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[Report] Gillis, Vigneault Expected To Be Back

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As great of a coach as AV is (and he put his players in positions to succeed, as demonstrated in the 2010-2011 season where a multitude of them had career years), we need a more fiery coach. One that may take it out on the players and motivate them

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Thought it given that MG could be back, but if AV returns we ain't doing Jack in the playoffs.

The team has adopted a minimalist posture in the last year; it being a crime to build on a one goal lead. Pretty sure any competent coach could get more out of our bunch, and, who knows, maybe some youngsters would get a chance. They are delusional if they don't think they need new blood, behind the bench and on it.

"Everyone expects" is pretty vague and is just common courtesy by anyone involved with AV. Still think it's very much in the air.

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Welp if AV is the coach again next year... Stanley cup 13/14 is the dream!

If the guy can't motivate our players = no chance to win even if he is the best coach in the world.

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A jockey can flog his horse as much as he can, but if the horse still can't win at the post ....... who do you blame?

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This wasn't unexpected by most. I don't think AV is a bad coach at all...just not sure the core takes him at face value anymore.

One of the problems with replacing AV right now is the fact that i'm not sure anyone available at the moment would be better.

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AV has had his chance! I believe the canucks have been out coached every year in the playoffs. He is horrible with line juggling and matching. As a former high level player, their is nothing more frustrating than constant line juggling. Chemistry is huge. AV screws with the lines period by period. He is way to passive to ever win a Stanley cup. Boston came back 2 zip, 3-2, partly because of inept coaching. They need fire and passion. The team was listless and seemed apathetic for most of the year. AV is as dull as dishwater. His team appears to have followed suit. MG has also failed miserably recently with terrible signings and horrible trade in the Hodgson fiasco. His job should be questioned. AV must go to inject some life into this team ASAP.

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In the 1990's Pat Quinn managed the Canucks, he was told by the NHL that the game was moving towards a skill and speed style. They kept telling him the league was moving away from the clutch and grab hockey. Pat Quinn built the team according to what the league was telling him. He brought in smaller more skilled players. But he was duped. The league didn't move away from the clutch and grab type of hockey.

MG is hearing the same thing from the league and building the team accordingly. The 8 teams remaining in the playoffs are building bigger,stronger and more physically aggressive teams who play a very defensive game and having success with their respective building models. Philly scored a lot of goals against Pitt but thats thanks to MAF and Pens poor defense. They will not play the same way against NJD.

It's MG's job to accurately predict which way the game is headed and build his team accordingly.

The Canucks need to get bigger and more physical in the top 6. Burrows should be on the 3rd line. The Sedins need a power forward to play with. The 2nd line needs more size. Raymond is not good enough, they need a physically aggressive guy who can put the puck in the net. The 3rd and 4th lines will be easier to fix. The top 6 will be more difficult to fix.

Another thing they need is a more rugged defense. Salo should be let go as a UFA and they should bring in a physical top 4 Dman. Someone with size and grit. Ballard should be traded as well. His cap space could be better utilised.

This will take more than one summer to fix. The Canucks need to make a significant changes if they want to make another run. I don't believe the Canucks in their present state are constructed to win a Championship.

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Since losing to the Boston Bruins last year, Mike Gillis has preached for a more balanced team and Alain Vigneault is the guy that has proven he can deploy both a defensive and offensive system.

Sure teams have figured out the Canucks system by now and its no longer working as well as it previously did, but that doesn't mean Vigneault is bad and can't develop a new system.

I think we'll see Rick Bowness fired and then somebody will be brought in (maybe Craig MacTavish) to work with Vigneault to develop a new and more "balanced" system.

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In the 1990's Pat Quinn managed the Canucks, he was told by the NHL that the game was moving towards a skill and speed style. They kept telling him the league was moving away from the clutch and grab hockey. Pat Quinn built the team according to what the league was telling him. He brought in smaller more skilled players. But he was duped. The league didn't move away from the clutch and grab type of hockey.

