you can't say he may be better than Lundqvist based on STATS as opposed to just based on your perception.

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Last year, Tim Thomas had heads turning by setting a record for the highest save percentage in a season (since they started recording it in 1983), with a .938. Dominik Hasek held the previous record with a .936, which he set in 1998-99. People were surprised that in the supposedly more wide-open hockey of post-lockout, that a goaltender would be able to beat a record from the cluth-and-grab hay-day.

HOWEVER, the Dominator is now 3rd - Cory Schneider's .937 from this past season is now 2nd all-time.

In fact, Cory Schneider's career save percentage is best in the NHL...EVER. Nobody comes close to his .928:

1 - Dominik Hašek - 0.922

2 - Tim Thomas - 0.921

3 - Pekka Rinne - 0.921

4 - Henrik Lundqvist - 0.920

5 - Roberto Luongo - 0.919

True, it's only been 68 games, but 68 games is nothing to sniff at. And that number could likely go even higher, because that includes in his first 8 games , when his save percentage was only .877.

Also, Cory's career GAA of 2.24 is 2nd among active goalies. Only Martin Brodeur's 2.23 has him beat - and only because of all his years in the aforementioned clutch-and-grab era, playing for the cluthiest-and-grabiest team in history.

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Again, time will tell if Cory can put together these types of numbers in a starter's role, and over many seasons. But so far, he's given us every indication that he's the real deal...an elite, possibly generational - goaltender.

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Last year, Tim Thomas had heads turning by setting a record for the highest save percentage in a season (since they started recording it in 1983), with a .938. Dominik Hasek held the previous record with a .936, which he set in 1998-99. People were surprised that in the supposedly more wide-open hockey of post-lockout, that a goaltender would be able to beat a record from the cluth-and-grab hay-day.

HOWEVER, the Dominator is now 3rd - Cory Schneider's .937 from this past season is now 2nd all-time.

In fact, Cory Schneider's career save percentage is best in the NHL...EVER. Nobody comes close to his .928:

1 - Dominik Hašek - 0.922

2 - Tim Thomas - 0.921

3 - Pekka Rinne - 0.921

4 - Henrik Lundqvist - 0.920

5 - Roberto Luongo - 0.919

True, it's only been 68 games, but 68 games is nothing to sniff at. And that number could likely go even higher, because that includes in his first 8 games , when his save percentage was only .877.

Also, Cory's career GAA of 2.24 is 2nd among active goalies. Only Martin Brodeur's 2.23 has him beat - and only because of all his years in the aforementioned clutch-and-grab era, playing for the cluthiest-and-grabiest team in history.

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Again, time will tell if Cory can put together these types of numbers in a starter's role, and over many seasons. But so far, he's given us every indication that he's the real deal...an elite, possibly generational - goaltender.

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D-Money Canucks All-Star

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OBVIOUSLY there is no stone cold proof that Cory is the best goalie in the NHL.

And OBVIOUSLY time will tell if he can maintain his pace game-in, game-out...season-in, season-out.

My point is, based on the sample size available, there is a real possibility that he is one of, if not THE, best goalies in the league.

Just wanted to point out something to contrast all the Luongo whining, goalie graveyard crap. Lu's leaving because he's no longer the best goaltender on the Vancouver Canucks, plain and simple.

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