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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:38 AM

If only Luo would put Columbus on his list. Nash would look good with Kesler and Booth.

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Unfortunately then we will have to live with

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:32 AM

There really should be a 100 post limit before you can make a topic.....

Jus' sayin'.


Why?

I say well done.

I also say he has a good point, we need a big gritty sniper, however they have a good goalie in Hiller and a decent backup with Desluarirers, so whether they would consider the trade off of one of their forward stars a good bit of business..........I doubt it.

Especially as the poster above has pointed out, if they could be losing scoring depth with the possible retirement of Koivu and Selanne.

No I think we would have to offer one of our D's in a package as they are far lighter in that department. Ballard perhaps in a package with Tanev.

We then use our goalie to get a big bad D and drop Bieksa to 2nd and bring up Gragnani or Sauve to play with Sami.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:33 AM

Especially if Selanne & Koivu retire, the last guy they are going to trade is Perry.

Give your head a shake... :sick: :picard: :sadno:

Think about it, you have just lost two of your top 6 forwards, and you trade your best remaining one for a goalie when you still have a Hillier who is not bad at all...



Earlier during the season, we heard a Corey Perry trade rumour to the Canucks, which then turned to Bobby Ryan and then nothing happened.

Well, the way i look at it, one of our challenges in the playoffs has been to score goals and that is because outside of the Sedin twins, we don't have any other elite scoring threat. Kesler was great last season but lets face it, he will never be a top end scoring threat who consistently makes the 25-35 goal margin and neither do i expect him to. Now, with Perry in the team, we would have one of the best lines in hockey, free Kesler up for the 2nd unit powerplay(badly needing a centerman).

Now, Anaheim has 23 million free for next season and they need a top-end goalie to remain competetive in the Pacific division, especially if Koivu and Selanne retire. As such, the Perry trade benefits both teams and i wonder if we could swing the Perry trade by packaging Luongo with a combination of players & picks. ( i wouldn't want to trade the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Lapierre, Higgins, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Tanev or Kassian though).


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:45 AM

You also need to your head a shake; you acquire arguably the single best power forward in the league & you want to play him with your defensive center?

All that when your you have the smallish but freakishly talented Sedins, who are incapable of playing two way hockey because they have not found someone big who can keep up with them?

Holy carp, too many guys are fixated on making Kesler the leagues best player instead of building a good hockey team.

Nash plays with Kesler only when the Twins retire if we could get him.

Its this exact problem, even by AV and our coaching staff, which is holding us back!

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If only Luo would put Columbus on his list. Nash would look good with Kesler and Booth.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Nash-Kesler-Booth
Higgins-lappierre-Kassian
Volpatti-Malholtra-Hansen
Ebbet
Nice looking forward group

Unfortunately then we will have to live with

Bieksa-Hamhius
Edler-Tanev
Ballard-Grangani
Cannuatton-Alberts

Schnieder- Lack

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 05:58 AM

What kind of constructive reply is there that hasn't been said already? This topic has been beaten to death more than a dead dead thing.


So why not simply ignore it?

Why go out of your way to welcome someone here by making them feel bad?

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:28 AM

I realize that trading Perry, with Koivu and Selanne potentially retiring doesn't look good. however, the template in the west for the last few seasons has been ' defence and solid goal-tending = playoff appearance'. Hiller has vertigo problems that he hasn't fully recovered from and i made sure i checked the anaheim board to see what their impression is of Hiller- they think he is talented but damaged goods and not sure if they want to give him a contract extension if he can't shake his vertigo.

As far as next year looks, Ananheim has one 'super-line' and then nothing. No defence, no solid goal-tending and IMO, they arn't going to be in the playoffs without good goalie and defence.

My thinking is, Ananheim is in an extremely competetive division and they are going to prioritize making the playoffs first and making a cup run when they do have the pieces to make the playoffs consistently.
As such, Luongo still has atleast 3-4 years of good hockey in him and IMO, he will be a good enough goalie to backstop a team into playoff position for most of his contract- he is a position goalie, not a reflex goalie and as such, he will be a God on the first shot for a longtime to come. Anaheim has money to burn and they are almost in a position to start over again. They also have high draft picks and it is a lot easier to replace Corey Perry than find a bonafide goalie in the next few years.