MG is hearing the same thing from the league and building the team accordingly. The 8 teams remaining in the playoffs are building bigger,stronger and more physically aggressive teams who play a very defensive game and having success with their respective building models. Philly scored a lot of goals against Pitt but thats thanks to MAF and Pens poor defense. They will not play the same way against NJD.

It's MG's job to accurately predict which way the game is headed and build his team accordingly.

The Canucks need to get bigger and more physical in the top 6. Burrows should be on the 3rd line. The Sedins need a power forward to play with. The 2nd line needs more size. Raymond is not good enough, they need a physically aggressive guy who can put the puck in the net. The 3rd and 4th lines will be easier to fix. The top 6 will be more difficult to fix.

Another thing they need is a more rugged defense. Salo should be let go as a UFA and they should bring in a physical top 4 Dman. Someone with size and grit. Ballard should be traded as well. His cap space could be better utilised.

This will take more than one summer to fix. The Canucks need to make a significant changes if they want to make another run. I don't believe the Canucks in their present state are constructed to win a Championship.

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So much for getting younger and giving the prospects decent icetime under AV.. It's no secret he likes to play his favourites, so with him back, we can expect Raymond and Malhotra back. :picard:

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Completely agree, with all of it. Great post.

And the majority of it starts with drafting well. Gillis has drafted a one dimensional type forward since he got here - a small, skilled guy. Hes drafted approx 7 centers, avg height is 5'11. 4 LW and 1 RW, avg height 6'1 - last yr 1st rounder Jensen was the biggest at 6'3. In the year end presser, Gillis stated the 'rugged big physical forwards' are hard to find, and that's why he had to trade for one. This, of course, absolute lawyer spew garbage.

The reality is he chose NOT to draft those type of players, and in retrospect realizes he made a huge mistake. He had the opportunity to draft Kyle Clifford (a guy who was on Gillis list), but he chose Jordan Schroeder (5'9) instead. He had the opportunity to draft Quinton Howden (6'3), but he traded that draft pick for Keith Ballard.

And according to Gillis, he refuses to change his systems. If the last 2 yrs playoffs haven't taught him anything, they he's got his blinders on and that's bad news for Canuck fans. It's one of the reasons why I don't want Gillis back next yr.

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You're blaming Gillis for taking Schroeder, a standout at the WJC's for the Americans and a great NCAA player, over Clifford, a glorified goon? Good grief.

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Clifford was on the 'list' of players Gillis would trade Hodgson for. It was not my list, it was his. I'm stating he had the opportunity to draft Clifford, but he didn't, he drafted a 5'9 centre instead. How many 5'9 centers in the NHL are successful?

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Don't change the subject. Name someone that quit because their friend or relative passed away. You claim "a lot of ppl....." name 1.

Did Mike Gillis quit when his close friend and former client Pavol Demitra died in the plane crash?

Did Mike Gillis quit when his close friend Brad McCrimmon passed away in the KHL plane crash?

Did any of the Canucks players or mgmt quit because Rypper passed on?

Did anyone in the entire hockey world quit after an entire team perished in the KHL, many of them former NHL stars?

Vancouver media is not HNIC. Local media talks about all sorts of nonsense on the radio to fill air time. Satellite Hot Stove is a very important segment on HNIC that has a national audience.

BTW quit making stupid remarks like " talking out of blah blah blah.... keep it civil.

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Clifford was on the 'list' of players Gillis would trade Hodgson for. It was not my list, it was his. I'm stating he had the opportunity to draft Clifford, but he didn't, he drafted a 5'9 centre instead. How many 5'9 centers in the NHL are successful?

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With the acquitsion of Kassian and the progression of Jensen the Canucks look like they are going in the right direction. The problem is these players are 3 or 4 years away from being significant contributors. By then the Sedins will be pretty much done.

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You're blaming Gillis for taking Schroeder, a standout at the WJC's for the Americans and a great NCAA player, over Clifford, a glorified goon? Good grief.

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Florida is still a valid team. Markstrom is their plan because no one else is available.

Bobrovsky was reported as Phillys future. But they got the chance to get a proven goalie.

Why wouldn't Florida do the same?

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