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Mike Gillis-The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

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In this thread: Emerson Etem is Sidney Crosby. LOL. What a moron.

and also... the Panthers picked Quinton Howden, not Etem.

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god damn it... bring back the minus cdc...

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"1. The Sedins & Steve didn't really click. (How the f*ck can you blame that on Gillis?) Every scout/analyst was saying the Sedins needed a right-handed big body who would go to the net a la Anson Carter to take their game to an elite level."

And the irony is, they are still saying it............ :)

"He never signed Fedoruk, Nolan or Begin. Fedoruk was mostly offered the tryout because he went through a similar tough time as Rick Rypien. If anything GMMG deserves a LOT of respect for trying to help a guy get back on track. 29 other teams didn't even try."

This is the trouble with many of the Canucks fans. They pay lip service to charity, good deeds, Mind check etc but I believe Gillis lives his life by a code of decency due to his own life experience. (something sadly lacking in many on here)

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Steve Bernier trade? Trading an extra 3rd rounder and a 2nd rounder for a guy who just came off 9 point in 17 game finish with the Sabres, was a recent 1st round pick and looked (at the time) to be EVERYTHING the Sedins needed. Unfortunately, two things happened:

1. The Sedins & Steve didn't really click. (How the f*ck can you blame that on Gillis?) Every scout/analyst was saying the Sedins needed a right-handed big body who would go to the net a la Anson Carter to take their game to an elite level.

2. The Blues countered GMMG's move of offersheeting Backes and ruined the contract negotations.

Mats Sundin? Okay. First off, he never even signed for 10 million. He signed for 8.6 million. The bigger contract offer got Mats' attention, but clearly you or I have no idea how negotiations actually went down. The Sedins & Kesler ALL credit Sundin for helping them raise their game to the next level. Kesler's offensive breakout came when he was part of the RPM line (36 points in 41 games), who knows what would have happened without that mentorship? Nevermind the fact the Canucks had some serious cap space to burn regardless.

He offered Ehrhoff a contract. Ehrhoff rejected it. Signing Ehrhoff to the stupid contract Buffalo offered him would have definitely sent the wrong message to players like Hamhuis and Bieksa who are much more important to the team.

Torres went 22 games once without scoring a goal, was the picture of inconsistency and asked for a multi-year contract with almost double the dollar term. F*ck Torres.

He never signed Fedoruk, Nolan or Begin. Fedoruk was mostly offered the tryout because he went through a similar tough time as Rick Rypien. If anything GMMG deserves a LOT of respect for trying to help a guy get back on track. 29 other teams didn't even try.

Pinner was useless because he was injured. Marco Sturm brought in David Booth. Bitz was injured most of the year and was signed as a 13th forward... Mancari was a huge help for the Wolves. Guess what? The AHL exists even if you don't watch it.

Negotiations didn't take a day for the Sedins. It just so happened that on the last day he had to grasp at the last straw. He got them. Who cares about anything else?

I don't know how many times the Ballard trade has to be explained. The Canucks had no left-sided defenseman to fill the hole where Hamhuis eventually got signed to play. Bernier was a cap dump. Grabner had no role on the team. If the Canucks hadn't traded for Ballard, Emerson Etem was NOT going to play top-4 defensive minutes. There weren't many good defenseman available. Luckily, GMMG managed to get Hamhuis and all would have been well. Can he tell the future? Probably not.

Hodgson wasn't better than Kesler. He was put in easier situations. His agent went to the coach and asked for more minutes. You don't need that drama in the lockerroom. No player is more important than the team, just ask David Poile who has been a GM for 30 years..

GMMG didn't treat Linden like crap? Do you not remember retirement night? AV underused Linden, but Linden credits AV as a great coach. So your point is moot. Linden doesn't work in management because he is heavily into real estate.

I am sure GMMG was unaware of Frost's disturbing antics.

Then Bowman should send one to Tallon & Burke should send one to Coates.

The truth is, neither Nonis nor Burke could get the Canucks past the 2nd round with that core. Heck, Nonis could hardly make the playoffs. GMMG took the extra steps in signing good role players (not Isbisters and Ritchies) and hiring better staff (Dave Gagner) as well as unorthodox things like sleep doctors because of the travel in Vancouver.

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Idiotic assessment by the OP. Joined yesterday to evaluate MG. Mike Gillis is the main reason why the Canucks have been very successful the last few years, he has always addressed the needs of the team to become the best overall in the NHL. You're a goof OP, you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. All your pluses came from kids who didn't finish reading the whole post.

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The Booth trade isn't looking great in the present, but will be better for us in the long term which doesn't make sense to me. This Canucks team should be built to win NOW when its core players are hitting their prime.

Samuelsson out-produced Booth in terms of points-per-game and played much better in the playoffs. We shouldn't of traded away a veteran experience and Cup winner for a guy with 0 playoff experience, because it showed. Sure our core went to the Finals last season, but Samuelsson has so much more experience in different situations than anyone on this team and it would have helped the team when down by 2-0: a situation they had never been in before.