I think the deal makes sense for both parties, but wouldn't be surprised if Gillis thought trading with a western team is a bad idea or Luongo didn't appear too hot to go to Anaheim.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:26 AM

There is very little reason to believe that Chicago is on his list.


Just to throw A dagger at the canucks fans

Plus a good team with a need for a goalie. But will never happebn unless chi town over pays big time

Edited by codyhodgson, 30 April 2012 - 07:28 AM.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:40 AM

I know that there is a dearth of news about the canucks now - and I guess it is fun to make stuff up... But come on... we aren't going to be trading for any star player, not under MG.

We will trade for up and coming players, or players past their prime - if they make moneyball sense.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:37 AM

Earlier during the season, we heard a Corey Perry trade rumour to the Canucks, which then turned to Bobby Ryan and then nothing happened.

Well, the way i look at it, one of our challenges in the playoffs has been to score goals and that is because outside of the Sedin twins, we don't have any other elite scoring threat. Kesler was great last season but lets face it, he will never be a top end scoring threat who consistently makes the 25-35 goal margin and neither do i expect him to. Now, with Perry in the team, we would have one of the best lines in hockey, free Kesler up for the 2nd unit powerplay(badly needing a centerman).

Now, Anaheim has 23 million free for next season and they need a top-end goalie to remain competetive in the Pacific division, especially if Koivu and Selanne retire. As such, the Perry trade benefits both teams and i wonder if we could swing the Perry trade by packaging Luongo with a combination of players & picks. ( i wouldn't want to trade the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Lapierre, Higgins, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Tanev or Kassian though).

i really really like what corey perry brings to the table....on a line with kesler or the sedins ...an absolute win win.it would be nice to see him in a canucks jersey....if the price was not too high.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:39 AM

I would pay almost anything to get Perry. He's one of the best shooters in the league, he's clutch, and big and nasty to boot. I think Anaheim is crazy to even consider trading him.

I also think Gillis, if he trades Luongo, will go to great lengths to avoid moving Luongo to a team in the West.

Though Perry could make it happen.

Neither GM wants to face these players for years to come.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:52 AM

Lol. Kesler got 20 goals last season and 40 the year before, now suddenly he will never get 25-35 goals ever again? Explain.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:32 AM

Earlier during the season, we heard a Corey Perry trade rumour to the Canucks, which then turned to Bobby Ryan and then nothing happened.

Well, the way i look at it, one of our challenges in the playoffs has been to score goals and that is because outside of the Sedin twins, we don't have any other elite scoring threat. Kesler was great last season but lets face it, he will never be a top end scoring threat who consistently makes the 25-35 goal margin and neither do i expect him to. Now, with Perry in the team, we would have one of the best lines in hockey, free Kesler up for the 2nd unit powerplay(badly needing a centerman).

Now, Anaheim has 23 million free for next season and they need a top-end goalie to remain competetive in the Pacific division, especially if Koivu and Selanne retire. As such, the Perry trade benefits both teams and i wonder if we could swing the Perry trade by packaging Luongo with a combination of players & picks. ( i wouldn't want to trade the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Lapierre, Higgins, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Tanev or Kassian though).


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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:08 PM

People, exactly what kind of return do you think Luongo is going to fetch? You all make it sound like Vancouver should only trade him for superstars and first round picks.

Remember, when Vancouver trades Luongo, it is going to be a salary dump first and foremost. They won't get even close to a similar player in return as far as talent goes, unless it's another player of equal outrageous salary (ie. Lecavalier).

