apollo Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Thats largely irrelevant- If Luongo had won game 7, he'd most likely be holding the Conn Smythe, not Thomas. And Luongo didn't 'choke' on game 7. He was one of our best players on the ice that night. As they say, winning often erases most of your blemishes. Roy was a winner- but anyone who has watched Roy for the bulk of his career, cannot say that Roy never choked. Yes, he did- not often, but he did have his choke moments. Luongo is kinda the same way. And no, Luongo will never be Patrick Roy. Patrick Roy invented/perfected a style for the first time and ran with it. Athletes who come up with a new technique are usually quite untouchable in accomplishments. And make no mistake, Roy was a brilliant goalie too. But i will tell you this much: I've been watching hockey for 20 years or so and there isn't much between Roy and Luongo at their best. Like i said, Roy's chokes were mostly in the corners, handling pucks. Not just misplaying pucks but complete choke in the corner. (Marty Brodeur has done it several times- went into the corner and misplayed the puck- Brodeur doesn't choke in the corner though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauii Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Safe to say Luongo has already secured his position as one of the best goaltenders the Canucks organization has ever had and all the successes this organization has had with it during the course of his tenure with us. Job well done Lu!! Thank you for all your hard work and helping us be legit and putting us on the map and be a contender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 People don't get it. People who say Luongo is a crappy goalie are just as oblivious as the people who blame everyone else on the team except for Luongo when the TEAM unravels. Luongo is a spectacular goalie. So spectacular that the team heavily relies on him, therefore when he has a subpar performance in the playoffs it's magnified to epic proportion. He does the same thing in the regular season and probably just as often its just more easily forgotten. That is the thing with Bobby Luo he plays so well 95% of the time that the team is comfortable cheating on D and or letting Luo handle the shots, then some random shot or fluke giveaway results in a sausage bulging the twine. That comfort and trust is now damaged, the team grips their sticks harder, Luongo might as well be bare naked on the ice. Then here comes the stupid penalties cause the team isn't moving their feet. Boom, boom, another stupid penalty, boom, Breakaway, bobby belly flop, boom. 7-1 game over. Media explodes, Luongo is garbage. I hope Torts handles this better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauii Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Good point Cyril when Lu is not standing on his head, the team gets exposed. This is most apparent during the playoffs. Like you said I hope Torts can even out the workload. It takes a team functioning as a collective unit with same the purpose/goal to win championships and not just riding on one guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Roy and brodeur all won their cups when there was no cap and their teams were spending far far more than the rest of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Roy was an amazing goaltender. Perhaps the best goaltender of all time. He did perfect the butterfly position and ran with it. The Canadiens did have quite a loaded team for their first Roy Cup. The second Cup came at the hands of Los Angeles who did not have any business in the Finals. His third Cup came as an Avalanche and anyone watching hockey in those years, especially as a Canucks, cannot argue that Colorado, Detroit and New Jersey were the top three teams for nearly a decade. Brodeur might be the second best goaltender in history. He has had the very fortunate chance to play behind one of the most defensively stingy teams of all time, anchored by Stevens and Niedermayer. Nothing passed them. Include the coach who shut down Eastern Cobference scoring by his defensive style and most teams had to chance. Brodeur, as good as he was, was a benefactor of such a system. Now that New Jersey is cash strapped and with a lack of identity, Brodeur is still very good by fading fast. Luongo might be the third best all time when all things are said and done. He single handedly brought respect to Vancouver and allowed for time to transition into an elite team. The bonehead part of his career is Vigneault who managed to take on of the greatest goalie of all time and the best goaltender Vancouver has ever seen, and create a goaltender controversy by replacing him not once but twice during the playoffs, and letting him warm the bench for half a season. Vigneault's mind games are no match for Luongo's skills and personality. He stays, Vigneault and Schneider go. Seeing how Tortorella ran with Lundqvist in New York, Luongo now has a new ally in town and he'll run with the show. I strongly believe that in hindsight, we shall see the Luongo years as the best years in Canucks history. With Tortorella, a brand new team system will be built which will include a stability between the pipes. Luongo has officially defeated the goaltending graveyard. He has survived and he is still a Vancouver Canucks, now wants to stay and play hockey and will have a new coach and a new system to backstop in, which will only benefit the entire franchise. Mike Gillis out GMs yet again, even Lamoriello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Sorry but I’ll have to debunk this myth . Roy won the cup in 86, 93, 96, 2001 Out of 4 cups his teams’ payroll was only in the top 5 once, in 2001. 