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#31 The Situation

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:27 PM

Perhaps some people need a history lesson. The CCF WERE the NDP in 1940. They basically changed their name to the NDP in the 1960. The CCF were Socialists as are the NDP are today.

Some members of the CCF were against going to War in Europe UNTIL the Soviets were attacked by the Germans.

So Harper is partially correct. The CCF-NDP initally oppose the war. But the general population does not seem to know this fact.

Including the majority of the people on this forum.


It seems like you are also in need of a history lesson.

Canada entered the war in 1939 on a vote where all members of the CCF caucus but JS Woodsworth voted in favour. The CCF National Council voted 13-9 in favour of joining the war. The USSR was not invaded by the Nazis until 1941.

Harper is bringing up this old history to divert attention away from a stupid war that is seemingly never ending and accomplishing nothing.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:14 AM

Perhaps some people need a history lesson. The CCF WERE the NDP in 1940. They basically changed their name to the NDP in the 1960. The CCF were Socialists as are the NDP are today.

Some members of the CCF were against going to War in Europe UNTIL the Soviets were attacked by the Germans.

So Harper is partially correct. The CCF-NDP initally oppose the war. But the general population does not seem to know this fact.

Including the majority of the people on this forum.


I just remembered you saying one time that Sarkozy was a socialist. Now you're labelling today's NDP as socialist. The Sarkozy assessment is dead wrong, and the second one is oversimplified. Just like what Harper did the other day.

Defending the indefensible once again. Harper rarely says stupid stuff out loud, but there's no way out of this one.

It seems like you are also in need of a history lesson.

Canada entered the war in 1939 on a vote where all members of the CCF caucus but JS Woodsworth voted in favour. The CCF National Council voted 13-9 in favour of joining the war. The USSR was not invaded by the Nazis until 1941.

Harper is bringing up this old history to divert attention away from a stupid war that is seemingly never ending and accomplishing nothing.


You're right. This might be a political move to try and distract people from the original talking point (Afghanistan pullout date). Maybe it wasn't so stupid to bring this up.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:29 AM

The Globe and Mail was correct when they said the people who voted for Harper had really no idea about politics, and just voted because they liked a candidate more.


What? That sounds really weird and backwards. If anything, I think a lot of people voted for Layton solely because they liked the candidate. As an individual, he was way more likable than Harper.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:50 AM

Perhaps some people need a history lesson. The CCF WERE the NDP in 1940. They basically changed their name to the NDP in the 1960. The CCF were Socialists as are the NDP are today.

Some members of the CCF were against going to War in Europe UNTIL the Soviets were attacked by the Germans.

So Harper is partially correct. The CCF-NDP initally oppose the war. But the general population does not seem to know this fact.

Including the majority of the people on this forum.


How exactly did the CCF, and the CCF specifically know that Hitler was going to betray Stalin?

Or do some people just forget that the Germans and Soviets were allies until 1941?

http://en.wikipedia....Ribbentrop_Pact

Where exactly did you find this gem...? "Some members of the CCF were against going to War in Europe UNTIL the Soviets were attacked by the Germans."

Edited by canuckster19, 28 April 2012 - 07:54 AM.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:50 AM

Even if it was a correct statement, which it was not, it was so long ago that it would be irrelevant.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:22 AM

How exactly did the CCF, and the CCF specifically know that Hitler was going to betray Stalin?

Or do some people just forget that the Germans and Soviets were allies until 1941?

http://en.wikipedia....Ribbentrop_Pact

Where exactly did you find this gem...? "Some members of the CCF were against going to War in Europe UNTIL the Soviets were attacked by the Germans."


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:28 AM

The fact that you support Jack, and Harper shows how little you understand. They are opposing views. You are voting for your views being represented. You clearly seem to think, we are voting for which candidate you like best. NO! The views of the NDP could not be any more opposite!

The Globe and Mail was correct when they said the people who voted for Harper had really no idea about politics, and just voted because they liked a candidate more.


I'm not really into politics (dont know much more than the basics) but I'm a Conservative at heart, always been one since high school (I've voted
for them since I was 18, for awhile now). What I meant with the Jack Layton comment is that I wouldn't have minded him being our prime minister (the votes were fairly close). Jack was a likeable person. The parties are at the opposite ends of the scale (my choice being right-wing). I do find some things that the NDP suggest to be beneficial to Canada but then again I don't like all the promises the NDP make and the overly socialist aspect of their parties.

* I care more about my MLA's . They get stuff done for you :P (connections).

I agree with your comment though but I don't think that I fall into that category (a lot of people don't know jack , like who the other candidates for this upcoming election are, etc.).

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:22 AM

Even if it was a correct statement, which it was not, it was so long ago that it would be irrelevant.


Someone needs to tell this to Flames fans. The Cup you won in '89 means nothing!!

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:39 AM

It was a CONSERVATIVE (well sort of) prime minister, Diefenbaker who ended the Avro Arrow program. We probably would have our own fighter jets right now and wouldn't be in this mess if the Conservatives didn't end the program. Lets blame the Conservatives for the end of Avro!

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:18 PM

Perhaps some people need a history lesson. The CCF WERE the NDP in 1940. They basically changed their name to the NDP in the 1960. The CCF were Socialists as are the NDP are today.

Some members of the CCF were against going to War in Europe UNTIL the Soviets were attacked by the Germans.

So Harper is partially correct. The CCF-NDP initally oppose the war. But the general population does not seem to know this fact.

Including the majority of the people on this forum.