The Ballard trade in hindsight is brutal, but at the time seemed like a great thing to do. I was always more of a fan of Grabner than Raymond and could see true star potential in Grabs, but for whatever reason MG didn't - perhaps only Grabner would get us a quality defenceman. D-men are difficult to predict in terms of production when changing scenery, just look at guys like Kaberle, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf etc.

The Hodgson deal seemed like the most bonehead thing to do at the time, so I'm glad MG came out and said Hodgson wanted a trade. I don't care about player-management confidentiality, if that selfish brat wanted out of our great organization after all it did for him, then his true colours need to be shown and MG needs to save himself some dignity for a stupid trade he was forced into. The real problem here isn't the trade, but the fact that he let Hodgson decide he wanted to leave - surely a good GM would have convinced him to stay by showing how he could fit into their plan by slowly replacing Kesler and the Sedins in terms of minutes.

eg. Next season the Sedins are getting older (below a PPG), so play 17 minutes, Kesler plays 18, Hodgson plays 14, Malhotra plays 11.

The season after, Sedins get 15 minutes, Kesler plays 19, Hodgson plays 16, Lapierre (or replacement) gets 10.

The season after, Sedins get 14 minutes, Kesler gets 20, Hodgson gets 18, 4th liner gets 8 (our top-2 lines are peaking)

The season after, Sedins get 14 minutes, Kesler gets 18, Hodgson gets 20, 4th liner gets 8

And suddenly, when Hodgson is most likely to be peaking, he would have been our 1st line center, Kesler probably 2nd liner after being our top scorer for a while and the Sedins are still producing on the 3rd line. THIS is something like what MG should of tried to have sold to Hodgson, because with his age it was very possible to rotate him, Kesler and the Sedins so that the Canucks would have constantly had a player in his prime playing on our top line well.

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1. I doubt Gillis waited until the last day before free agency to trade the Sedins. Signing them has got to be on the good list, especially since he even went to Sweden for a more personal touch/signing for them.

2. Most of his moves are in hindsight now. I mean Ballard. When we got him everyone loved it, but now as he has underperformed (also hasn't been used as he should most nights) the acquistion of him isnt that great.

3. Sundin signing was a good one. Helped develop Kesler into the offensive player he is now. Money was a bit much, but at the end of the day that 8.6M we paid him for has turned into a bargain for how well Kesler has done now.

4. And finally, he has made this team a contender. A SCF appearance, 2 Presidents Trophy, A Selke Trophy, 2 Art Ross Trophy, and more. Yes, you can say these are down to the players but the management are the ones that get the players, keep them and develop them so they can perform like this.

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I don't recall him questioning the Sedins character at all.

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1. I doubt Gillis waited until the last day before free agency to trade the Sedins. Signing them has got to be on the good list, especially since he even went to Sweden for a more personal touch/signing for them.

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Mike Gillis is a WalMart shopper.

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And suddenly, when Hodgson is most likely to be peaking, he would have been our 1st line center, Kesler probably 2nd liner after being our top scorer for a while and the Sedins are still producing on the 3rd line. THIS is something like what MG should of tried to have sold to Hodgson, because with his age it was very possible to rotate him, Kesler and the Sedins so that the Canucks would have constantly had a player in his prime playing on our top line well.

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I agree with what you state.

Cody never publicly asked for a trade.It was a private matter.

Cody never withdrew his services and never said a bad word about the organisation.

If I had a coach that called me out in public I may want out,as well.

If the coach never played me I may want out.

I can't see how it would have worked with AV here.

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Grabner was history. Simply put, he took too long to develop. He was at the play him or trade him point. With the ENTIRE TOP SIX coming off a career year who was Grabner going to beat out of a spot? Nobody. Particularly with his penchant for showing up to camp in poor shape. With him being waiver elligible he was going to be lost FOR NOTHING. Whether Ballard has panned out or not, something is always > nothing.

He was not going to pay Ehrhoff more than the Sedins nor sign him to a 10 year deal. You ask for too much you walk.

Torres is highly overrated here.

I don't recall him questioning the Sedins character at all.

Why should Gillis apologize to Hodgson? His own doctor came up with the same diagnosis. As did his junior teams medical staff AND the highly regarded specialist he went to in the US. It's not like Gillis personally misdiagnosed his back. It was doctors, mostly of his own choosing, that were wrong.

Why should Gillis thank Burke? Every new GM inherits assets from the previous GM. Who the new GM keeps or moves is what makes the team his. There is nobody on this team that Gillis didn't sign or trade for. That makes this entire team his.

The Truth:

You're just another Grabner/Hodgson whiner that just doesn't get it. So you grasp at straws to play the blame game.

Btw, having somebody on your staff doesn't mean you have any knowledge of that persons illegal activities. Serial killers and child mollesters don't typically confide such activity to their bosses.

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I agree with what you state.

Cody never publicly asked for a trade.It was a private matter.

Cody never withdrew his services and never said a bad word about the organisation.

If I had a coach that called me out in public I may want out,as well.

If the coach never played me I may want out.

I can't see how it would have worked with AV here.

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Posted · Hidden by hockeyville88, May 2, 2012 - No reason given

The fact that you comparing Etem to Crosby is just so laughable. Your entire post is discredited because of that. Idiot.

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