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Luongo Or Kiprusoff Has Move Value In A Trade?

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DooBie604 Abbotsford Prospect

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Loungo beats Kipper in almost every single category and this includes his years stuck on Florida in a team worse than Calgary.

For those who think his contract is a problem need a head check and take a look at the ridiculous contracts thrown out at other goalies. Loungo doesn't have to play all the years left on his contract, he can get bought out near the tail end. His contract is front loaded so it would barely cost anything to buy him out and even in the later years, he would be an excellent mentor for any young goaltender.

Regular season wins (active)

  1. Martin Brodeur, 656

  2. Roberto Luongo, 339

  3. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Nikolai Khabibulin, 328

  4. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Evgeni Nabokov,[13] 312

  5. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Miikka Kiprusoff, 311

  6. 22px-Flag_of_Czechoslovakia.svg.png Tomas Vokoun, 287

  7. Jose Theodore, 282

  8. Marty Turco, 275

  9. 22px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png Henrik Lundqvist, 252

    22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Ryan Miller, 252

  10. Jean-Sebastien Giguere, 246

  11. Martin Biron, 228

  12. Dwayne Roloson, 227

  13. Marc-Andre Fleury, 226

  14. Cam Ward, 205

Regular season shutouts (active)

A goaltender achieves a shutout when he does not allow a goal against him, and plays the full game.

  1. Martin Brodeur, 119

  2. Roberto Luongo, 60

  3. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Evgeni Nabokov,[13] 52

  4. 22px-Flag_of_Czechoslovakia.svg.png Tomas Vokoun, 48

  5. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Nikolai Khabibulin, 45

  6. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Miikka Kiprusoff, 44

  7. 22px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png Henrik Lundqvist, 43

  8. Marty Turco, 41

  9. Jean-Sebastien Giguere, 36

  10. Jose Theodore, 33

  11. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Tim Thomas, 31

  12. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Ilya Bryzgalov, 29

    Dwayne Roloson, 29

  13. Martin Biron, 28

    22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Ryan Miller, 28

Regular season goals against average (active)

Goals against average is the average number of goals a goaltender allows over a 60 minute period (the regulation length of a game). It is calculated by multiplying the goals against by 60 minutes, then dividing by the total minutes played. Minimum 250 games played

  1. Martin Brodeur, 2.230

  2. 22px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png Henrik Lundqvist, 2.270

  3. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Pekka Rinne, 2.350

  4. Marty Turco, 2.357

  5. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Evgeni Nabokov,[13] 2.400

  6. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Niklas Backstrom, 2.422

  7. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Miikka Kiprusoff, 2.452

  8. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Tim Thomas, 2.476

  9. Roberto Luongo, 2.517

  10. Jean-Sebastien Giguere, 2.520

  11. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Ilya Bryzgalov, 2.524

  12. 20px-Flag_of_Switzerland.svg.png Jonas Hiller, 2.529

  13. 22px-Flag_of_Czechoslovakia.svg.png Tomas Vokoun, 2.554

  14. Carey Price, 2.557

  15. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Ryan Miller, 2.567

  16. Martin Biron, 2.606

  17. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Brent Johnson, 2.629

  18. Chris Mason, 2.631

Regular season save percentage (active)

Save percentage is the percentage of shots on goal that a goaltender stops. It is calculated by dividing the number of saves by the number of shots on goal. Minimum 250 games played

  1. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Tim Thomas, .9214

  2. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Pekka Rinne, .9209

  3. 22px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png Henrik Lundqvist, .9200

  4. Roberto Luongo, .9193

  5. 20px-Flag_of_Switzerland.svg.png Jonas Hiller, .9178

  6. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Niklas Backstrom, .9177

  7. 22px-Flag_of_Czechoslovakia.svg.png Tomas Vokoun, .9168

  8. Carey Price, .9160

  9. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Ryan Miller, .91474

  10. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Ilya Bryzgalov, .91471

  11. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Kari Lehtonen, .9141

  12. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Miikka Kiprusoff, .9136

  13. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Craig Anderson, .9133

  14. Martin Brodeur, .91299

  15. Jean-Sebastien Giguere, .91297

  16. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Evgeni Nabokov,[13] .9124

  17. Martin Biron, .9106

  18. Cam Ward, .9105

  19. Chris Mason, .9104

  20. Marty Turco, .9096

  21. Jose Theodore, .9094

  22. Marc-Andre Fleury, .9092

Playoff wins (active)

  1. Martin Brodeur, 99

  2. Marc-Andre Fleury, 41

  3. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Evgeni Nabokov,[13] 40

  4. 22px-Flag_of_the_Soviet_Union.svg.png Nikolai Khabibulin, 39

  5. Jean-Sebastien Giguere, 33

  6. Roberto Luongo, 32

  7. Dwayne Roloson, 28

  8. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Tim Thomas, 26

  9. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Miikka Kiprusoff, 25

    22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Ryan Miller, 25

  10. 22px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png Antti Niemi, 24

  11. Cam Ward, 23

  12. 22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Brian Boucher, 21

    Marty Turco, 21

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Coda Abbotsford Star

Coda

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In October of this year Kipper turns 36. Luongo is more than 3 years younger. Kipperusoff is running out of good years, especially considering he plays the most games of any player in the league.

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Tm085 Abbotsford Star

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Olympics medals are something that is meaningless in the NHL. To answer your question 0 and 1.

