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#91 Raging Cookies

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:25 AM

You can post Schneider's stats all you want. You're just proving my point.

Luongo has been posting consistent stats for 11 seasons now. thats a .917 or higher for the past 11 seasons in a row. For comparison? Miller's had 4. Lundqvist has had 5. Dominik Hasek had 4.

We're really expecting Schneider to immediately jump into this level of goaltending? What if he hits a slump? what if he gets injured? What if he doesn't have that calm dememour when he's a starter? What if he loses a playoff series, and let's in some bad goals?

I'm just trying to say...everyone is very very very excited about Schneider, I get it. But you're trading a known commodity, a , for a goaltender that has never played more than 35 games in a season.

And that doesn't scare ANYONE??

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:48 AM

best goalie in history? No.

I do expect some solid numbers and giving the team a chance to win most nights.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:24 AM

You can post Schneider's stats all you want. You're just proving my point.

Luongo has been posting consistent stats for 11 seasons now. thats a .917 or higher for the past 11 seasons in a row. For comparison? Miller's had 4. Lundqvist has had 5. Dominik Hasek had 4.

We're really expecting Schneider to immediately jump into this level of goaltending? What if he hits a slump? what if he gets injured? What if he doesn't have that calm dememour when he's a starter? What if he loses a playoff series, and let's in some bad goals?

I'm just trying to say...everyone is very very very excited about Schneider, I get it. But you're trading a known commodity, a , for a goaltender that has never played more than 35 games in a season.

And that doesn't scare ANYONE??


Good post and I'm probably one of the few who is not excited about Luo leaving and have much trepidation about Schneider becoming #1 goaltender for the Canucks, and who will be back-up. Would love to see both play for us, with Cory getting more games to play during the season.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:51 AM

It has something to do with age, salary, and potential as well.

Luongo is a known commodity and is relatively consistent throughout the regular season. However, it's unlikely that his play will dramatically improve over the coming years, while with Cory he's still yet (hopefully) to reach his full potential.

I love both of them and wish we could keep both, and ultimately I'm fine with whoever we keep. Either way we'll have a really solid netminder.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:13 PM

I don't expect him to be the best , but I hope he becomes the best goalie in history.

So far for goalies who have played a minimum of 60 NHL games, he does already has the best save percentage in history. Lets hope he can keep it up.

All time save percentage:

Schneider .928
Rask .926
Hasek .922
Thomas .921
Rinne .921
Lundquist .920
Luongo .919





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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:22 PM

What I don't understand is people that think Cory will suck

He's not some fluke that came out of nowhere. He's a goalie meeting his draft potential. It was always known he would develop into a star in this league.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:25 PM

What I don't understand is people that think Cory will suck

He's not some fluke that came out of nowhere. He's a goalie meeting his draft potential. It was always known he would develop into a star in this league.


Simple.

If Cory sucks Luongo is the best goalie ever!

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:27 PM

Simple.

If Cory sucks Luongo is the best goalie ever!


It doesn't really matter who is better as much as what is better for this team. Gillis will make the best move that makes the most sense and the Nucks should be stronger for it.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:00 PM

You can post Schneider's stats all you want. You're just proving my point.

Luongo has been posting consistent stats for 11 seasons now. thats a .917 or higher for the past 11 seasons in a row. For comparison? Miller's had 4. Lundqvist has had 5. Dominik Hasek had 4.

We're really expecting Schneider to immediately jump into this level of goaltending? What if he hits a slump? what if he gets injured? What if he doesn't have that calm dememour when he's a starter? What if he loses a playoff series, and let's in some bad goals?

I'm just trying to say...everyone is very very very excited about Schneider, I get it. But you're trading a known commodity, a , for a goaltender that has never played more than 35 games in a season.

And that doesn't scare ANYONE??


I have been trying to beat this into CDC for some time now. Many people are just not smart enough to understand that or just don't want to. Everyone is acting like it's still a guarantee that we are in the playoffs next year without Lu. When Luongos consistent play during the regular season is a big part of why we are in the playoffs year after year. The hockey market takes luongo for granted and it's going to be interesting to see what happens when Schneider plays as a starter.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:08 PM

It doesn't really matter who is better as much as what is better for this team. Gillis will make the best move that makes the most sense and the Nucks should be stronger for it.


That's what it's all about right?

No one should be dead set on trading one goalie or another. Ultimately it's about what moves can be made, and which ones would make us stronger after it's all said and done.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:32 PM

I have been trying to beat this into CDC for some time now. Many people are just not smart enough to understand that or just don't want to. Everyone is acting like it's still a guarantee that we are in the playoffs next year without Lu. When Luongos consistent play during the regular season is a big part of why we are in the playoffs year after year. The hockey market takes luongo for granted and it's going to be interesting to see what happens when Schneider plays as a starter.


So putting faith into a great prospect = not smart enough? Is that what you are saying? So how about all the other teams that are interested in making Schneids their number one, without much trepidation? Are they all not smart enough either? And all the hockey analysts and panels that say they think he is going to be a star in this league....also not smart? A major part of all sport is taking risks, and from what I have seen so far, Cory is a low risk.

But I will be sad to see Lu go. He's lived up to his billing IMO.