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:11 PM

Luongo is going to fetch great returns from the right team. Yes, he has his epic meltdowns. Yes, he has an elephantine contract that will see the team take a cap hit far beyond his probable value in the last few years of his career.
But lets not sell Lu short. He is one of the few established goalies in the league. There have bee plenty of goalies like Scheider who were lights out one or two seasons and then became ordinary ( Jose Theodore, Antii Niemi come to mind)- not that i think Schneider will go that way mind you. But Lou represents a rare commodity in this league: a super-consistent goalie who has a proven track record of excellence both in a market that nobody cares for (Florida) and a high pressure market (Canucks). Lou is the type of player that *may* cost you the cup with his meltdowns ( IMO his meltdown against Boston was equally instrumental in us losing as Hamhuis's loss). But he definitely is the kind of goalie that *WILL* take you to the playoffs and that is a huge commodity in the right market- markets like the Leafs, Anaheim, Dallas, etc. where they are under significant pressure to make the playoffs will pay through their nose for Lou.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 06:29 PM

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:42 PM

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:07 PM

Most managers are not too keen on Luongo. They must suspect he's going downhill now, plus his mega contract simply does not justify the huge risk involved in trading for him. MG was alleged to have boo-booed with CoHo and he may very well repeat by keeping Luongo and trading Schneider for Perry!!!

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:06 PM

a Corey Perry thread is almost refreshing right now.




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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:15 PM

Anaheim already has Hiller so they don't really need a goaltender.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:20 PM

We would have to overpay to get Perry.

No thanks.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 12:50 AM

Perry and Getzlaf really love Selanne (having him around and just in general). Seeing as he might retire this year (or next), it could affect the two players and how they see the organization and where it's headed. I absolutely love Perry and would love him on this team.

What are the chances? :mellow:

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 01:12 AM

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:13 PM

I realize that trading Perry, with Koivu and Selanne potentially retiring doesn't look good. however, the template in the west for the last few seasons has been ' defence and solid goal-tending = playoff appearance'. Hiller has vertigo problems that he hasn't fully recovered from and i made sure i checked the anaheim board to see what their impression is of Hiller- they think he is talented but damaged goods and not sure if they want to give him a contract extension if he can't shake his vertigo.

As far as next year looks, Ananheim has one 'super-line' and then nothing. No defence, no solid goal-tending and IMO, they arn't going to be in the playoffs without good goalie and defence.

My thinking is, Ananheim is in an extremely competetive division and they are going to prioritize making the playoffs first and making a cup run when they do have the pieces to make the playoffs consistently.
As such, Luongo still has atleast 3-4 years of good hockey in him and IMO, he will be a good enough goalie to backstop a team into playoff position for most of his contract- he is a position goalie, not a reflex goalie and as such, he will be a God on the first shot for a longtime to come. Anaheim has money to burn and they are almost in a position to start over again. They also have high draft picks and it is a lot easier to replace Corey Perry than find a bonafide goalie in the next few years.

I think the deal makes sense for both parties, but wouldn't be surprised if Gillis thought trading with a western team is a bad idea or Luongo didn't appear too hot to go to Anaheim.


Im sorry but i have to disagree with you. Hiller is fully recovered from Vertigo, he was in the NHL's Three stars of the week twice in the last 5 weeks of the season. As for their defense, Fowler and Sbisa are going to be stars and Anaheim will address the defense with the 6th overall pick.Trading Perry would be as likely as the Sedins getting traded. With Selanne on the verge of retirement, Anaheim would not give up their best scorer. Luongo is most definitely not need in Anaheim. I would also like to remind you that the Ducks finished with the second best record after the all star break. Amidst their horrible beginning under Carlyle, they would be a playoff team.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 07:34 PM

I think there can be a way around this. Say Anaheim trades Hiller to a team needing a goalie, say, Chicago for Stahlberg and Kruger. (I'm not really sure as to what Jonas's value is) They then trade Perry to us for Luongo, Schroeder, Connauton, Ballard and our 1st. Then if we can, we trade Booth, Malhotra, Sauve, Raymond's rights, and a 2013 2nd for Jordan Staal. And sign Parise and Jokinen.

Sedin - Sedin - Perry
Parise - Staal - Kesler
Burrows - Jokinen - Higgins
Kassian - Lapierre - Hansen

Pipe dream, yes. But there is some value to it.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 08:22 PM

Well since this thread is bumped, Happy Birthday to Perry!

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