nuck nit Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 We do know,without assumptions,how much Gragnani and Kass helped us in these playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 It's also absolute assumption, and utter bull to say CoHo would have helped us because no one knows how situations could have played out. However, history is the only basis we have in this and history showed he did awful when it came to the play offs. However, that is an unfair assumption because he was younger and less developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 We do know,without assumptions,how much Gragnani and Kass helped us in these playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckFan1981 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Gillis has made our team into a perrenial favorite and powerhouse contender. Despite struggles this playoffs, I don't think there is any good reason to get rid of him or AV. Yes, he makes mistakes, like the COHO comment. But the good things he has done far outweight the bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Only in Vancouver would they try getting rid of a reigning GM of the year winner and a multiple coach of the year nominee. Don't make the players accountable or anything like that, wouldn't want to rattle their ego's or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Whisht Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 team's 228 points this season and last It was a total over 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 It is an absolute assumption, and utter bull, to say that CoHo would not have helped us in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Bye Bye Ballard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 And it's "an absolute assumption and utter bull to say that CoHo" would have "helped us in the playoffs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiginJapan Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I have a feeling a big shake-up is on the way...and the Nucks will bomb next year as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 He did start producing in buffalo once he made the adjustment to the team. He made our second unit powerplay click, when the whole team wasn't slumping that is, and that contribution alone could have made a significant difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 If you look at the numbers much of the team was slumping during that period, it wasn't just him. It also took him some time to adjust to buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prana16 Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Gillis has made our team into a perrenial favorite and powerhouse contender. Despite struggles this playoffs, I don't think there is any good reason to get rid of him or AV. Yes, he makes mistakes, like the COHO comment. But the good things he has done far outweight the bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Exactly his play depended on other players playing well ahead of him, so since our whole team minus the goalies were not producing, how would he have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Alexander Sulzer started out with getting points in buffalo faster than he did, and on less minutes per game. How do you account for his -7 in 20 games, he lacks defensive abilities which he was oft criticized in van for, so any offense he could have contributed would have been negated by his defensive incapabilities. Its the playoffs and we played a bigger, more physical team and not his fault, but he isnt a huge guy he would have been bowled over every time he touched the puck. Overall he was a good player on a great team which had players who were slumping, hence his slump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 So, it's an absolute assumption and utter bull to say that a clicking second unit power play would have helped us in the playoffs? We all know that your on team Gillis, to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 He was in a 33gp slump when he left, he wanted more minutes ahead of sedins and kesler (as a rookie). Our PP as a whole was stinking it up before he left. He is small in stature, not his fault but the bigger more physical team in playoffs would have pounded him as soon as he touched the puck. He was barely a plus player on a great team and a Minus 7 in buffalo in 20gp while counting 8pts, alex sulzer 8pts 15gp and a plus 2 - according to those stats we should have kept sulzer for the playoffs. I am on Team Canucks btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 Exactly his play depended on other players playing well ahead of him,since our whole offensive core didnt produce and his play depended on their play how would he have helped, and before people spout off about how he was clutch on 2nd pp, our pp was in the crapper to and he alone couldnt have brought it back to life, lets face it as sedin said other teams figured the canucks out and now know how to stop them and they didnt change up there game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted May 2, 2012 Share Posted May 2, 2012 Only in Vancouver would they try getting rid of a reigning GM of the year winner and a multiple coach of the year nominee. Don't make the players accountable or anything like that, wouldn't want to rattle their ego's or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share Posted May 2, 2012 It took him a number of games to adjust in Buffalo, and it accounts for much of that -7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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