Lets take a look at the rosters of Canada and Finland. Besides Selanne not a single player of Finland's roster would have made Team Canada.

edit: Well maybe Mikko Koivu and Tuomo Ruutu might have made Team Canada.

Goaltenders

Niklas Bäckström, Minnesota Wild (NHL)

Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames (NHL)

Antero Niittymäki, Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL)

Defensemen

Lasse Kukkonen, Avangard Omsk (KHL)

Sami Lepistö, Phoenix Coyotes (NHL)

Toni Lydman, Buffalo Sabres (NHL)

Janne Niskala, Frölunda (SEL)

Joni Pitkänen, Carolina Hurricanes (NHL)

Sami Salo, Vancouver Canucks (NHL)

Kimmo Timonen, Philadelphia Flyers (NHL)

Forwards

Valtteri Filppula, Detroit Red Wings (NHL)

Niklas Hagman, Calgary Flames (NHL)

Jarkko Immonen, Ak Bars Kazan (KHL)

Olli Jokinen, New York Rangers (NHL)

Niko Kapanen, Ak Bars Kazan (KHL)

Mikko Koivu, Minnesota Wild (NHL)

Saku Koivu, Anaheim Ducks (NHL)

Jere Lehtinen, Dallas Stars (NHL)

Antti Miettinen, Minnesota Wild (NHL)

Ville Peltonen, Dinamo Minsk (KHL)

Jarkko Ruutu, Ottawa Senators (NHL)

Tuomo Ruutu, Carolina Hurricanes (NHL)

Teemu Selänne, Anaheim Ducks (NHL)

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Goaltenders

  • Martin Brodeur, 37 (New Jersey Devils)

  • Roberto Luongo, 30 (Vancouver Canucks)

  • Marc-Andre Fleury, 25 (Pittsburgh Penguins)

Defense

  • Scott Niedermayer, 36 (Anaheim Ducks)

  • Chris Pronger, 35 (Philadelphia Flyers)

  • Shea Weber, 24 (Nashville Predators)

  • Drew Doughty, 20 (Los Angeles Kings)

  • Duncan Keith 26 (Chicago Blackhawks)

  • Dan Boyle, 33 (San Jose Sharks)

  • Brent Seabrook, 24 (Chicago Blackhawks)

Forwards

  • Sidney Crosby, 21 (Pittsburgh Penguins)

  • Rick Nash, 25 (Columbus Blue Jackets)

  • Jarome Iginla, 32 (Calgary Flames)

  • Mike Richards, 25 (Philadelphia Flyers)

  • Joe Thornton, 30 (San Jose Sharks)

  • Patrick Marleau, 30 (San Jose Sharks)

  • Ryan Getzlaf, 24 (Anaheim Ducks)

  • Brenden Morrow, 31 (Dallas Stars)

  • Corey Perry, 24 (Anaheim Ducks)

  • Dany Heatley, 29 (San Jose Sharks)

  • Eric Staal, 25 (Carolina Hurricanes)

  • Patrice Bergeron, 25 (Boston Bruins)

  • Jonathan Toews, 21 (Chicago Blackhawks)

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Banned01 Abbotsford Regular

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Loungo beats Kipper in almost every single category and this includes his years stuck on Florida in a team worse than Calgary.

For those who think his contract is a problem need a head check and take a look at the ridiculous contracts thrown out at other goalies. Loungo doesn't have to play all the years left on his contract, he can get bought out near the tail end. His contract is front loaded so it would barely cost anything to buy him out and even in the later years, he would be an excellent mentor for any young goaltender.

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Burnsey Canucks Prospect

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It depends. If you have a young goalie who is expected to be great in 2-4 years times then go with Kipper. If you have no real goalie in the organisation (including minors) you go with the long term option in Luongo.

Financially it may make more sense to go with Kipper. Although his cap hit is higher he has less years, so you can see what he has and if it's worth keeping always re-sign him.

With saying all this, doesn't matter which goaltender a team would have, both are great and worthy of taking teams to a long playoff run. Also, without a good team in front of them, it doesn't really matter who is in net. Example this year's playoffs for the Canucks. Team in front didn't play so nothing Luongo or Schnieder did would help them.

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Watermelons

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The homers on this board make me laugh, hence why I hardly ever post.

The argument that "Luongo won us gold" should not be a resepected.

He let in the tying goal with less than 30 seconds left? Yes, they were crashing the creas and the D should have boxed the US out but LOU was also flopping around like a dead whale like he always does.

He finished the tournament with the second highest GAA, and one of the worst save percentages.

As for the poster who said Kiprusoff hasn't played in many meaningful games in the past 8 years, I'd say the olympics count as meaningful.

And yes, I am a diehard 'Nucks fan I just watch the entire league, not one team.

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Banned01 Abbotsford Regular

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I don't know what statistics you were looking at but according to the IIHF Luongo's sv% was the 5th highest in the tournament (6th if you include goalies that didn't play over 40% of their teams games) and his GAA 3rd LOWEST in the tournament not 2nd HIGHEST. :picard:

His stats were A LOT better than Kipper's (given that Kipper's team wasn't as good, but Luongo outplayed Martin Brodeur, who is one of the best to play the game, for the spot on Team Canada so "Canada could not have won with any goalie" like so many people claim).

Source: http://stats.iihf.co...00_85A_30_0.pdf

And if you watch the replay of the game trying goal, you will realize that Luongo deserves as much blame as Weber and Niedermayer does. How can two of the best d-men in the world leave a player (Parise) wide open in front of the net?

And...Luongo was sitting upright, he never "flopped like a whale" like you say.

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