86 cup MTL was 7th highest 93 Cup MTL was 9th highest 96 COL was 11th highest Brodeur won the cup in 95, 2000, 2003 Out of 3 cups his team was never in the top 5 in fact his team only broke the top 10 payroll once, in 2003 when the devils payroll was 8th most in the league. What’s the common theme here. No Roy and Broduer didn’t win their cups because their teams bought their way to the cup. If as you say “Roy and Brodeur all won their cups when there was no cap and their teams were spending far far more than the rest of the league” then the rangers should have won a lot more cups then the only one they got in 94 . Roy and Broduer are two of the greatest goalies of all time. Look a Roy’s career even with other star players on his teams, he won the Playoff MVP 3 of his 4 cups. What does that mean, it means he was the team’s most valuable player, so the other theory that any goalie could have won on those teams is also debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Roy was an amazing goaltender. Perhaps the best goaltender of all time. He did perfect the butterfly position and ran with it. The Canadiens did have quite a loaded team for their first Roy Cup. The second Cup came at the hands of Los Angeles who did not have any business in the Finals. His third Cup came as an Avalanche and anyone watching hockey in those years, especially as a Canucks, cannot argue that Colorado, Detroit and New Jersey were the top three teams for nearly a decade. Brodeur might be the second best goaltender in history. He has had the very fortunate chance to play behind one of the most defensively stingy teams of all time, anchored by Stevens and Niedermayer. Nothing passed them. Include the coach who shut down Eastern Cobference scoring by his defensive style and most teams had to chance. Brodeur, as good as he was, was a benefactor of such a system. Now that New Jersey is cash strapped and with a lack of identity, Brodeur is still very good by fading fast. Luongo might be the third best all time when all things are said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Roy and brodeur all won their cups when there was no cap and their teams were spending far far more than the rest of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Roy also played in an era where dynasty teams existed (like the ones he won the cups with) where if he DID happen to have a bad night and let in 4 or 5 goals, the offense was capable of going down the ice and scoring 6 or 7 if they wanted to. we barely scored that many in the entire series against Boston, nevermind in one game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Roy also played in an era where dynasty teams existed (like the ones he won the cups with) where if he DID happen to have a bad night and let in 4 or 5 goals, the offense was capable of going down the ice and scoring 6 or 7 if they wanted to. we barely scored that many in the entire series against Boston, nevermind in one game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 1996. SCF Game 4: Avalanche on the road against the Panthers. Avs have 3-0 series lead. Roy had only given up 4 goals in the first 3 games combined. Patrick Roy posts a 63 save shutout in a triple OT game to beat John Vanbiesbrouck (who also played out of his mind) and the Panthers 1-0. Yeah the Avs were the better team, and yeah I expected them to win. Having said that, the Panthers pulled out all the stops and Patrick had to be perfect to beat them that night. It took the Avs over 100 minutes to score one goal, but it was enough thanks to Saint Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 This is one of my favourite Patrick Roy moments, Colorado is up 3 games to 2 in 2002, Roy does a little hotdogging, coughs up a bad goal and goes on to lose the game. He then went on to give up 6 goals on 16 shots in game 7 look at some of these beauties from game 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm having trouble finding it but Roy also gave up a game 7 series losing goal from the opposite blueline, I think it was against Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm having trouble finding it but Roy also gave up a game 7 series losing goal from the opposite blueline, I think it was against Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 1996. SCF Game 4: Avalanche on the road against the Panthers. Avs have 3-0 series lead. Roy had only given up 4 goals in the first 3 games combined. Patrick Roy posts a 63 save shutout in a triple OT game to beat John Vanbiesbrouck (who also played out of his mind) and the Panthers 1-0. Yeah the Avs were the better team, and yeah I expected them to win. Having said that, the Panthers pulled out all the stops and Patrick had to be perfect to beat them that night. It took the Avs over 100 minutes to score one goal, but it was enough thanks to Saint Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 the Avs outscored them 14-4 in the first 3 games, Roy could have played terribly and they still would have won. But yes he was godlike in that series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I'm having trouble finding it but Roy also gave up a game 7 series losing goal from the opposite blueline, I think it was against Boston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 This is one of my favourite Patrick Roy moments, Colorado is up 3 games to 2 in 2002, Roy does a little hotdogging, coughs up a bad goal and goes on to lose the game. He then went on to give up 6 goals on 16 shots in game 7 look at some of these beauties from game 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanNuck Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Makes me sick that people have no respect for Luongo. The guy basically gave new life to this team and put them on a level nobody's ever known or even imagined ten years ago. Did everything to get the win, until he had almost nothing left. Gave everyone a new hope. Yeah, and he led Canada to Olympic gold, as the sole Vancouver Canuck player on that team, playing on Vancouver Canuck ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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