Wrong. The CCF supported entry into the war. The leader at the time didn't, but he was basically the only one in the entire party to feel that way.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

What? That sounds really weird and backwards. If anything, I think a lot of people voted for Layton solely because they liked the candidate. As an individual, he was way more likable than Harper.


It makes sense. The Conservatives have dropped in the polls, the NDP have risen, and the Liberals have basically stayed the same.

So either 30% of the population simultaneously took one step to the left, or there is a big group of people who don't care so much about political ideology and to and from leaders.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:24 PM

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This was one of many similar newspaper cartoons depicted the nature of the Soviet-Nazi alliance in 1939-40, basically everyone at the time but Stalin appearantly, saw things for wht they were.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:18 PM

Where were the Conservatives when the Moors invaded Spain Mister Prime Minister?


I could see this guy on Jeopardy... what is the Capital of Canada? Stephen?

Uh.... Jello?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:27 PM

http://blogs.canada....-harperhistory/

"Okay, CCF, same difference..."

Lol @ watered-down political history.

I guess the Liberals today are the same as the Liberals under Wilfred Laurier.

Well-done, Harper, Well done.

So we are officially in a bit of a silly season, and in general I stay away from the completely crazy rumors that persist on the internet, or in the case of the Leafs having interest in Nabokov or Turco I will occasionally debunk them...however, I have been getting inundated with emails, PMs, and questions on twitter regarding a few rumors that are out there...so here goes.. I will address the rumors and follow with what I have or haven't heard...If you all like this format, maybe Wacky Wednesdays could be a regular feature. I wouldn't do it more than once a week, because I am too busy talking to actual sources and attempting to provide you all with as much unique information as possible.


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:45 PM

Harper is a moron. Why address the actual criticism when you can just throw some mud and attack the NDP over something from over 70 years ago? Because he's a pure partisan and he knows that most Canadians don't like him or his policies. So the Conservatives throw mud, it's what they do. For the last six years, every time a Conservative was grilled on anything the default response has been "Well, it's actually because of the mess the Liberals left," or "you should have seen how bad it was when the Liberals were in power." Now that's not working, get ready for three more years of attacking the NDP, not on their policies, but on their character. Socialist anti-business job-killing union-loving tree-huggers etc

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:50 PM

Well all it took was some attack ads on Ignatieff being "un-Candian" to lead us down the tubes. Reminiscient of the Clinton impeachment for getting a BJ, which led to eight years of Bush.

I hope as a democratic society, Canadians can learn to vote for key policy issues, not on the likability or charisma of leadership. Voting "god" or voting for the leader which best represents your "qualities" is really only a smokescreen to elect the bully from highschool. I voted Ignatieff, having seen him speak multiple times at UBC, even before running the man is an intellectual and understands foreign policy better than anyone. Canada is and has historically been liberal, the movement towards an NDP/Conservative alignment demonstrates that smokescreen politics really work. Yes Jack was likable, yes Harper is "truly" Canadian, but both fail in the larger picture of moving the Canadian economy away from resource dependency to a sustainable future.

In terms of actual policy, Harper has spent 10 billiion on 65 f-35 aircrafts. Fighter jets... with no aircraft carrier or naval fleet, Canada has 65 jets that would look great in an airshow. These fighters are being trained right now in Florida, not even job creation for Canadians in bases like Winnipeg.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:17 PM

"The NDP refused to come to the aid of men when Mordor invaded Gondor." #HarperHistory


The NDP cancelled Arrested Development because they oppose free enterprise banana stands. #HarperHistory



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Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:53 PM

http://blogs.canada....-harperhistory/

"Okay, CCF, same difference..."

Lol @ watered-down political history.

I guess the Liberals today are the same as the Liberals under Wilfred Laurier.

Well-done, Harper, Well done.


They are not, but I think the Liberals are different. The party's history IS their legacy, and they can use that to their advantage if they choose.

The current Conservatives, on the other hand, cannot look back to the days of Borden and Diefenbaker, Mulroney or even MacDonald for that matter (personally, I wouldn't want to promote any one of their legacies). I mean, they simply are not the PC Party of the 80s and 90s. They can look back to {reston Manning and Stockwell Day.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:23 AM

They are not, but I think the Liberals are different. The party's history IS their legacy, and they can use that to their advantage if they choose.

The current Conservatives, on the other hand, cannot look back to the days of Borden and Diefenbaker, Mulroney or even MacDonald for that matter (personally, I wouldn't want to promote any one of their legacies). I mean, they simply are not the PC Party of the 80s and 90s. They can look back to {reston Manning and Stockwell Day.


Suppose that the current Liberals decided to milk the legacy of the past Liberals, wouldn't that get old REAL fast? I don't think it could be a sound strategy.

I'm not a Liberal basher, Conservative or NDP basher. All parties have done their share of good things. Those guys you mentioned DID do some things good, except Mulroney. He didn't do anything good at all for the people.

Anyway my original post was meant to poke fun at how Harper tried to backtrack his comments by saying "same difference".

So we are officially in a bit of a silly season, and in general I stay away from the completely crazy rumors that persist on the internet, or in the case of the Leafs having interest in Nabokov or Turco I will occasionally debunk them...however, I have been getting inundated with emails, PMs, and questions on twitter regarding a few rumors that are out there...so here goes.. I will address the rumors and follow with what I have or haven't heard...If you all like this format, maybe Wacky Wednesdays could be a regular feature. I wouldn't do it more than once a week, because I am too busy talking to actual sources and attempting to provide you all with as much unique information as possible.


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