Edited by pimpcurtly, 27 April 2012 - 01:33 PM.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:53 PM

Meltdowns in the playoffs say hi.


whole team meltdowns in the playoffs say hi, cant pin all our losses on just one player. People need to score.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:54 PM

Good post and I'm probably one of the few who is not excited about Luo leaving and have much trepidation about Schneider becoming #1 goaltender for the Canucks, and who will be back-up. Would love to see both play for us, with Cory getting more games to play during the season.


100% agree

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:42 PM

Stats can be Skewed. Let's look at Playoff Winning Percentage. After all it is all about W's isn't it?

Luongo 32- 29 .525 winning %
Cloutier 10 -13 .435 winning %
Schneider 1- 3 .250 winning percentage.

Oh-oh, better bring Cloutier back to play playoff games instead of Schneids.

Luongo haters need to realize there is a risk in this guy leaving town and the Lui lovers have to recognize that although Schneider's body of work isn't large he has earned the right to be a starter here or somewhere. Will his stat line remain the same over the course of his career. Maybe? Maybe not?
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:44 PM

So putting faith into a great prospect = not smart enough? Is that what you are saying? So how about all the other teams that are interested in making Schneids their number one, without much trepidation? Are they all not smart enough either? And all the hockey analysts and panels that say they think he is going to be a star in this league....also not smart? A major part of all sport is taking risks, and from what I have seen so far, Cory is a low risk.

But I will be sad to see Lu go. He's lived up to his billing IMO.


See you just don't get it do u. It's not just about putting faith in a great prospect like every other team. The other prospects don't have luongo in front of them. Think is about putting faith in a backup prospect vrs a consistent starter. And moving the starter in favor of taking a chance the backup can continue to perform. And if he doesn't perform as expected its going to be a long painful road.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:45 PM

You can post Schneider's stats all you want. You're just proving my point.

Luongo has been posting consistent stats for 11 seasons now. thats a .917 or higher for the past 11 seasons in a row. For comparison? Miller's had 4. Lundqvist has had 5. Dominik Hasek had 4.

We're really expecting Schneider to immediately jump into this level of goaltending? What if he hits a slump? what if he gets injured? What if he doesn't have that calm dememour when he's a starter? What if he loses a playoff series, and let's in some bad goals?

I'm just trying to say...everyone is very very very excited about Schneider, I get it. But you're trading a known commodity, a , for a goaltender that has never played more than 35 games in a season.

And that doesn't scare ANYONE??

Not scared, Trepidatious, nervous etc.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:46 PM

Stats can be Skewed. Let's look at Playoff Winning Percentage. After all it is all about W's isn't it?

Luongo 32- 29 .525 winning %
Cloutier 10 -13 .435 winning %
Schneider 1- 3 .250 winning percentage.

Oh-oh, better bring Cloutier back to play playoff games instead of Schneids.

Luongo haters need to realize there is a risk in this guy leaving town and the Lui lovers have to recognize that although Schneider's body of work isn't large he has earned the right to be a starter here or somewhere. Will his stat line remain the same over the course of his career. Maybe? Maybe not?


Exactly ppl on CDC are so dense. Let's bring back cloutier.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:52 PM

I think its a toss up the next 4 years who would be better for us Lou or Schneider. It's the following 6 years we want off our books that we can get rid of now. also Schneider is just so solid net and i feel lou has lost his game a little having him gone he will be able to play the style he wants and be a number 1.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:58 PM

See you just don't get it do u. It's not just about putting faith in a great prospect like every other team. The other prospects don't have luongo in front of them. Think is about putting faith in a backup prospect vrs a consistent starter. And moving the starter in favor of taking a chance the backup can continue to perform. And if he doesn't perform as expected its going to be a long painful road.


I absolutely understand that. That's were I am willing to take the risk from what I have seen. Love Lu but, like it or not, he is on the down slope....and shedding the 10 years left of his contract is very appealing to me.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:00 PM

What I don't understand is people that think Cory will suck

He's not some fluke that came out of nowhere. He's a goalie meeting his draft potential. It was always known he would develop into a star in this league.

Nobody thinks he'll suck, but he could easily fall short of expectations... or short of what Lu gives us every year. If we go in with Lack as a backup, Schneids will be expected to play 70-ish games. What if it takes several seasons to adjust to being the starter? What if he suffers an injury?

Moving Lu makes our goaltending position weaker. We're not talking about making Lu the backup and Cory the starter. We're talking about moving out Lu, making Cory the starter, and putting a huge question mark in the backup position. We're probably not even going to save any cap space, as Cory's raise combined with the [probable] veteran backup we sign will eat up most of the difference. There's a LOT to be worried about if we're losing Lu.

And we're going to be doing this while the team is making strong pushes for the cup?

Edited by suolucidir, 27 April 2012 - 03:01 PM.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:11 PM

whole team meltdowns in the playoffs say hi, cant pin all our losses on just one player. People need to score.


Maybe you should re-watch his playoff meltdowns to refresh your memory.

When he's having his epic meltdowns, most of the time, the team would be down 3-4 goals before the 1st period has even ended.

Didnt he set a record in last years playoff of the quickest back 2 back goals??

Its tough to score goals when youre down before you even get in the game lol.

I dont think the 80s Oilers could even out score the Bruins at the pace Luongo was letting in goals last year.




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