Baggins, on 08 May 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:
You do realize that he actually has experience playing against Luongo don't you? That alone would give him a basis to comment on Lou's ability. Honestly. I don't think Lou is as good as many seem to think and never did. I've also called him overrated. I've never called him a bad goalie though. I don't see that as mud slinging. It's just an opinion.
Ultimately I completely disagree with you. Now I never played goal, but I can tell the difference between Cloutier and Loungo. Wouldn't that be the ability to assess a goalie? Holik's lengthy experience as a player and actually playing against Lou, along with a plethora of other NHL goalies over his lengthy career, does qualify him to have an opinion on Lou's abilities. And really all the guy basically said was Lou is underrated buy some and overrated by others. Which I believe is quite true.
Great - you agree with Holik. That is totally your prerogative. But if I were to revise my original point, Holik still does not have a basis for determining goalies and how they run. I'm well-aware that he's an NHL veteran and I'm well-aware that he has played against Luongo at some point.
The thing is, almost every goalie will get overrated at some point or not.
Don't try to confuse the discussion - Holik was not
taking a neutral stance about Luongo's goaltending. He said in quotes "Luongo is not as good as everyone else thinks"
So I ask again, what is the BASIS for him to say that Luongo is NOT as good of a goalie as everyone says?
As you should be well-aware, Luongo has the Jennings trophy (shared with Schneider), is the franchise leader for wins/shutouts and pretty much topped every single record for your team. Luongo was nominated and was a finalist for the Vezina trophy. He's also played for Team Canada, a team which he helped win gold. This guy, in the past, was playing on a bad Florida team where he was making 40-50 saves per night and on some seasons, nearly brought them to the playoffs. Luongo also had an okay playoffs this season and goaltending was NOT an issue (unlike the Pitts/Penns game). Everything SUGGESTS that he is a good goalie.
What has Bobby Holik done, in terms of personal achievements? Uhh... winning the Stanley Cup?
Well guess what? Nick Kypreos won it too and so have a number of enforcers (i.e. George Parros). Just because they CAN exercise their right to speak their mind about a player, does it mean they have to? No.
Holik just comes across as an attention whore, trying to make a controversial comment to make himself seem relevant. Unfortunately for him, he can't back up what he says. The next question to ask is, who's his next target going to be?
I'm just surprised that he's picked Luongo to be "not as good as everyone thinks", when there are surely other goalies that you could say the same thing. But even if he could have picked another goalie, what really gives him that right? As I mentioned above, every goalie will get "overrated" at some point or another. You don't think Cam Ward was never overrated? That is part of being a well-known goalie. You ask any player on their respective teams what they think of their own goalie. All of them are going to say "he is one of the best in the league".
Furthermore, Holik won the Stanley Cup only once on a stacked NJ team. There are a couple of players that have won multiple cups already and they have not said anything about other players in the media.
Edited by Matthew Lombardi 18, 08 May 2012 - 09:42 AM.